[Faith-talk] Questioning Our Beliefs

Sun May 18 15:29:49 UTC 2014

Hi Brandon
Oh it certainly isn't the same as being thrown in jail or tortured or being 
disowned by your family which is happening a great deal in other parts of 
the world.  I was trying to point out to those on the list who said having 
someone disagree with them as being unfair.  We live in a world where there 
are tons of different opinions and actually as Christians I have to say most 
of us have failed miserably in following the Christ in that we tend to 
judge, call names or try and manipulate others to be like us.  I for one 
don't want any part of that and I appreciate you being bold enough to share 
your beliefs on this list. Thank you.
Maureen

-----Original Message----- 
From: Brandon Olivares via Faith-talk
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2014 9:07 AM
To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Questioning Our Beliefs

I would not call persecution a few people disagreeing with you on a mailing 
list. :)
On May 16, 2014, at 8:03 AM, Maureen Pranghofer via Faith-talk 
<faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> And we are supposed to be questioned persecuted on the outside the Bible 
> predicts it.
>
> -----Original Message----- From: sheila via Faith-talk
> Sent: Friday, May 16, 2014 2:31 AM
> To: justin williams ; Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Questioning Our Beliefs
>
> I don't believe this statement is fair. It's okay if others espouse
> there views but we as christians shouldn't do that no way is that
> correct. anyone can and should be able to explain beliefs including
> those of us that are Christians.
> On 5/15/2014 3:23 PM, justin williams via Faith-talk wrote:
>> Are you folks arguing or something; It sounds like Brandon tried to 
>> explain
>> his belief system on a list which was supposed to be one shared by all
>> faiths. The Christians have expressed their faith over and over,  slapped
>> each other on the back and a mened ever sense I've been on this list. 
>> Oh,
>> and you have also piled onto anyone else who is not saying the exact same
>> things you espouse.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Faith-talk [mailto:faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of 
>> Poppa
>> Bear via Faith-talk
>> Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2014 5:10 PM
>> To: 'Brandon Olivares'; 'Faith-talk, for the discussion of faith and
>> religion'
>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Questioning Our Beliefs
>>
>> Some of this logic cuts itself off at the feet and only goes so far. 
>> There
>> is a story about an  Indian man who argued that we were all nothing as he
>> taught a body of seekers, his argument was quite convincing. After the
>> discussion when he went out and walked across a field a bull started to
>> charge him and he started to run. One of the people at his talk yelled to
>> him, "You don't need to run, the bull is really not there and pain is 
>> only
>> in your mind." That is a belief than can go no further than the mind in 
>> my
>> opinion, because once we step into the real world, we are faced with 
>> choices
>> that we put our minds to almost every minute. If you said, "I need to go 
>> to
>> the bathroom", and I said, that is simply a feeling that is not real, 
>> then
>> you may think that this philosophy has felled in one small point. But if 
>> it
>> works for you, then only you know how it fits your way of thinking and if 
>> it
>> is an honest approach to your daily activity, or if you have to separate
>> your beliefs from your real life.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Faith-talk [mailto:faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of 
>> Brandon
>> Olivares via Faith-talk
>> Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2014 12:10 PM
>> To: Linda Mentink; Faith-talk, for the discussion of faith and religion
>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Questioning Our Beliefs
>>
>> I love to question. In my experience, nothing is true.
>> On May 15, 2014, at 3:53 PM, Linda Mentink via Faith-talk
>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>>> And God says in His Word, the Bible, that he resisteth the proud, but
>> gives grace to the humble. Of course, it's fine to question many things, 
>> but
>> not the Bible and your faith in God, if you have such. If you don't, 
>> that's
>> good reason to question your beliefs.
>>> Blessings,
>>>
>>> Linda
>>>
>>> At 02:37 PM 5/15/2014, you wrote:
>>>> I think that questions can be good, but as a father of 7, I do find
>>>> that when my children are able to listen without questioning
>>>> everything I ask
>> of
>>>> them it brings a trust, an intimacy that is sometimes tattered by the
>> twenty
>>>> questions. As for me, being married, I will often do something for my
>> wife
>>>> simply because she asks me, I may think that it is silly, may want to
>>>> question her reasons, needs and all that, but simply doing, or
>>>> obeying
>> does
>>>> more to create the bond of love and trust that I think a marriage is
>> built
>>>> on than being a analytical owl about everything. Also, we will often
>> pride
>>>> ourselves on asking questions about something like faith, something
>>>> that demands a real commitment from us, but we will often swallow
>>>> whole the garbage in our culture, imitating much of it, desiring much
>>>> of it, or prematurely condemning it. Interesting stuff.
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Faith-talk [mailto:faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>>>> Kirt via Faith-talk
>>>> Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2014 11:26 AM
>>>> To: sheila; Faith-talk, for the discussion of faith and religion
>>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Questioning Our Beliefs
>>>>
>>>> :-) I, for one, take pride in questioning everything. Even my 
>>>> questions.
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>>> On May 15, 2014, at 12:38 PM, sheila via Faith-talk
>>>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>> hi Linda I am in complete agreement and am not interested in
>> questioning
>>>> my beliefs. They are based on the  word of god.
>>>>>> On 5/15/2014 10:15 AM, Linda Mentink via Faith-talk wrote:
>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I do not question my beliefs, not since Christ came to live in me.
>>>>>> The
>>>> Bible is my Guide for life. I receive many things from it, including
>>>> comfort, wisdom, assurance that I will spend eternity in heaven, and
>>>> knowledge of the Triune God.
>>>>>> Those who say they have accepted Christ as their personal Saviour,
>>>>>> and
>>>> still continue to lie, cheat and steal, put too much emphasis on what
>> they
>>>> did. They have not repented of these sins, and, consequently, their
>>>> conversion is not real.
>>>>>> True Christians abhor sin, and, with God's help, do their best to
>>>>>> live
>> a
>>>> different life than they did before Christ came to live in them. When
>> they
>>>> do sin, which all do, they are sorry, and ask God's forgiveness; and,
>>>> if necessary, and they have sinned against someone, they ask
>>>> forgiveness of that person. Many who think they are Christians will
>>>> be surprised when
>> they
>>>> meet God, and are turned away from Him to spend eternity in hell with
>> Satan
>>>> and his demons.
>>>>>> Christianity has been around since the beginning of creation.
>>>>>> Those
>> who
>>>> take God at His Word, and accept the free grace and forgiveness He
>> offers,
>>>> will spend their life after earthly death in eternity in Heaven with 
>>>> Him.
>>>> Eastern religions and cults are man-made, and were made up not that
>>>> long
>> ago
>>>> by people who rejected God, didn't know about Him, or wanted to do
>>>> things their own way--which, I guess, is the same as rejecting God.
>>>>>> I am sad for those who believe such nonsense, because their end,
>>>>>> no
>>>> matter what they say, will be condemnation to the lake of fire, where
>>>> no relief will be had.
>>>>>> I don't mean to be harsh or offensive, but that's what the Bible
>>>>>> says
>>>> concerning them, and I believe the Bible to be true. It is the
>>>> inspired
>> Word
>>>> of God. All it says will come to pass, if it hasn't already.
>>>>>> I will not question my beliefs, but will continue to stand on what
>>>>>> I
>> know
>>>> to be true in the Bible.
>>>>>> Blessings,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Linda
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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