[Faith-talk] Questioning Our Beliefs

Fri May 16 17:34:31 UTC 2014

you say they're good books. what is it about?is it his biography?
Is it in audio format? I think you all mean lea
who is a pastor. I might have even heard him on radio although I usually 
listen to Charles Stanley or  David Jermiah.

-----Original Message----- 
From: Poppa Bear via Faith-talk
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2014 12:09 PM
To: 'Andrew' ; 'Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion'
Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Questioning Our Beliefs

Those are some pretty good books and they do make some good points about
historical events, address philosophical questions, and do help to clarify
some things that at first glance  to some could seem like they could be
discrepancies within some scriptures or passages which are just plain hard
to understand. For each of us, it will be the perfect time and place to meet
Christ and it will take the prompting and stirring of His Spirit in us, and
along that path, books and talks can play a part in oiling the skids, but
for all of us, it is in His magnificent will and tender mercies that a
person will come before the Savior and long for his gift of real life and
forgiveness.

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Sent: Friday, May 16, 2014 7:54 AM
To: justin williams; Faith-talk, for the discussion of faith and religion
Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Questioning Our Beliefs

Hi  not sure if you know who lee stroble  is he was a reporter  long time or
go or is or was a pastor he used to be an athioust but anyway you could read
his books if you wish there is one called case for christ case for easter
and few others. he did a deep search and became a christian as result.  i
assume you are totally blind you might be able to get them in an excessible
format.
On 5/16/14, justin williams via Faith-talk <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> And please do nnot try to prove the bible with the bible; that does
> not work, unless you have faith.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Faith-talk [mailto:faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> Brandon Olivares via Faith-talk
> Sent: Friday, May 16, 2014 10:53 AM
> To: Faith-talk, for the discussion of faith and religion
> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Questioning Our Beliefs
>
> Respectfully, I do not think it is possible to prove the Bible is true.
> It's
> really not even possible to prove that God exists. That is why there
> is something called faith. :) On May 16, 2014, at 10:22 AM, Andrew
> <andrewjedg at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> reason i flew off like i did was because the way you put it seemed
>> like you were targeting all christians even if you did not use the
>> word all but that is what it seemed anyway. the bible is more than
>> just a book. i could prove that it is more than just a book yes men
>> wrote the bible but  god gave them the words on which to say and
>> scripture was god breathed.
>>
>> On 5/16/14, Brandon Olivares via Faith-talk <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>>> Andrew,
>>>
>>> I never said all Christians were bad. My wife Christine is Christian
>>> and she's certainly not bad, and indeed very accepting of my path.
>>>
>>> Truth is the way, yes precisely. But to me, not necessarily Jesus,
>>> and for me the Bible does not prove that. It is just a book, no more.
>>> But I think it may be best to agree to disagree, unless you are
>>> interested in continuing this. I have nothing to defend nor do I
>>> wish to convert you nor anyone else.
>>>
>>> Brandon
>>> On May 16, 2014, at 10:14 AM, Andrew <andrewjedg at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> being a christian is not a religion it is about having a relationship
>>>> with jesus  i don't agree that it is a religion.   and brandon not all
>>>> christians  are not bad.  that said nobody is perfect  but that does
>>>> not mean all christians are bad.   we all screw up and make mistakes
>>>> but does not make all christians terrible to be around that may be
>>>> your experience yes but  still not all christians are bad.   besides
>>>> the bible says the  truth is the way truth and the life and the
>>>> bible proves that jesus really excisted and he  is the only way
>>>> truth and life.  and i believe we are in the last days and that
>>>> satan is doing a good job at deceiving many  in the world today.
>>>>
>>>> On 5/16/14, Brandon Olivares via Faith-talk <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> I would not call persecution a few people disagreeing with you on
>>>>> a mailing list. :) On May 16, 2014, at 8:03 AM, Maureen Pranghofer
>>>>> via Faith-talk <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> And we are supposed to be questioned persecuted on the outside
>>>>>> the Bible predicts it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message----- From: sheila via Faith-talk
>>>>>> Sent: Friday, May 16, 2014 2:31 AM
>>>>>> To: justin williams ; Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and
>>>>>> religion
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Questioning Our Beliefs
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't believe this statement is fair. It's okay if others
>>>>>> espouse there views but we as christians shouldn't do that no way
>>>>>> is that correct. anyone can and should be able to explain beliefs
>>>>>> including those of us that are Christians.
>>>>>> On 5/15/2014 3:23 PM, justin williams via Faith-talk wrote:
>>>>>>> Are you folks arguing or something; It sounds like Brandon tried
>>>>>>> to explain his belief system on a list which was supposed to be
>>>>>>> one shared by all faiths. The Christians have expressed their
>>>>>>> faith over and over, slapped each other on the back and a mened
>>>>>>> ever sense I've been on this list.
>>>>>>> Oh,
>>>>>>> and you have also piled onto anyone else who is not saying the
>>>>>>> exact same things you espouse.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: Faith-talk [mailto:faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>>> Behalf Of Poppa Bear via Faith-talk
>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2014 5:10 PM
>>>>>>> To: 'Brandon Olivares'; 'Faith-talk, for the discussion of faith
>>>>>>> and religion'
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Questioning Our Beliefs
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Some of this logic cuts itself off at the feet and only goes so far.
>>>>>>> There
>>>>>>> is a story about an  Indian man who argued that we were all
>>>>>>> nothing as he taught a body of seekers, his argument was quite
>>>>>>> convincing. After the discussion when he went out and walked
>>>>>>> across a field a bull started to charge him and he started to
>>>>>>> run. One of the people at his talk yelled to him, "You don't
>>>>>>> need to run, the bull is really not there and pain is only in
>>>>>>> your mind." That is a belief than can go no further than the
>>>>>>> mind in my opinion, because once we step into the real world, we
>>>>>>> are faced with choices that we put our minds to almost every minute.
>>>>>>> If you said, "I need to go to the bathroom", and I said, that is
>>>>>>> simply a feeling that is not real, then you may think that this
>>>>>>> philosophy has felled in one small point. But if it works for
>>>>>>> you, then only you know how it fits your way of thinking and if
>>>>>>> it is an honest approach to your daily activity, or if you have
>>>>>>> to separate your beliefs from your real life.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: Faith-talk [mailto:faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>>> Behalf Of Brandon Olivares via Faith-talk
>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2014 12:10 PM
>>>>>>> To: Linda Mentink; Faith-talk, for the discussion of faith and
>>>>>>> religion
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Questioning Our Beliefs
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I love to question. In my experience, nothing is true.
>>>>>>> On May 15, 2014, at 3:53 PM, Linda Mentink via Faith-talk
>>>>>>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And God says in His Word, the Bible, that he resisteth the
>>>>>>>> proud, but
>>>>>>> gives grace to the humble. Of course, it's fine to question many
>>>>>>> things, but not the Bible and your faith in God, if you have
>>>>>>> such. If you don't, that's good reason to question your beliefs.
>>>>>>>> Blessings,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Linda
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> At 02:37 PM 5/15/2014, you wrote:
>>>>>>>>> I think that questions can be good, but as a father of 7, I do
>>>>>>>>> find that when my children are able to listen without
>>>>>>>>> questioning everything I ask
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>> them it brings a trust, an intimacy that is sometimes tattered
>>>>>>>>> by the
>>>>>>> twenty
>>>>>>>>> questions. As for me, being married, I will often do something
>>>>>>>>> for my
>>>>>>> wife
>>>>>>>>> simply because she asks me, I may think that it is silly, may
>>>>>>>>> want to question her reasons, needs and all that, but simply
>>>>>>>>> doing, or obeying
>>>>>>> does
>>>>>>>>> more to create the bond of love and trust that I think a
>>>>>>>>> marriage is
>>>>>>> built
>>>>>>>>> on than being a analytical owl about everything. Also, we will
>>>>>>>>> often
>>>>>>> pride
>>>>>>>>> ourselves on asking questions about something like faith,
>>>>>>>>> something that demands a real commitment from us, but we will
>>>>>>>>> often swallow whole the garbage in our culture, imitating much
>>>>>>>>> of it, desiring much of it, or prematurely condemning it.
>>>>>>>>> Interesting stuff.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>> From: Faith-talk [mailto:faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>>>>> Behalf Of Kirt via Faith-talk
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2014 11:26 AM
>>>>>>>>> To: sheila; Faith-talk, for the discussion of faith and
>>>>>>>>> religion
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Questioning Our Beliefs
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> :-) I, for one, take pride in questioning everything. Even my
>>>>>>>>> questions.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On May 15, 2014, at 12:38 PM, sheila via Faith-talk
>>>>>>>>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> hi Linda I am in complete agreement and am not interested in
>>>>>>> questioning
>>>>>>>>> my beliefs. They are based on the  word of god.
>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/15/2014 10:15 AM, Linda Mentink via Faith-talk wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I do not question my beliefs, not since Christ came to live
>>>>>>>>>>> in
> me.
>>>>>>>>>>> The
>>>>>>>>> Bible is my Guide for life. I receive many things from it,
>>>>>>>>> including comfort, wisdom, assurance that I will spend
>>>>>>>>> eternity in heaven, and knowledge of the Triune God.
>>>>>>>>>>> Those who say they have accepted Christ as their personal
>>>>>>>>>>> Saviour, and
>>>>>>>>> still continue to lie, cheat and steal, put too much emphasis
>>>>>>>>> on what
>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>>> did. They have not repented of these sins, and, consequently,
>>>>>>>>> their conversion is not real.
>>>>>>>>>>> True Christians abhor sin, and, with God's help, do their
>>>>>>>>>>> best to live
>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>> different life than they did before Christ came to live in them.
>>>>>>>>> When
>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>>> do sin, which all do, they are sorry, and ask God's
>>>>>>>>> forgiveness; and, if necessary, and they have sinned against
>>>>>>>>> someone, they ask forgiveness of that person. Many who think
>>>>>>>>> they are Christians will be surprised when
>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>>> meet God, and are turned away from Him to spend eternity in
>>>>>>>>> hell with
>>>>>>> Satan
>>>>>>>>> and his demons.
>>>>>>>>>>> Christianity has been around since the beginning of creation.
>>>>>>>>>>> Those
>>>>>>> who
>>>>>>>>> take God at His Word, and accept the free grace and
>>>>>>>>> forgiveness He
>>>>>>> offers,
>>>>>>>>> will spend their life after earthly death in eternity in
>>>>>>>>> Heaven with Him.
>>>>>>>>> Eastern religions and cults are man-made, and were made up not
>>>>>>>>> that long
>>>>>>> ago
>>>>>>>>> by people who rejected God, didn't know about Him, or wanted
>>>>>>>>> to do things their own way--which, I guess, is the same as
>>>>>>>>> rejecting
> God.
>>>>>>>>>>> I am sad for those who believe such nonsense, because their
>>>>>>>>>>> end, no
>>>>>>>>> matter what they say, will be condemnation to the lake of
>>>>>>>>> fire, where no relief will be had.
>>>>>>>>>>> I don't mean to be harsh or offensive, but that's what the
>>>>>>>>>>> Bible says
>>>>>>>>> concerning them, and I believe the Bible to be true. It is the
>>>>>>>>> inspired
>>>>>>> Word
>>>>>>>>> of God. All it says will come to pass, if it hasn't already.
>>>>>>>>>>> I will not question my beliefs, but will continue to stand
>>>>>>>>>>> on what I
>>>>>>> know
>>>>>>>>> to be true in the Bible.
>>>>>>>>>>> Blessings,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Linda
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
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