[Faith-talk] halow wean part one of two

Sun Oct 19 02:33:44 UTC 2014

You mean, when only Christians were sending messages back and fourth?

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From: Faith-talk [mailto:faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Donna Elliott via Faith-talk
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Does anyone else miss when this list was about faith rather than disagreements?  Donna

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> On Oct 18, 2014, at 10:23 PM, Brandon A. Olivares via Faith-talk <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Not sure what you mean by “supposed”. The Christmas tree is a Pagan symbol. No debating that. What you think about that fact is the only question.
> 
>> On Oct 18, 2014, at 9:56 PM, qubit via Faith-talk <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Excuse me, but you sound like the people who quote some supposed 
>> history of the Christmas tree as a pagan symbol.  I think while some 
>> people gravitate toward ghoulish costumes on halloween, I thinkthe 
>> majority dress up like anything or anyone they want just for 
>> something entertaining to do.  For example, I saw a tv reporter ask a 
>> policeman in NY whose idea it was for him to dress up like a policeman for halloween...He laughed and said my boss".
>> I had a friend dress like a giant crayon.  I I have dressed like a 
>> lot of things just for fun.
>> I am not a satan worshipper.  I think that is kind of creepy.  But 
>> lots of Christians have fun dressing up and eating treats on 
>> halloween.  The only complaint I have is that it has the word 
>> "hallow" in the word, which implies something holy, which it is not.
>> Is someone going to bite me for having pleasant childhood memories of 
>> halloween?
>> --le
>> 
>> 
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Andrew via Faith-talk" <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> To: "Faith-talk" <Faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2014 5:24 PM
>> Subject: [Faith-talk] halow wean part one of two
>> 
>> 
>> Halloween - Part 1 of 2
>> 
>> Should Christians celebrate Halloween? No! What the world will 
>> celebrate on October 31 is not anything that a Christian should be 
>> part of. The origin of what we know of as Halloween began in 5th 
>> century B.C., Celtic Ireland as a holiday marking the end of summer 
>> on October 31 known as Samhein (sow-en).
>> 
>> The pagan Celts believed on that day, the disembodied spirits of all 
>> those who had died throughout the preceding year would come back in 
>> search of living bodies to possess for the next year. It was believed 
>> to be their only hope for the afterlife. The Celts believed all laws 
>> of space and time were suspended during this time, allowing the 
>> spirit world to intermingle with the living.
>> 
>> Naturally, the still living did not want to be possessed. So on the 
>> night of October 31, villagers would extinguish the fires in their 
>> homes, to make them cold and undesirable. They would then dress up in 
>> all manner of ghoulish costumes and noisily paraded around the 
>> neighborhood, being as destructive as possible in order to frighten 
>> away spirits looking for bodies to possess.
>> 
>> The Romans adopted the Celtic practices as their own. But in the 
>> first century A.D., Samhain was assimilated into celebrations of some 
>> of the other Roman traditions that took place in October, such as 
>> their day to honor Pomona, the Roman goddess of fruit and trees. The 
>> symbol of Pomona is the apple, which might explain the origin of our 
>> modern tradition of bobbing for apples on Halloween. The thrust of 
>> the practices also changed over time to become more ritualized. As 
>> belief in spirit possession waned, the practice of dressing up like 
>> hobgoblins, ghosts, and witches took on a more ceremonial role.
>> 
>> The custom of Halloween was brought to America in the 1840's by Irish 
>> immigrants fleeing their country's potato famine. At that time, the 
>> favorite pranks in New England included tipping over outhouses and 
>> unhinging fence gates.
>> 
>> Since the eighth century, the Catholic Church has celebrated All 
>> Saints' Day on November 1 to celebrate the known and unknown Saints 
>> whom the Church has canonized. The night before the celebration of 
>> All Saint's Day is known as All Hallow's Eve ("Hallows" mean "saints" 
>> both mean "holy ones" as in "Hallowed be thy name"). So, Halloween 
>> means "the evening before All Saint's Day."
>> 
>> You can see from the pagan roots of Halloween why this has become the 
>> most important day to those who worship satan or choose to live in 
>> rebellion to God and the TRUTH of His Word. There is NOTHING about 
>> this day that honors God, remembers God, or has anything to do at all 
>> with God. It is, quite honestly, a celebration of those who oppose 
>> God and all that He stands for. THIS is why it's a day Christians 
>> should NOT celebrate nor be part of in any way.
>> 
>> I love you and care about you so much. Tomorrow, Part Two of this 
>> series is titled, "A Christian's Response to Halloween." Do we hide 
>> in our homes with the lights off? Do we all go to church and hide in 
>> the basement so the devil doesn't get us? What exactly should a 
>> Christian be doing on Halloween? I will give you a hint. It will be a 
>> bold call to action. I can think of no better night to see souls won 
>> for Christ than on Halloween.
>> 
>> DO NOT MISS PART TWO TOMORROW AS WE CELEBRATE A NEW HOLIDAY ON 
>> OCTOBER 31ST THAT WILL HONOR JESUS CHRIST, THE KING OF KINGS, AND 
>> LORD OF LORDS!!!
>> 
>> In His love and service, Your friend and brother in Christ,
>> 
>> Bill Keller
>> 
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