[Faith-talk] {Spam?} Re: {Spam?} SV: {Spam?} Orientalism

[David Moore]

Hi all,
My name is David Moore from the United States. I would like to say a few 
words. I hope as many of these words come from our Lord and Savior Jesus 
Christ as possible. First of all, I would like to say that my nation is 
getting more hypocritical all of the time. I personally after studying for 
many years and praying, along with what the Lord has done believe that 
salvation comes only from the blood of Christ. I have studied much of the 
writings of Islam, and I have read the Bible over 50 times, and I read it 
every day. After much prayer over the Islam literature, and then truly 
praying to God and reading the Bible, God has shown me that the Bible is the 
only Word of God, and No other religious writings is not. I have much 
evidence to share with you concerning the authenticity of the Bible over 
Muhammad's Qur'an and other Islam literature, but this would be an entire 
study. I want all of you to know that there is a remnant of true Christians 
in the United States who Truly believe and live out the Christian faith. 
There are many churches who are selling out to please society and what is 
politically correct. Unfortunately, many churches are marrying two men or 
two women. Revelation talks a lot about the very last days, and I believe we 
are headed toward these days if Christians do not wake up and live out what 
the Bible says. The Bible and only the Bible is the 100% true Word of God. 
The Bible is without error, and I could prove this to you through a lot of 
study. The Qur'an, therefore, is just words written down like any other 
book. The Qur'an is not, absolutely not, the Word of God. Now, If we Compare 
Jesus to Muhammad, we will see many differences and contradictions. 
Remember, there is only one truth. You cannot have 2+2 = 4, and have 2+2 = 7 
as well. So, if Muhammad and Jesus contradict each other, there is a 
problem. I have just said that I personally believe that the Bible is the 
only word of God, and Jesus is the Word himself. Jesus came to earth as God 
in the flesh. Muhammad was just another man. So, I love everyone and I am 
open minded as you can get when it comes to loving people. However, I cannot 
love people and let them go to hell at the same time. There is only one way 
to heaven, just like there is only one truth. We cannot adopt the Muslim 
religion, and love them at the same time, because every person who follows a 
man made religion is going to Hell. I am so sorry I have to be this firm. I 
would give up my life if it would stop the fact of people going to Hell. If 
I could stop anyone from going to Hell by giving up my life by doing so, I 
would give it up without thinking about it. Hell is a very true place, and 
many are going there. Jesus is not a religion at all. Jesus is the only way 
we can go to Heaven, and he is not a religion. I have been saying this for 
years. No religion, even some man made Christian religion will get you to 
Heaven. Only the Blood of Jesus given to you totally to you by free grace 
will wash your sins clean so you can go to Heaven. You can do as many good 
works as possible, and you will still sin, and the punishment for just one 
sin is Hell. A person cannot work off their sins. Once you sin, you are 
destined for Hell, right then and there, unless that sin is washed away. The 
only way that one sin can be washed away, is by obeying the message of 
salvation the Bible gives, and then for free, not by works, you will be 
washed clean from all of your sins without doing one good work to have your 
sins washed clean. This is a totally different message from the Islam 
religion. This message from Jesus Christ is totally different than the 
message of the Curran. Islam teaches that as long as you do more good works 
than bad works, you will go to Heaven. In other words, if the good 
out-weighs the bad, you will enter Heaven. Islam does not address the sins 
that you have committed and how those sins are washed clean. Only God can 
clean your sins away, and Jesus Christ is God. Muhammad is not God, He was 
just any other man. Now, in my experience with Muslims becoming Christians, 
the quansiquences were always great! I went to a large university, and I 
witnessed five Muslims in our Bible Study becoming Christians. As soon as 
these students became Christians, their parents said that they would kill 
them if they saw them again. All five of these students were from different 
places in the Middle East. Their parents disowned them, and we had to help 
these students with all of their financial needs. These five students who 
went from being Muslim to Christian, were never to see their siblings again. 
I am just saying what I heard, and I knew these students. Now, Emanuel has 
told me the same thing about his experience of becoming a Christian. 
Emanuel's father wants to kill him. So, we must ask, is Islam the peaceful 
religion that many wants to make it out to be? Women are killed if they are 
raped, they are not allowed to drive, work, and they are raped by their 
husbands all the time. In Saudi Arabia, women are stoned to death for being 
raped so the disgrace may be taken away from the family. My, Christians do 
not do this, no matter how crazy they are. Muhammad had his own army, and he 
called Muslims to kill the infidel. I encourage Muslims to study their own 
religion, because I love them so much. Muslims who read this, I love you 
from the bottom of my heart. I want you to know the truth. Please do 
research about who Muhammad was and how he lived his life compared to how 
Jesus lived his life on this earth. Jesus said to turn the other cheek, and 
believe me, Muhammad did not say that. You will find this out, once you do 
real research into who Muhammad really was. I love you all, I really do. 
When people say they except you, they do not mean it. I love you so much, 
that I want you to have the relationship with Jesus Christ like I do. I want 
you to experience the peace, joy, and happiness that I do. It all comes from 
the inside. I don't need anything from this world to make me happy. Jesus 
Christ gives me a joy that cannot be even put into words. I love you all, 
and God bless you all,
David Moore

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Yes, Mostafa says he is. A rude one!

You must have an interesting perspective Emmanuel. What your family did to 
you remind me of what Amish do to family who leave or do not embrace their 
fundementalist way of faith & simple lifestyle.

Ericka

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> Ämne: [Faith-talk] {Spam?} Orientalism
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> Orientalism is an academic term used by scholars in art, history, 
> literary, Theology, geography and cultural studies for the depiction of 
> Eastern that is( Oriental cultures), including Middle Eastern, North 
> African, South Asian and Southeast Asian cultures done by writers, 
> designers, and artists from the West. In some western universities, these 
> are called (Middle Eastern studies) or just (Eastern Studies) for short. 
> This definition of Orientalism is actually taken from Wikipedia. There is 
> another definition.
> Orientalism is a way of seeing that imagines, emphasizes, exaggerates and 
> distorts differences of Arab peoples and cultures as compared to that of 
> Europe and the United States. It often involves seeing Arab culture as 
> exotic, backward, uncivilized, and at times dangerous. Well at this point, 
> we must hold the cane from the middle. In other words, we must be fair. I 
> have always told my fellows who reside in the west, that you shouldn’t put 
> all western people in one basket. Each and every culture has different 
> sapidities. There are mild, moderate and severe ones. One of my very close 
> friends is a mechanical engineer. He studies and works in France. He 
> worked in Germany before he moved to France recently. France is a bit 
> closer to the States in its racial discrimination. Concerning Germany, he 
> mentioned to me  quite positive and encouraging situations that he 
> encountered with people there. What he mentioned to me defies unworthy 
> Arab stereotypes about the west. So for instance, it refutes the 
> stereotype of westerns being unaccommodating and insensate. Well, quite 
> the opposite, he told me that people surrounded him treated him with 
> recognized cordial and hospitable disposal. It also defies the stereotype 
> of western women being so easy, voluptuous and daring. There are many of 
> them who have ethical motive, virtue, they have erubescent and girlie 
> shyness. He also mentioned to me situations that are sufficient to defy 
> the stereotype of us being constantly despised in the west. It is a proper 
> occasion to clarify my inimical stridence. Whom is it toward? It 
> essentially is intended to campaign against the (Alt Right Movement).
> The best way to put it is to basically portray it in Trump’s camp.
> It’s a right-wing southern white supremacy. They aggress against anyone 
> who is different from them. They are intolerant toward people with ethnic 
> diversity. They often are misanthrope and dysphemistic.
> Many people in the west are not in favour of this hostile camp. I always 
> make a significant difference between Europe and the United States. We can 
> generically refer to Europeans as mostly reasonable, edified and 
> open-minded. However, many Americans due to media dominance are largely 
> disinformed, insulated and quite prejudiced about other parts of the 
> world. This is why, American culture is quite marginalised, it began to be 
> diminished in our region. Europe is the ideal substitute in my humble 
> opinion. European nations are geographically closer to us. They have long 
> history in affiliation with our region, either during Crusades or modern 
> invasion. They learned a lot about us during neither era. This is why I 
> don’t think they will return to engage against us once again. Of course, 
> we won’t deny the existence of anti-Islam movements in many parts of 
> Europe. It is natural to see such variation. The difference though, that 
> the hostile camp in the States is quite active and possibly influential 
> through their mass media whilst in Europe, they may not necessarily have 
> this impact. In Europe, you may hear about charges of committing hate 
> crimes either by unbearable acts or through abhorrent rhetoric.
> Well in the States, it’s unlikely to hear charges of hate crimes against 
> detestable southerners, for instance. There are many key factors to 
> critically differentiate between American and European cultures. Whilst 
> both are classified as westernly orientated, there are major differences. 
> First of which, is the social structure of each side. Europe is more open 
> to welcoming various cultures and throughout its educational system, these 
> cultures are smoothly desegregated. In the American camp, there are many 
> communities inhabiting the same region, yet they are constantly skeptic 
> and suspicious of each other.
> Most people in the States are obsessed with watching movies whilst 
> relaxing. They are sort of television addicts. In contrast, Europeans like 
> to read and they may not be as addicted to television as their rivals. For 
> these reasons and more, I recommend shifting our focus to invest our 
> interest and intellectually in particular with the European side. So 
> Orientalism like any academic discipline, has its pros and cons. Thomas 
> Carlyle is a prominent Scottish author and historian. He wrote about the 
> French revolution and he had very positive perspectives concerning Muslims 
> and prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him). There are many 
> orientalists who serve in this camp. Our role here is to collaborate with 
> them and produce a mutual work that is based on deferentially scholastic 
> approach. We also must allow a suitable room for worthwhile scrutiny. The 
> west isn’t held accountable for our deplorable state of nescience. We 
> ought to practically refine our education. I have read couple of textbooks 
> on Orientalism in Arabic. Well, they both deal with the subject from the 
> disputing standpoint. It essentially relies on the conspiratorial theory. 
> It studies and examines Orientalism as a tool of Colonialism.
> It critically studies how Orientalists constantly portray Middle Eastern 
> cultures as strange, awkward and often threatening to western liberty. 
> Thus, it justifies western expeditions to Muslim lands. The United States 
> uses Orientally prejudiced notions to justify its position from the Muslim 
> world. If you listen to how American prominent figures speak, you will 
> recognize their plain indulgence with slanted Orientalism. Islam is 
> tactically expended to terrify and jeopardise lay Americans. The business 
> of insistently demonizing and prejudiciously depicting Muslims as radical 
> terrorists, murderers, plotters and fundamentally fanatics is the norm in 
> America. The portrayal of the prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) as 
> philanderer and paedophile makes us fathom the vicious American version of 
> Orientalism. It is essentially based on obscene and terrifically salacious 
> portrayals. The latter however, is a common characteristic of American 
> society. The United States is filled with many social disintegrations, 
> often pertained to misbehavior and sexual scandals. There are numerous 
> incidents of incest reported in their country which left the subject of 
> intercourse quite sick and bizarre.
> Therefore, they liken prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon
> him) to the most horrible practice they ever noticed. This taste of 
> Oriental literature is not the only one of this discipline. There is 
> another version which is classified as the relatively impartial side.
> It somewhat portrays the moderate approach. It studies Islamic culture for 
> the purpose of recognizing interdependencies. It often avoids engaging in 
> provocative subjects. It may not be as active as we would like it but, it 
> fairly exists. Nevertheless, the prepossessing approach is more likely to 
> be affective due to predominantly vast American dominance. As hellion 
> Donald Trump once uttered in one of his despicable speeches, Americanism 
> is not Globalism. Therefore, we ought to really be careful, there are 
> substantial attempts to Americanise even western cultures. This is why I 
> said to my friends living in Europe, that we need to tenaciously unite to 
> confront this manipulating power, which attempts to deviously dominate us. 
> It essentially relies on racially disparaging remarks, bigotry and 
> detrimental sentiments. The United States is quite popular for issuing 
> visas to fraudsters. They issue visas to people whom they like to hear 
> their plainly counterfeit chronicles about being supposedly, ex Muslims, 
> ha-ha. I on multiple occasions asked U.S pastors to openly confront me on 
> that regard. Until this moment, they never wrote me back and they probably 
> won’t. I would like to ask people who  work for U.S embassies a straight 
> question that demands a direct and denotative answer. If someone caught 
> indictable of being mendacious or unclear about his past, as if he said he 
> was Muslim and he wasn’t or, he lied about some of his credit contingents, 
> would you issue this person a
> visa?                                Please, yes or no. I specifically
> address Americans who like to incorrectly assume us popping off to 
> immigrate to their country, your presumption isn’t correct. I am not 
> particularly desperate about obtaining your visas nor residing in your 
> country legally or illegally. It may be challenging economically here at 
> home but, I’d better find somewhere else to settle dignifiedly. The United 
> States is impeached of substantially secernating ethnicities based on 
> racial disparities. That has been proven repeatedly through the last 
> couple of months. American Orientalism is held accountable
> for this   chaotic disarray. American Orientalism is the chief shamed
> of religious uncertainty. There are many people who tend to ramble between 
> various isms purposelessly. Religion is disapproved in the United States 
> despite insignificant proclamations of being allegedly a Christian nation. 
> What are we to commend or repudiate about this state of iniquity. This is 
> a nation which carries an evangelical banner, yet it has officially 
> accredited same sex marriage as licit last year. I have discussed this 
> subject with many Christian devotees therein. Many of them thought it 
> couldn’t be delt with, whilst others gave credit to separating faith and 
> civil affairs. This is a decisive evident of how paradoxical the United 
> States is. American Orientalism is often expatiated to odiously parallel 
> between Jihad and terrorism. This is why we ought to embrace a 
> scrupulously countering scheme. My role here is to establish solid ground 
> for scrutiny, preferably with European academe. It confidently has been 
> proved to be theologically impartial, far from either explicit hostility 
> or disingenuous flattery. As I mentioned earlier in this piece of 
> composition, they are casually expected to fairly disagree with some of 
> what we assert but, they are highly competent to do so in prestigiously 
> academic manner.
> The rising tide of Islamophobia visible in mainstream political circles 
> and reflected in the media leaves the Muslim community intemperately 
> susceptible to confront major threats. Racist and Islamophobic rhetoric 
> has already translated into violent and deadly incidents across the 
> States, with further armed threats directed at Muslim institutions and 
> individuals now almost a daily occurrence.
> These incidents are deliberately unnoticed. We need a greater, more 
> sustained response that both examines the roots of Islamophobia and 
> provides the empirical data to quantify the problem. Only then, we can 
> develop the tools required to educate policymakers and civil society on 
> how best to counter this longstanding crisis. Christian and secular 
> orientalists of the United States are injurious of repulsively aspersing 
> Islam with enormous ignominy and detrimental disparagement.
> The deficiency of renowned let alone ordinary edification is the chief 
> cause for the rise of such insolence. There might be some Americans who 
> treat the subject objectively. Most of them, however, are unevenly 
> indoctrinated. I’ll repeat this statement, if Americans weren’t easy to 
> fool, someone like Donald Trump would have not been nominated for 
> Republican candidature. Despite his unambiguously inflammatory remarks, he 
> is supported and widely embraced across their country.
> Despite his appallingly intolerable sentiments which were highly offensive 
> to each and everyone, he is continuously endorsed. Despite his constantly 
> contradicting and simultaneously assaultive statements, he hasn’t been 
> expelled from the presidential race. Donald Trump is eminently embraced in 
> spite of his incredible disqualifications because he says what most 
> Americans like to hear. Donald Trump is tremendously disqualified, yet he 
> is the beseeming president for who lay Americans are. If you want to look 
> at actual Americans, just look at Trump’s spirit. You don’t have to 
> exhaust yourselves with engaging in pretension of counterfeit diplomacy, 
> we recognize what American manner is. I don’t think I’ll ever commit the 
> mistake of believing my enemy. American Orientalism is the one to describe 
> as imbecile, disinforming and extraordinarily ignominious in the 
> slightest.
> Clifford Wilson, you previously mentioned to me that you studied world 
> religions but you never heard of the  term Orientalism. Well I hope you 
> now have a glimpse of what it is. Mister Wilson, I suppose you are 
> sufficiently aware of the broad repudiation to your explicitly 
> disheartening supremacy. Your regionally Mexican neighbors are the first 
> to be troubled with this. Donald Trump on Mexico is unprecedentedly 
> paradoxical. When he spoke about Mexico to his rallies, he spoke with 
> intolerable belligerence. But when he spoke to Mexican officials, his tone 
> of voice has changed. This is quite typical for American manner. They 
> speak at our face with a softened tone, but when they speak to their 
> allies, they often change their tune. This is their typical paradox. I won’t 
> ever speak to people with ambidextrous. I am plain to people whether I am 
> friend or enemy to them. My temperament is essentially based on clarity 
> and honesty. This is how I strongly built my various relationships with 
> people domestically and overseas. So please Clifford, you may discern that 
> I consider you from the camp that I’ll stand firm against. The reason for 
> that is your demonstratively southern manner. You mentioned in an e-mail 
> to a mass list for the American Council of the blind that you are 
> seventy-two years old, that means you are considered a senior citizen in 
> the States. I urge you sir to thoroughly be edified about other parts of 
> the world. Your quarantined and heavily persuaded southern region is a 
> decisive barrier for reputed edification. Mister Wilson, I fairly consider 
> myself more educated than you. I fluently speak and properly compose in a 
> highly notable form of your  language, yet you barely type in colloquially 
> American English. I of course am not sure about your speaking competency. 
> Now we can see where the cultural gap come from. I again, urge you to 
> fairly revise the facts I just outlined and then ask yourself, is it 
> necessarily that an individual coming from a sophisticated nation to be 
> more educated than someone who comes from a developing one? People here 
> are constantly bewildered, they want to adhere their identity whilst 
> looking up to western civilization with considerable attraction. I treat 
> the matter with a moderate proposition. I admittedly recognize western 
> significant advancement on technology and contemporary education. At the 
> same time, I steadfastly adhere my heritage and tradition. With both in 
> mind, I am able to fairly stand between recognizing western advancement 
> and Muslim traditionality. They both are fairly consolidative. Unlike 
> predominantly secularized Muslims, I am not influenced with western 
> manipulation. I recognize that my religion enjoins me to relentlessly seek 
> knowledge. I am aware of what Muslim scholars have substantially 
> contributed to various scientific fields as the prominently outstanding 
> Muslim physician and philosopher, (Abu Ali al-Husain ibn Abdallah ibn 
> Sina). Western orientalists have altered his name to (Avicenna) in order 
> to somehow conceal his Muslim identity. I also recognize that in their 
> numerous encyclopedias, they altered the name of prominent Muslim 
> philosopher and initial interpreter of Aristotle works into Arabic. They 
> altered his name from
> (Ibn-Roshd) to a mispronounced name, they called him  (Averroes) in order 
> to again, withdraw his Muslim identity. This is a common practice of 
> Christians. They did so to their own scriptures in order to make them 
> basically suit what they like, they did so to make them suit their 
> interest. There are many instances of what I call biblical revisal for 
> theological motivation. They purposely pick up the translation that suits 
> their interest of the text and preach it outloud to their disinformed 
> congregations. Well gratefully, we aren’t consented to do so to the Noble 
> Koran. Its sacred text is infinitely intact and Providentially preserved. 
> Even when we translate the Koran into different languages, we recognize 
> that it is a humanly contribution. Thus, it is consequently susceptible to 
> error. This is why, it’s vitally necessary to revise and countercheck 
> Koran translations and instantly correct them where that is relevant.
> Christian evangelists and orientalists aren’t so outspoken about the text 
> at their hands nor they fairly look into the credibility of the 
> translator. The King James version is a widely recognized and trusted 
> edition of the Holy Bible in Christian English speaking communities.
> However, it has been later declared fallible and thus, a revised standard 
> edition had to be written. Those are the ones who purposely evoke doubts 
> about Islam in lay Muslim minds. Those are the ones who attempt to distort 
> Islam in either a diplomatic or a hostilely manner.
> Don’t ever assume that the intention of those who often speak gently is so 
> innocent. It is quite inconsistent for a Muslim to go study Islam in their 
> colleges, it’s utterly nonsensical. When I said we demand to collaborate 
> with them on that regard, I basically meant that Muslim certified 
> theologians, clerics and renowned scholars are to be opted to lecture 
> abroad, to teach those orientalists about the proper discernment of 
> Islamic Theology. A mutually academic practice has to be broadened. The 
> purpose of this has to primarily be based on illustrating Muslim culture 
> to the western world. There are many publications on Islam in many 
> libraries. However, they mostly lack the least of critical examination 
> which is accredited citation.
> Orientalism is not particularly accurate about multiple Islamic subjects. 
> They express their perspective about them. This is why I find it so 
> strange for a Muslim to study Islam in western universities. I actually 
> was interested to do so. But, after studying Orientalism and its essence, 
> I completely changed my mind. I decisively recognize that Orientalism 
> factors aren’t intended for devotion nor even for scholarly objectives. 
> They rather are intended for cultural disarray and religious imbalance. As 
> all we know, religion is not particularly prised in western traditions. 
> This is why, western orientalists may not be able to fathom its crucial 
> role in our daily life. In the United States, there are pliable masses of 
> people ripe for propaganda. This is why it’s quite difficult to educate 
> people there. September has just began, and this is the month during 
> Muslims are threatened of being subjected to demeaning search and seizure 
> in U.S airports for damnable security reasons. I know someone who during 
> 2011, arrived at Miami’s airport on 9-11 anniversary. He faced 
> inappropriate attitude, racial discrimination, he had been sequestered in 
> a dark room, he had been asked intolerable questions whether he was 
> affiliated with terrorist organisations, why did he go to Saudi and other 
> ridiculous stuff. His luggage then were opened disrespectfully and all 
> items were indiscriminately thrown on the floor. He arrived at almost 
> 11:00 in the morning, yet he left the airport after midnight when there 
> was no transportation to pick him.
> Incidentally, he looked quite secular. If someone chose to visit this 
> country in such time, he should not blame but himself. Orientalism is a 
> wide subject. I attempted to get through some of its principles.
> (Edward Said) is the best author on Orientalism. Now, if this is the month 
> of recalling 9-11, I have one question for American recipients.
> How could a civil jet fly into the Pentagon’s airspace, crash into it 
> without being instantaneously detected? I intended to test your 
> intelligence versus what you are told. Trust me Americans, you have got 
> much to learn about lots of things. I won’t ever visit your country in 
> such time of the year, time of ignorance and irrational fear. I won’t ever 
> visit unless I am treated civilly and properly. I won’t ever tolerate 
> improper screening or damnable search and seizure.
> I am convinced that media controls what people believe allover the world, 
> yet it has the biggest influence on Americans. They have no control out of 
> it. Media, television, journalism, online publication and video taping are 
> the tools by which people are dominated in the States. That is the vital 
> proof for dominating capitalism. People who have got money could do 
> anything even, run for president despite their plain incompetency. Unlike 
> many people in my part of the world, I am not deceived about what the 
> United States is. It may look attractive outwardly but inwardly, it’s 
> fragile. I am disliked there because unlike Donald Trump, I don’t write 
> what most Americans like to hear. I am used to typical American ignorance 
> and discourtesy, even if they attempt to pretend otherwise. My writing 
> style has to continue because I believe I have independent freedom to 
> express my opinion in whatever manner. I feel dignified not falling in the 
> manipulating camp. Well, I suppose I am done with this piece. It’s close 
> to noon time here in Cairo. I commend you for patiently reading through, 
> Mostafa
>
>
> --
> (Seeking knowledge is compulsory from cratle to grave because it is a 
> shoreless ocean.)
>
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