[Faith-talk] halow wean part one of two

Sun Oct 19 02:03:28 UTC 2014

Christine,
I agree with you. I know the history is often misquoted.
I'd have to say the same folks against halloween should be against Christmas 
trees on Christmas. After all, the symbol is not inherrantly christian, but 
rather it is pagan.

Ashley

-----Original Message----- 
From: Christine Olivares via Faith-talk
Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2014 8:09 PM
To: Brandon Anthony Olivares ; Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and 
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Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] halow wean part one of two

I would love to understand why on Earth Satan can come in just because you 
are dressed up as a witch? I mean, seriously, a witch ’s costume is freakin 
fabric, not a portal!

I used to listen to a Christian radio show and they encouraged 
trick-or-treating. Actually, many get the history of halloween incorrect. It 
means All Hallows Eve, and it used to be people would trick each other just 
for fun. This is what this Christian show taught, and it was on the Family 
Life Network, so very reputable. I think we should focus on the having fun 
and not Satan. Our fear of satan is enough to bring him right to your doors.
> On Oct 18, 2014, at 7:57 PM, Brandon A. Olivares via Faith-talk 
> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> Then perhaps you shouldn’t celebrate Easter, either, since that, too, was 
> originally a Pagan fertility ritual. And perhaps you shouldn’t erect 
> Christmas trees, since the Pagans started that tradition, too. And you 
> definitely shouldn’t celebrate Christ’s birth on December 25, because it 
> was only placed on that date because of its proximity to the winter 
> solstice. We really have no idea when he was born, *if* he was born at 
> all.
>
> The truth is, Christianity started out as a patchwork of Pagan traditions, 
> and any Christian historian will readily admit this. The Church brought in 
> all sorts of Pagan traditions, in order to more easily convert the Pagans 
> in the Roman empire. They didn’t believe, as many fundamentalist 
> Christians do today, that just because a tradition started out as pagan, 
> meant that it was somehow inherently evil.
>
>> On Oct 18, 2014, at 6:24 PM, Andrew via Faith-talk <faith-talk at nfbnet.org 
>> <mailto:faith-talk at nfbnet.org>> wrote:
>>
>> Halloween - Part 1 of 2
>>
>> Should Christians celebrate Halloween? No! What the world will
>> celebrate on October 31 is not anything that a Christian should be
>> part of. The origin of what we know of as Halloween began in 5th
>> century B.C., Celtic Ireland as a holiday marking the end of summer on
>> October 31 known as Samhein (sow-en).
>>
>> The pagan Celts believed on that day, the disembodied spirits of all
>> those who had died throughout the preceding year would come back in
>> search of living bodies to possess for the next year. It was believed
>> to be their only hope for the afterlife. The Celts believed all laws
>> of space and time were suspended during this time, allowing the spirit
>> world to intermingle with the living.
>>
>> Naturally, the still living did not want to be possessed. So on the
>> night of October 31, villagers would extinguish the fires in their
>> homes, to make them cold and undesirable. They would then dress up in
>> all manner of ghoulish costumes and noisily paraded around the
>> neighborhood, being as destructive as possible in order to frighten
>> away spirits looking for bodies to possess.
>>
>> The Romans adopted the Celtic practices as their own. But in the
>> first century A.D., Samhain was assimilated into celebrations of some
>> of the other Roman traditions that took place in October, such as
>> their day to honor Pomona, the Roman goddess of fruit and trees. The
>> symbol of Pomona is the apple, which might explain the origin of our
>> modern tradition of bobbing for apples on Halloween. The thrust of the
>> practices also changed over time to become more ritualized. As belief
>> in spirit possession waned, the practice of dressing up like
>> hobgoblins, ghosts, and witches took on a more ceremonial role.
>>
>> The custom of Halloween was brought to America in the 1840's by Irish
>> immigrants fleeing their country's potato famine. At that time, the
>> favorite pranks in New England included tipping over outhouses and
>> unhinging fence gates.
>>
>> Since the eighth century, the Catholic Church has celebrated All
>> Saints' Day on November 1 to celebrate the known and unknown Saints
>> whom the Church has canonized. The night before the celebration of All
>> Saint's Day is known as All Hallow's Eve ("Hallows" mean "saints" both
>> mean "holy ones" as in "Hallowed be thy name"). So, Halloween means
>> "the evening before All Saint's Day."
>>
>> You can see from the pagan roots of Halloween why this has become the
>> most important day to those who worship satan or choose to live in
>> rebellion to God and the TRUTH of His Word. There is NOTHING about
>> this day that honors God, remembers God, or has anything to do at all
>> with God. It is, quite honestly, a celebration of those who oppose God
>> and all that He stands for. THIS is why it's a day Christians should
>> NOT celebrate nor be part of in any way.
>>
>> I love you and care about you so much. Tomorrow, Part Two of this
>> series is titled, "A Christian's Response to Halloween." Do we hide in
>> our homes with the lights off? Do we all go to church and hide in the
>> basement so the devil doesn't get us? What exactly should a Christian
>> be doing on Halloween? I will give you a hint. It will be a bold call
>> to action. I can think of no better night to see souls won for Christ
>> than on Halloween.
>>
>> DO NOT MISS PART TWO TOMORROW AS WE CELEBRATE A NEW HOLIDAY ON
>> OCTOBER 31ST THAT WILL HONOR JESUS CHRIST, THE KING OF KINGS, AND LORD
>> OF LORDS!!!
>>
>> In His love and service, Your friend and brother in Christ,
>>
>> Bill Keller
>>
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