[Faith-talk] Christianity in review.

Fri May 16 16:30:17 UTC 2014

Even this has been posted and reposted by our good friend Mustafa and though
it has been discussed, question and examined from the other side of the
coin, we still have it reposted again and for many on the list, nobody will
attempt to respond again only to have it reposted two months from now again.

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Dear all, peace be with you.

Today I would like to inshallah proceed on discussing the concept, the
doctrine, or the mystery of the Trinity.

I have spoke about it many times before.

The further I dive into it, the mysterious it provocatively becomes.

Trinitarianism is a derived concept out of a pagan traditionalism.

Trinitarian apologists are constantly attempting to formulate any form of
disambiguation.

But could Trinitarianism  actually be clarified?

  Let us analyze that proposition then.

Trinitarianism is the somehow belief that God is one, but he somehow reveals
himself into three coequal and coeternal persons.

The Father, the Son, and the Holy spirit.

So God is a triune being, hypostases.

They insist to Contemptibly  portray the divine being in such a blasphemous
manner.

The Christian objection to the concept of monotheism in Islam is rationally
refuted.

I remember that my friend Pastor Bob has posed the misconception that the
concept of God is theoretical in Islam.

Well at this point, I want to enthusiastically address the broad phenomenon
of Christianity which is obsessed with temporally portraying the divine
being into forcible complex.

The dimension here becomes decipherable when they tend to periodically
equate the triune being with other temporal objects.

But let us now strive to critically analyze what they have somehow proposed.

Someone is God, he then has to be transcendent, eminent, omnipotent and
glorious.

In truthfulness and trustworthiness, do you believe in the Creator as your
savior?

I believe that I was asked before to talk about the concepts of
transcendence and eminence of God in Islam.

Well, before I get into that, I may initially define some terms.

We have the word transcendence  which signifys the state of being or
existence above and beyond the limits of material experience.

  Subsequently, it comes the word eminence which signifys the High status
importance owing to mark superiority.

These two rilmes are chronologically pertained to each other.

Can Allah be eminent and transcendent at the same time?

For Christians, God deigned to atone them.

They consider God incarnates  into human flesh a form of bestowing grace.

I constantly constitute my rebuttal by decisively emphasizing that Allah
glory be to Him does not need to come down in order to forgive or to bestow
His grace.

The Christian utterance of God really exasperates me.

  It really does because of its turbulent conception.

Christian apologists are tremendously reluctant to expose its problematic
side.

Does the Trinity stand up to scrutiny?, or it just crumbles within rational
examinations? 

I may instantly glance at another aspect of Christianity, and that is the
concept of good and evil.

Christians asserts that sin is the death of the spiritual perception.

They typically advocate that when Adam and Eve sinned, the spiritual death
has entered into the world.

Well, that sounds quite inconsistent to me.

For how come I would inherit  something I have not witnessed nor I have not
done.  

I just do not see the point here.

I also do not see the point of why God cannot just forgive on his own, and
that he had to redeem someone who is innocent in order to forgive.

Some people here on the faith talk list accused me of insignificant
repetition.

Well excuse me but, I have not got any of my questions answered properly or
convincingly.

Though I furthermore believe that my experience in dealing with Christians
has emphatically proved their vast vairiation in doctrine.

Their doctrines are essentially based on denominational principles, and each
denomination has its own tennets.

So for instance, when it comes to the Bible, we recognize that the Roman
Catholic version consists of 73 books whilst the Protestant version consists
of 66 books.

Who has omitted these 7 books from the Protestant version?, or who added
these seven books to the Roman Catholic Bible?

Nobody knows.

            "And indeed, there is among them a party who distort the
Scripture with their tongues so you may think it is from the Scripture, but
it is not from the Scripture. And they say this is from Allah ," but it is
not from Allah . And they tell lies about Allah and well they know".

The Noble Koran, chapter 3, verse 78.

The translation of the Koranic verse above plainly resembles the current
condition of these translations you possess.

Can you veritably testify that what you possess at the moment represents the
precisely divine speech?

Even the Trinity which you devote your faith to, it used to be there in.

  In one Jhon five verse seven, we can read the following:

"For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and
the Holy Ghost: and these three are one".

It is exactly written like that in the authorized king James version.

But, it does not appear in later English translations.

It is  omitted in the revised standard version of the Bible as well as the
New international version of the Bible, and they are both belong to
Protestant denominations.

On that premiss, we can provokingly implement the Koranic disposal regarding
the present form of the Bible.

The Koran believes in the deliberate alterations of the Bible.

Some people though may think of that as offensive or inappropriate.

       Well if you think so, you can practically examine what the Koran says
about the Bible along with the textual conditions of the current Bible, and
see if they match.

I am not attempting to disgrace what you embrace.

At the same time, the Koran does not denounce the Bible as a revelation from
God.

What the Koran condemns is actually the textual distortion.

By the way, some Christian apologists tell us back that the Koran is
corrupted, altered and distorted.

Great, quite good.

Do you have a biblical reference that somehow supports your proclaimation?

I do not say myself that the current form of the Bible is corrupted.

It is the Koran that tells me so.

When I go to the Bible to critically examine its present formation, I just
find exactly what the Koran foretells.

I comprehend that Pastor Jones has desecrated the Koran out of envy and
detest.

He fallaciously taunted the Koran, and he preposterously considers himself
somehow associated with Jesus Christ peace be upon him.

What a catastrophe.

I really believe that burning  the Koran was made out of hate and envy.

I want to clearly repose the statement which says that Muslims tend to
slander the Bible.

I am not attempting to cause a posting riot or disturbance.

But the buttomline here is that I can definitely speak about the textual
corruption of the Bible, yet the Christian has no valid proposition to try
doing that back to me, just because he does not have a convincing response
to my theological contentions.

If  the Bible does not tell you anything about the Koran, why some Pastors
then tend to somehow criticize its context?

The belief I hold regarding the Bible is primarily based on the Koranic
citations as well as critical examinations of the current text, the current
translations of the Bible.

I have spoken abundantly today, yet I do not bear to cause  disappointment
to anyone.

I apologize if my message unintentionally have caused offence or unintended
discourtesy.

I am held accountable before Allah if I caused any verbal profanity or
offensive remarks.

I constantly would like to commence strident  arguments on theologically
related subjects, and at the same time, I dislike offending people.

Well, that is my senior attitude though.

That is what I have got for the time being.

I am just about to go hangout with some friends.

We are having a Barbecue here.

Come and join us.

  Thank you for reading, I wish you all a pleasant time, and peace be with
you.

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