[Faith-talk] healing, blindness and other thoughts

Sun Oct 19 21:23:45 UTC 2014

I believe that the possibility of regaining sight can be an unknown factor,
a catch 22. I knew a woman who was a believer, worked at the local center
for the blind, had a gentle way about her and had been blind for about
twenty years. She was able to undergo a minor surgery that gave her site
back in both of her eyes. Here is the thing, after she got her sight back
she never came back to the center for the blind or stayed in contact with
the staff there, she went back to life as a sited person and that was it,
boom just like that it was like she had never been part of a blind
community.

-----Original Message-----
From: Faith-talk [mailto:faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Andrew
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Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2014 10:22 AM
To: Christine Olivares; Faith-talk, for the discussion of faith and religion
Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] healing, blindness and other thoughts

I have been praid for to one time in the summer somebody came to my parents
claming that i am going to see soon and things like that blindness can be a
struggle for me my parents and i have disagreements on what i can and can't
do but sometimes these types of discussions with my dad for example end up
not ending the right way like we end up yelling at each other and  they
basically go no where at all. and the discussion that was had was based on
living arrangemence and things like that he was acting as if i can't live on
my own and i told him blind people have their own appartments and things
like that and he kept saying you need assisted living pretty much things
like that.

On 10/19/14, Christine Olivares via Faith-talk <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
wrote:
> I agree with Maurine that miracles do happen today. I am a big 
> believer in the laying on of hands, however when I do it for people, I 
> ask them what they would like prayer for. So if I do see someone blind 
> or crippled or whatever, I don't assume they want physical healing 
> unless they specifically say so. I believe in the movement of the Holy 
> Spirit, so if I am led to pray for people I do, but I always take them 
> into consideration first and ask what they would like prayer for.
>
> As for physical healing, I am not attached whether I am or not. Sure, 
> I will ask for it from time to time, but I am not attached to the 
> results. it's more of a "why not?" kind of thing, and if someone does 
> want to pray for me I do allow it but I also grew up with it so it 
> doesn't make me feel uncomfortable because they are just showing love. 
> However, if they are doing it out of pity that is another story.
>
> there are times I wish my glaucoma were healed, but not because of the 
> site but because of the perpetual pain I am in all the time, meaning 
> physical pain feeling the pressure behind my eyes. Surgery hasn't 
> really helped as sit should have.
>
> I do not believe in the ideas of Christian Scientists. All I know is 
> they don't believe in doctors, and doctors have helped me a lot. I 
> think a combination of medical and spiritual is the way to go. You 
> can't have one without the other in my opinion. I mean, the book of 
> Ecclesiastes says to go see a doctor, in so many words, so God must have a
plan for doctors.
>
> God bless,
> Christine
>> On Oct 19, 2014, at 11:42 AM, Brandon A. Olivares via Faith-talk 
>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> I agree Jorge. Blindness is not something to be cured. If we see it 
>> as something that is wrong with us, then we can't really make as much 
>> of our lives as we can. I've been blind since the age of 4, and am 
>> perfectly happy as I am.
>>
>>> On Oct 19, 2014, at 11:32 AM, Jorge Paez via Faith-talk 
>>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org <mailto:faith-talk at nfbnet.org>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I for one dont want my sight back, and i find it extremely annoying 
>>> when people want to pray for God to give me sight as if there was 
>>> anything wrong with being blind.
>>> No thank you, God made me this way and i am happy being blind and 
>>> dont feel like I missed anything.
>>> Sorry about the rant, but when blind or cited Christians start 
>>> talking about "" getting cured "", it ticks me off to no end.
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>> On Oct 19, 2014, at 8:50 AM, Maureen Pranghofer via Faith-talk 
>>>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi
>>>> Personally I believe Jesus still heals though we don't see many 
>>>> healings of blind people here, however He is still doing it in 
>>>> other countries. I know of a missionary to India who prayed for a 
>>>> guy born with no eyes in India, the blind man was not a believer.  
>>>> Nothing happened.  But the next day he woke up seeing perfectly.  
>>>> Because of that he believed in the Savior.  And so I sometimes ask 
>>>> for this and sometimes I feel I get glimpses of things though it is not
physical.
>>>> As for Christian Science a friend of mine, well her parents were 
>>>> strong believers and the only thing I knew of them is that they did 
>>>> not believe in doctors at all.
>>>> Maureen
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message----- From: qubit via Faith-talk
>>>> Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2014 1:12 AM
>>>> To: faith-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>> Subject: [Faith-talk] healing, blindness and other thoughts
>>>>
>>>> Has anyone else played the mental game of wondering if your vision 
>>>> loss or improvement carries some message from God?  Probably 
>>>> everyone who has lost vision gradually over many years has prayed 
>>>> for more sight, or no more loss.
>>>> Something about sight carries a spiritual message in some passages 
>>>> of scripture.  I can't remember the verses any more. But I think 
>>>> second-guessing what changes in your vision mean (if there is a 
>>>> meaning) is a futile activity.
>>>> Sorry.  I should look up the quote but I don't have it handy.
>>>>
>>>> Has anyone read "Science and Health and Key to the Scriptures"? 
>>>> Someone recommended it to me. I know nothing about Christian 
>>>> Science.  Anyone have experience with it?
>>>>
>>>> I'm just curious.  I've long since been resigned to being blind the 
>>>> rest of my life, but there's always things to learn.
>>>>
>>>> Excuse the ramble.
>>>> --le
>>>>
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