[Faith-talk] Daily Thought for Tuesday, May 20, 2014

Wed May 21 16:18:57 UTC 2014

I was very lucky because students were allowed to do this kind of thing in my public school. We did have a Christian group, but then it stops just because there weren't enough people to run it. I have a friend who went to a private school, and it was worse than the public school because there is actually more problems with drinking and things like that. It was an all girls school, and people were not very nice to her at all. They were not very nice to anybody for that matter. And I have heard of other religions being persecuted. I don't remember what it was, but there was something on the news about someone not being able to wear symbol.

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> On May 21, 2014, at 11:42 AM, "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
> 
> hi,
> but no one said the school should be preaching. What linda said and others said was God was taken out of schools.
> You often cannot have student led prayer or students saying God in their speeches. sometimes there's objections to christians gathering after school for bible study. As linda said,
> it does not happen to other religious groups. its like christianity is quashed in our schools.
> I think our schools have a moment of silence now where students can pray and that is nice. But I think students should be allowed to lead public prayers at pep rallies and events if they want to.
> 
> As to religious vs not religious schools there are pros and cons to both and I'd write a novel explaining my feelings.
> But if I have kids and can afford it, they'll go to a private school. just too much issues in public school now like overcrowding, drugs, smoking, teen pregnancy, and well lack of respect for teachers; I went to a diverse public school wich has rigorous standards but  still has its issues although we are still well known for high academic standards.
> 
> Ashley
> 
> -----Original Message----- From: Christine A. Olivares via Faith-talk
> Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2014 10:23 AM
> To: sheila ; Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Daily Thought for Tuesday, May 20, 2014
> 
> I am a Christian, and I believe that it is our responsibility in our hearts to do is we need to do. It is not the public schools responsibility to preach Christianity. I went to public school, and I was very blessed. Once I broke down and my teacher actually pray for me right there. That doesn't happen too often, but it did with me. I am actually happy I went to public school because I learned about all different kinds of religions personalities   that  would not learn in the Catholic school. I believe Christian schools can be worse because people are more judgmental, we as Christians need to learn about all different religions we can help each and every person come back to God.
> 
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>> On May 20, 2014, at 11:00 PM, sheila via Faith-talk <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> I agree on this one. I got to attend a christian high school and I learned firsthand that you as a christian need to keep your eyes and heart focused on Jesus the author and finisher of our faith instead of an institution such as a school or government to solve our problems as christians.
>> we hall share in the responsibility of the changes that have come in our country we thoought the isolation policy would work but it hasn't
>>> On 5/20/2014 8:32 PM, Greg Aikens via Faith-talk wrote:
>>> As a deeply committed Christian, I have to confess that I am turned off by much of what is said bemoaning the fact that “God” has been taken out of schools. God lives in our hearts and the hearts of our children. He is still in our schools to the extent that those who follow him still work in and attend our schools.
>>> 
>>> If the Church is depending on the public school system to provide instruction in morality, then she is being lazy and shirking her responsibility. In reality, I think the American Church got spoiled by over 100 years of being a majority without any major competition in the United States. When we point our fingers at rising rates of school violence or teen pregnancy, I feel like we are washing our hands of the problem and blaming others instead of finding a solution. I know we may not really take it that far, but on some level I believe some people are saying that. Our hearts should be broken, not accusing.
>>> 
>>> But I believe that our primary means to address issues of morality is by living out the transformed and abundant life that comes from a deep relationship with God. When we depend on institutions and/or legislation to carry our message or bring about change in people, we run the risk of promoting law without relationship.
>>> 
>>> Best,
>>> Greg
>>> 
>>>> On May 20, 2014, at 5:49 PM, Brandon Olivares via Faith-talk <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Statistics wouldn’t say much, as correlation does not imply causation. I knew many people in my public school who were perfectly functional human beings, and many who went to Catholic school who did not act very well.
>>>> 
>>>> --
>>>> Brandon
>>>> 
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>>>>> On May 20, 2014, at 5:37 PM, Poppa Bear <heavens4real at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> I wonder if any of the statistics are true about teen pregnancy, school
>>>>> violence and teen drop out being higher with the absence of the Bible and
>>>>> prayer in school. Is there any correlation to you? When what feels good
>>>>> becomes truth for many children then I think that we get a lot of the self
>>>>> destructive actions and self perceptions that we see as a spreading social
>>>>> epidemic with the younger generation. My children go to a school where they
>>>>> pray daily and their teachers pray with them over all kinds of issues, they
>>>>> receive hugs and are able to be taught the value of modesty, how to honor
>>>>> God with your thoughts and body, what God says about marriage, family,
>>>>> hatred and all kinds of things that none of my other five children were ever
>>>>> exposed to in the public school system. My two girls in a Christian school
>>>>> do anything they can to not miss school and that was not the case with my
>>>>> children in public school. The same is for many of the neighbor children in
>>>>> public school, they often complain about going and have very little ideas
>>>>> about their own value as people and that they were created by a loving God
>>>>> who has a plan for their life.
>>>>> 
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Faith-talk [mailto:faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Brandon
>>>>> Olivares via Faith-talk
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2014 12:27 PM
>>>>> To: Paul; Faith-talk, for the discussion of faith and religion
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Daily Thought for Tuesday, May 20, 2014
>>>>> 
>>>>> I wonder if we may have a respectful discussion about whether what this
>>>>> article says is truly correct. IMO, "God" hasn't been taken out of schools,
>>>>> Christianity has. And to me this is a good thing, because we live in a free
>>>>> nation where people are free to practice whatever religion they desire. I
>>>>> think this is the beauty of our nation. We don't live in the middle east
>>>>> where practicing a different religion could get you killed.
>>>>> 
>>>>> We are all free to worship or believe as we like, and I think that is
>>>>> beautiful. In this one country we have Christians, Jews, Muslims, Atheists,
>>>>> New-Agers and many others besides. All people should feel comfortable, not
>>>>> like this country is only for Christians, which it definitely is not.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Just my opinion.
>>>>> 
>>>>> --
>>>>> Brandon
>>>>> 
>>>>> Blind Adventures: Read about my adventures as a blind person
>>>>> 
>>>>> Facebook: Brandon.Olivares
>>>>> Twitter: @devbanana
>>>>> 
>>>>> On May 20, 2014, at 4:15 PM, Paul via Faith-talk <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hello and good day to you all out there.  I hope that, by God's matchless
>>>>> grace and His providential care, that you are all doing well today.
>>>>>> In this article the author is "preaching to the choir," so to speak, but
>>>>> perhaps you can pass it along to someone who doesn't know Christ, whether
>>>>> that individual be a relative, personal friend or acquaintance.  Even though
>>>>> we hear about leading someone to Christ, it is the work of the Holy Spirit
>>>>> that actually causes one to accept Him as their personal Lord and Savior.
>>>>> The author's name is not given, but this contribution is from a publication
>>>>> called "The Tract League." The article in question is entitled "Blessed Is
>>>>> The Nation," rendered as follows:
>>>>>> God isn't welcome in our public schools these days--not until our next
>>>>> crisis.
>>>>>> Trouble does that to people.  When security or health is threatened, we
>>>>> turn to God for help.
>>>>>> When good times return, we ignore God.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The Bible says this pattern has been in place ever since people lived. We
>>>>> avoid God until we are in trouble.  The Bible has a word for that. It's
>>>>> called sin.
>>>>>> We ignore God and His commandments at our peril.  Most of the nation's
>>>>> problems are rooted in our choice to ignore God and His desires and how we
>>>>> should live.
>>>>>> The Bible says that God is going to have the last word on our nation. He
>>>>> will destroy us if we continue in our sin.  The Bible clearly shows that He
>>>>> has done it to many other nations throughout history.
>>>>>> God longs for us to repent, to turn from our selfishness, and to follow
>>>>> Him in obedience.  This is the path to blessing.
>>>>>> When we seek Him in good times and bad, He never turns away.  In His
>>>>> mercy, He has provided a solution to our personal and national sin.  He sent
>>>>> His only Son, Jesus, to take the judgment for our sin upon Himself so that
>>>>> everyone who repents and trusts in Him has his sins washed clean.
>>>>>> When we put our trust in God, we learn how to govern ourselves, our
>>>>> families, and our nation.  We learn what it is to be blessed.  The Bible
>>>>> says:  "Blessed is the nation whose God is the Lord" (Psalm 33:12).
>>>>>> If you are ready to submit to God's desires for you and your family, use
>>>>> this prayer to tell Him.
>>>>>> "Dear God, forgive me and forgive our nation for trying to live without
>>>>> You.  I accept and believe that Your Son, Jesus Christ, paid the penalty for
>>>>> all my sins.  I repent of my sins and ask that You will help me to follow
>>>>> Your desires for personal, family, and national life. Amen."
>>>>>> If you want to learn more about God's desires for you, read the Gospel of
>>>>> John, talk to a Christian, and visit a Bible-teaching church.  You will be
>>>>> warmly welcomed.
>>>>>> And there you have this article, short and elementary as it is.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The author mentioned that God will destroy nations.  A graphic
>>>>> illustration of this in modern times took place on October 17, 1994. While
>>>>> God's direct intervention did not destroy a nation outright, He made it very
>>>>> plain that the activity taking place in a particular area of the world, and
>>>>> in particular the U.S., was not acceptable to Him.  For on that day, at
>>>>> approximately 5:30 a.m. local time, an earthquake struck parts of southern
>>>>> California, particularly centering on three communities, only two of which I
>>>>> can remember:  Northridge and Canoga Park.  Many people thought this was a
>>>>> tragedy until it was brought out in the "Orange County Register," the main
>>>>> publication in this area, that these three communities had the main
>>>>> publishing companies for pornographic material.  Did the earthquake stamp it
>>>>> out altogether? By no means; in fact I wouldn't be surprised if those
>>>>> publishers weren't back in business before too long a time delay.  But the
>>>>> fact remained that, with God showing His displeasure in the form of an
>>>>> earthquake, that He did not approve of such activity.  So, if it could
>>>>> happen there it could happen anywhere.
>>>>>> Before I close for today, here is the answer to Sunday's Bible game. It
>>>>> was Hosea 14.  If you still have the poem in your inbox, I would suggest
>>>>> that you read Hosea 14 alongside the poem and see how well both of them
>>>>> harmonize.
>>>>>> And now may the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob just keep us safe,
>>>>>> individually and collectively, in these last days in which we live.
>>>>>> Lord willing, tomorrow there will be another Daily Thought message for
>>>>>> you.  Your Christian friend and brother, Paul
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