[Faith-talk] Purpose of this list, was Re: halow wean part one of two

Sun Oct 19 03:35:16 UTC 2014

greg i  do have one thing to say and this is last i will say and below
i will leave some information and subscription addresses  of some
lists that people can join if they want to discuss  jesus and the
bible and want to discuss stuff for living to be more like christ or
being more christ like and topics of christian faith that have no
connection to blindness.  and ones i give will be ones that are
moderated and things moderated pretty good that is.
I know that i have not used the list as i should either but i don't
think i am the only one though.  Anyway with that i am leaving few
groups for those who want to subscribe to something that discusses
tops like jesus living like jesus and for example evil and what is
not. the listings are below.
icctalk-subscribe at yahoogroups.com

 myfriendlyfamily-subscribe at emissives.com
also i know of one my friend phil owns and moderates he writes allot
and things on christian stuff from scripture  if you wanted to join
let me know and i can pass your name and email along to phil and he
will subscribe you.  another email group as well is
Christians_Today-subscribe at yahoogroups.com i hope this might be of
help for some of you who want to discuss scripture word for word  or
for prayer requests and place that does not nessisarly discuss
blindness at all at least not much  if any of you need any assistance
further feel free to email me on these lists.

On 10/18/14, Greg Aikens via Faith-talk <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> The problem is not that people from diverse backgrounds are contributing.
> The problem as I see it, is that so often the content has nothing to do with
> faith and blindness together. In the case of posts like this one on
> Halloween, there is nothing related to being blind. The only responses one
> could give are, "I agree," or "I disagree," which is basically what we have
> happening. The other problem I see is that when a post does have blindness
> related content, such as Brandon's asking for volunteers to help him test
> his method for teaching Tarot to see if it is accessible, the thread often
> gets bogged down in non blindness related issues, such as whether or not
> Tarot is a legitimate religious expression, etc.
>
> In my opinion, this list would be a more valuable resource if we limited the
> content to items that concern blindness and faith together. We should all be
> able to relate to and offer support or advice to blind people of any faith
> who are having access issues, trouble accessing religious materials,
> services, etc. We could all offer advice to blind people who are struggling
> to find a place to serve in their church/synagogue/mosque/temple etc. We can
> all engage in discussions about the way our faith intersects with our
> blindness, around topics such as physical healing, the problem of evil and
> suffering, or any number of topics that sighted people so often want to
> discuss with us. And we could all do so with a healthy respect for one
> another's views.
>
> This list doesn't seem like a great forum for debating the truth or
> falsehood of certain systems of belief. It doesn't even seem like a great
> place for inter faith dialogue, just for the sake of dialogue. I'm sure
> there are literally hundreds of email lists that already exist for those
> purposes. I know that is not how the list has been used in the past. I just
> think it might be a good approach.
>
> -Greg
>
> It does seem like a good list for connecting with other blind people of
> faith over our common experiences and to ask questions, share resources,
> etc.
>
> On Oct 18, 2014, at 10:33 PM, justin williams via Faith-talk
> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
>> You mean, when only Christians were sending messages back and fourth?
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Faith-talk [mailto:faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Donna
>> Elliott via Faith-talk
>> Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2014 10:32 PM
>> To: Faith-talk, for the discussion of faith and religion
>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] halow wean part one of two
>>
>> Does anyone else miss when this list was about faith rather than
>> disagreements?  Donna
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>>> On Oct 18, 2014, at 10:23 PM, Brandon A. Olivares via Faith-talk
>>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Not sure what you mean by "supposed". The Christmas tree is a Pagan
>>> symbol. No debating that. What you think about that fact is the only
>>> question.
>>>
>>>> On Oct 18, 2014, at 9:56 PM, qubit via Faith-talk
>>>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Excuse me, but you sound like the people who quote some supposed
>>>> history of the Christmas tree as a pagan symbol.  I think while some
>>>> people gravitate toward ghoulish costumes on halloween, I thinkthe
>>>> majority dress up like anything or anyone they want just for
>>>> something entertaining to do.  For example, I saw a tv reporter ask a
>>>> policeman in NY whose idea it was for him to dress up like a policeman
>>>> for halloween...He laughed and said my boss".
>>>> I had a friend dress like a giant crayon.  I I have dressed like a
>>>> lot of things just for fun.
>>>> I am not a satan worshipper.  I think that is kind of creepy.  But
>>>> lots of Christians have fun dressing up and eating treats on
>>>> halloween.  The only complaint I have is that it has the word
>>>> "hallow" in the word, which implies something holy, which it is not.
>>>> Is someone going to bite me for having pleasant childhood memories of
>>>> halloween?
>>>> --le
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Andrew via Faith-talk" <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> To: "Faith-talk" <Faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2014 5:24 PM
>>>> Subject: [Faith-talk] halow wean part one of two
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Halloween - Part 1 of 2
>>>>
>>>> Should Christians celebrate Halloween? No! What the world will
>>>> celebrate on October 31 is not anything that a Christian should be
>>>> part of. The origin of what we know of as Halloween began in 5th
>>>> century B.C., Celtic Ireland as a holiday marking the end of summer
>>>> on October 31 known as Samhein (sow-en).
>>>>
>>>> The pagan Celts believed on that day, the disembodied spirits of all
>>>> those who had died throughout the preceding year would come back in
>>>> search of living bodies to possess for the next year. It was believed
>>>> to be their only hope for the afterlife. The Celts believed all laws
>>>> of space and time were suspended during this time, allowing the
>>>> spirit world to intermingle with the living.
>>>>
>>>> Naturally, the still living did not want to be possessed. So on the
>>>> night of October 31, villagers would extinguish the fires in their
>>>> homes, to make them cold and undesirable. They would then dress up in
>>>> all manner of ghoulish costumes and noisily paraded around the
>>>> neighborhood, being as destructive as possible in order to frighten
>>>> away spirits looking for bodies to possess.
>>>>
>>>> The Romans adopted the Celtic practices as their own. But in the
>>>> first century A.D., Samhain was assimilated into celebrations of some
>>>> of the other Roman traditions that took place in October, such as
>>>> their day to honor Pomona, the Roman goddess of fruit and trees. The
>>>> symbol of Pomona is the apple, which might explain the origin of our
>>>> modern tradition of bobbing for apples on Halloween. The thrust of
>>>> the practices also changed over time to become more ritualized. As
>>>> belief in spirit possession waned, the practice of dressing up like
>>>> hobgoblins, ghosts, and witches took on a more ceremonial role.
>>>>
>>>> The custom of Halloween was brought to America in the 1840's by Irish
>>>> immigrants fleeing their country's potato famine. At that time, the
>>>> favorite pranks in New England included tipping over outhouses and
>>>> unhinging fence gates.
>>>>
>>>> Since the eighth century, the Catholic Church has celebrated All
>>>> Saints' Day on November 1 to celebrate the known and unknown Saints
>>>> whom the Church has canonized. The night before the celebration of
>>>> All Saint's Day is known as All Hallow's Eve ("Hallows" mean "saints"
>>>> both mean "holy ones" as in "Hallowed be thy name"). So, Halloween
>>>> means "the evening before All Saint's Day."
>>>>
>>>> You can see from the pagan roots of Halloween why this has become the
>>>> most important day to those who worship satan or choose to live in
>>>> rebellion to God and the TRUTH of His Word. There is NOTHING about
>>>> this day that honors God, remembers God, or has anything to do at all
>>>> with God. It is, quite honestly, a celebration of those who oppose
>>>> God and all that He stands for. THIS is why it's a day Christians
>>>> should NOT celebrate nor be part of in any way.
>>>>
>>>> I love you and care about you so much. Tomorrow, Part Two of this
>>>> series is titled, "A Christian's Response to Halloween." Do we hide
>>>> in our homes with the lights off? Do we all go to church and hide in
>>>> the basement so the devil doesn't get us? What exactly should a
>>>> Christian be doing on Halloween? I will give you a hint. It will be a
>>>> bold call to action. I can think of no better night to see souls won
>>>> for Christ than on Halloween.
>>>>
>>>> DO NOT MISS PART TWO TOMORROW AS WE CELEBRATE A NEW HOLIDAY ON
>>>> OCTOBER 31ST THAT WILL HONOR JESUS CHRIST, THE KING OF KINGS, AND
>>>> LORD OF LORDS!!!
>>>>
>>>> In His love and service, Your friend and brother in Christ,
>>>>
>>>> Bill Keller
>>>>
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