[Faith-talk] Shikha: classes

Tue Sep 6 00:04:10 UTC 2016

Hi Naima,
In the 1980s when the State gave me mine, they told me that it was worth 
$4,000.00
Today, it would be much cheaper, because our technology has advanced so 
much. The electronics of the Optacon would cost so much less than it did 
when was made in 1971. I have heard estimates that if an Optacon were made 
now, that would have ten times the features, it would cost around $500 to 
$1,000. It would be used with one hand instead of two, it would allow us to 
feel all print and say the words at the same time, and we could use it to 
follow the mouse pointer and and access 100% of what is on the computer 
screen. Yes, I said 100% of what a sighted person sees, we could access with 
the Optacon when it comes to accessing print, technology, and math and 
science. I forgot to tell you guys this. I felt all graphs in calculus, I 
felt maps, charts, and all of that by tracing it with the little camera. 
Many blind people could access what they cannot access today if a new 
Optacon was made that would make no noise at all.
David Moore

-----Original Message----- 
From: Naima Leigh via Faith-Talk
Sent: Monday, September 5, 2016 7:23 PM
To: 'Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion'
Cc: Naima Leigh
Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Shikha: classes

Well David,

I was going to ask you that question too. When will they bring back the 
Optica? Should we sign a patision or call someone in behalf of this. Don't 
they know that this can help someone who has never red print or music notes. 
How much did it cost for you and how much do you think it will cost today?

Naima

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Moore via Faith-Talk
Sent: Monday, September 05, 2016 6:14 PM
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Cc: David Moore
Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Shikha: classes

Hi Ericka,
Thanks a lot. Let me know if you need help, because I can explain a concept 
in so many different ways so any person will understand it. I teach sunday 
school in church, and I take the materials they use and scan them with 
OpenBook onto my computer. I also use the KNFB reader a lot with the iPhone, 
so I can read something in church right on the spot. People give me rides to 
church, and they get my food for me at a pot luck. I record the music as it 
is being sung in church. I ask people with a loud voice, if I can place my 
recorder by them so I can take the tape home and memorize the words. They 
really get a kick out of it, and say that they feel like a super star having 
their singing recorded. I take notes of the sermon in Church with a note 
taker; that helps a lot. I take my technology to church just like I would to 
work or school. I use a Braille note, with the KNFB reader. I still use an 
Optacon, that I cannot imagine being without. One day, I teach 6th graders 
in Sunday school, I heard a piece of paper sliding across the table around 
me. I knew they were passing notes between each other. I took out my Optacon 
out of my bag, and they were silent as I read out loud what they had been 
writing and passing around. I can read a lot of people's hand writing with 
the Optacon. They have never done that again. I feel so sorry for those who 
have never had the oportunity to use an Optacon. You can feel the exact 
shape of the print that you roll the camera over. It is right on the spot 
reading in real time, and not having to depend on the OCR quality. I felt 
all of my math symbols with the Optacon and was able to read all of my math 
texts and science texts with the Optacon. Now, when I tutor, I know what 
every math symbol looks like in print, because I felt it with the Optacon. I 
can write a lot of math out for sighted people to read. I wish that the NFB 
would fight for an Optacon project to bring the Optacon back more than 
anything. For us who have used it, we all say that there is no current 
technology that will ever totally replace the Optacon. I cried when I heard 
that it would no longer be made. I really did. A lot of access to church 
materials would be solved with the Optacon, because you can roll the camera 
over any language or music, any symbols, and feel them. You can read 
absolutely anything with the Optacon. Only you are the limit. I think that 
it is really time for the NFB to do everything in their power to bring back 
the Optacon, because it would solve so many accessibility problems with 
math, science, languages, music, anything that is printed can be read with 
the Optacon.
Take care, Guys, How do I get a hold of the most important person about the 
Optacon LOL!
David Moore

-----Original Message-----
From: Ericka via Faith-Talk
Sent: Monday, September 5, 2016 2:58 PM
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Cc: Ericka
Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Shikha: classes

Goodness I wish you were my math teacher! I really stink. It's not so much 
the concepts as the fact that being low vision I can't put things in the 
right slot. You know, when you have to do a Long division or algebraic stuff 
improve your work. I can't get things in the right order so they lineup and 
my numbers don't come out. They goodness for checkbook apps! I did pretty 
well in statistics with some help. Totally agree with you David that human 
beings are a blessing and shouldn't be thought of as a last resort. We're 
going to need them on the job and if they understand I working with us how 
we do things then leave educated later colleagues! Maybe future church 
members? We really don't know what a lot of people do after college. They go 
out into the wide world and by knowing us they understand why people a 
little bit better than the rest. I am very glad you brought up the point 
that sighted people need each other for help as well. They take rides from 
each other. Sighted people have tutors for classes. They babysit each 
other's kids. They pick up the mail for each other. They cook for each 
other. They commute to work! So why would it ever be wrong to ask someone to 
read something for us or help? It's our job to learn how to do things 
alternatively so we can return the favor rather than looking like we only 
need help.

Ericka Short
1750 Fordem Ave. #508
Madison. WI. 53704
608-665-3170

from my iPhone 6s

> On Sep 4, 2016, at 3:14 PM, David Moore via Faith-Talk
> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> Wow, good for you, Shikha,
> My Degree was in mathematics, and I received my masters in mathematics
> Education. I have my own math tutoring business. I live in Columbus, Ohio.
> I have been to Maryland and DC, and the public transportation is so great.
> The metro train is so clean and fast. I am so proud of you. It was
> hard, because I attended The Ohio State University, and I lived in the
> dorm. I had many sighted friends, but sometimes, they did not
> understand why I could not have as much fun as they did LOL! I had to
> take more time studying, and I had to work harder then my sighted
> friends did to get good grades. I am blessed with a good mind, and I
> can memorize a lot of information. That really helped me, because I
> did not have to write everything down in Braille to remember it. I
> used audio tapes to learn from by listening to them. Most of my
> learning was by listening to readers and tapes. I went to school in
> the 1980s for my bachelorss, so there was not near as much technology
> then. I had to use readers who would read the book to me, and I would
> record them reading with a cassette recorder. Of course, now, I would
> do things totally different. Many classes are practically on line now,
> which would have been great for me, because I can access everything
> over the computer with my screen reader and Braille display. It is a
> different world now. I did get my masters in 2008, so I got to use all
> of the current technology to get my masters. It was beautiful to go to
> school at totally different times. One time in the 1980s, and the
> second time to get my masters in 2008. I was able to be in school when
> there was not all of the technology, and I was able to go to school
> with all of the technology. I think that all of the new technology has
> not replaced having readers, and taking advantage of help that people
> can give you instead of a OCR package or screen reader. No technology
> can replace people, and that concerns me a little. It is not wrong to
> depend on others to help you when you are blind. Even sighted people
> need a lot of help from others. I encourage you to use all technology
> available to you, but don't be afraid to ask for help from others when
> you need it. We all need each other, no matter if we are blind or sighted. 
> Five classes is a lot. The most classes I took at one time was four 
> classes.
> David Moore
>
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Shikha via Faith-Talk
> Sent: Sunday, September 4, 2016 3:53 PM
> To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
> Cc: Shikha
> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Shikha: classes
>
> I am a jr and taking core classes. Five social work classes.
> My major is social work and I would like to move to Maryland or dc for
> my master. I would also like to permanently live and work in Maryland or 
> dc!
> I love this mailing list so we can encourage one another since being
> blind is challenging. Some sighted people will be rude and not open 
> minded.
>
>
> Shikha.
>
>> On Sep 4, 2016, at 3:32 PM, David Moore via Faith-Talk
>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Shikha,
>> I will be praying for you as well to do well in school. When I went
>> to college, it took me longer to study and to do all of the work
>> because I was blind. It just takes longer to do the job, but the
>> results are still the same. I think a blind person can do much
>> better, because we have to remember and work with the material more
>> than a sighted person does. We can't just flip through a textbook and
>> high light what we want to cram into our mind right before a test. We 
>> have to prepare more and plan more.
>> Take care,
>> David Moore
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message----- From: Sarah Blake LaRose via Faith-Talk
>> Sent: Sunday, September 4, 2016 3:18 PM
>> To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
>> Cc: Sarah Blake LaRose
>> Subject: [Faith-talk] Shikha: classes
>>
>> Hi, Shikha.
>>
>> What classes are you taking this semester? You will be in my prayers.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Sarah Blake LaRose, M.Div., accessible instruction in biblical
>> languages Personal mail: sarah at sarahblakelarose.com
>> http://www.sarahblakelarose.com Info for seminaries and faith
>> communities: http://www.night-light.org -----Original Message----- 
>> From: Shikha via Faith-Talk
>> Sent: Sunday, September 04, 2016 2:46 PM
>> To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
>> Cc: Shikha
>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] {Spam?} Re: The Purpose of This List
>>
>> I will pray for everyone on this email  list!
>> Please pray for me too since all of my core classes are challenging
>> but manageable.
>> Please be kind to everyone!
>>
>>
>> Shikha.
>>
>>> On Sep 4, 2016, at 1:59 PM, Sarah Blake LaRose via Faith-Talk
>>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Some info here may be helpful. At least in some strains of Islam,
>>> English versions of the Quran are not considered to be
>>> accurate--perhaps Mostafa can explain this more thoroughly. The same
>>> is the case in Judaism--Torah is read in Hebrew, and there was a
>>> debate over a long time about whether a braille Hebrew Torah was
>>> considered a faithful representation of sacred text because the
>>> shape of the letters was considered to have as much spiritual 
>>> representation as the text itself.
>>>
>>> I will have more thoughts later about some of the topics raised this
>>> weekend. I am only online briefly today.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sarah Blake LaRose, M.Div., accessible instruction in biblical
>>> languages Personal mail: sarah at sarahblakelarose.com
>>> http://www.sarahblakelarose.com Info for seminaries and faith
>>> communities: http://www.night-light.org -----Original Message----- 
>>> From: debby via Faith-Talk
>>> Sent: Sunday, September 04, 2016 10:02 AM
>>> To: Sarah Blake LaRose via Faith-Talk
>>> Cc: debby
>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] The Purpose of This List
>>>
>>> I have seen a Braille Quran pardon my bad spelling, in Braille and I
>>> believe it was in English. I also know that the Mormons andthe
>>> Jehovah's Witnesses have material in braille, or at least they used
>>> to. My grandmother was a Jehovah's Witness and got me some braille 
>>> stuff.
>>>
>>> How sad for this Muslim woman. Whether I agree with Islam or not, a
>>> person ought to be a to get accessible material in English if that's
>>> their primary language, and either bhl or audible.     Blessings, Debby
>>>
>>>> On Sep 3, 2016 10:09 PM, Sarah Blake LaRose via Faith-Talk
>>>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> It would be helpful to me to understand the purpose of the list
>>>> (and the communities of faith division as well since I am new to
>>>> NFB). I know that the NFB has a division specifically for Jewish
>>>> members. Where do Muslims go in the There are valid reasons for
>>>> members of particular faith groups to come together to talk about
>>>> blindness and faith. In both the Christian and Jewish communities,
>>>> there are networks of service probiders where people go for their
>>>> literature needs, religious education help, accessibility awareness
>>>> training for faith communities, etc. I am not acquainted with any
>>>> providers of accessible material for blind Muslims in the United
>>>> States. I am, in fact, acquainted with some blind Muslims in the
>>>> United States.
>>>> One of
>>>> them told me she had a braille Quran in Arabic, but she did not
>>>> know how to read it and had nowhere to learn unless she went
>>>> overseas. Friends, this is not ok. Jews can learn Hebrew in the
>>>> United States. Christians can learn Hebrew and Greek if they want
>>>> to study the Bible in its languages. As a matter of fact, in
>>>> doctoral programs where people study biblical languages,
>>>> universities often encourage people to study Arabic so that the
>>>> linguistic structure can be compared with Hebrew.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sarah Blake LaRose, M.Div., accessible instruction in biblical
>>>> languages Personal mail: sarah at sarahblakelarose.com
>>>> http://www.sarahblakelarose.com Info for seminaries and faith
>>>> communities: http://www.night-light.org -----Original Message----- 
>>>> From: Brandon Olivares via Faith-Talk
>>>> Sent: Saturday, September 03, 2016 11:51 PM
>>>> To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
>>>> Cc: Brandon Olivares
>>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] The Purpose of This List
>>>>
>>>> I wouldn’t go that far. If Islamic topics are banned, then so
>>>> should be Christian topics. As David said, this is not a Christian
>>>> list. It is a list about faith.
>>>>
>>>> I agree Mostafa goes overboard, but there shouldn’t be a blanket
>>>> ban of Muslims posting. Your own opinions about Islam, or any other
>>>> faith, are exactly that: your opinions.
>>>>
>>>> Brandon
>>>> > On Sep 3, 2016, at 11:45 PM, Emanuel via Faith-Talk
>>>> > <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> > Amen please dont poste things about islam here Skickat från min
>>>> > kapsys
>>>> >
>>>> > Linda Mentink via Faith-Talk <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> skrev:
>>>> >
>>>> >> Hi All,
>>>> >>
>>>> >> I guess I need to post this again, even though it says it in the
>>>> >> header, and maybe the footer of all the messges.  This list is
>>>> >> for the discussion of faith and blindness.  Because I am a born
>>>> >> again believer in Christ, I have allowed prayer requests,
>>>> >> quotes, and articles that speak to listers who share them with
>>>> >> us.  I believe that it's important, especially in these last
>>>> >> days before Christ snatches His own away from this earth, to
>>>> >> support and encourage each other.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> As for Adam, he's been asked not to post his false teachings
>>>> >> here, but I can't stop him, and I can't unsubscribe him.  I
>>>> >> don't believe that he is blind, either.  The best thing to do
>>>> >> with his posts is to delete them without responding. The best
>>>> >> thing to do for him is to pray for his soul's salvation.  First,
>>>> >> though, he has to believe what the Bible says.  He believes that
>>>> >> he has had additional revelations, including that the exodus
>>>> >> hasn't happened, but will soon.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> As for Mostafa, he's a Muslim living in Egypt, and is blind, as
>>>> >> far as I know.  He just wants to post his Islamic propoganda,
>>>> >> and will not respond to anything we say in response.  He doesn't
>>>> >> count what we believe as important, and wants us to convert to
>>>> >> Islam.  So, do the same with his posts: delete them without
>>>> >> responding. Pray for the salvation of his soul.  His God is not
>>>> >> the one Christians worship.  Our God would not command us to
>>>> >> kill those who disagree with us about morality and the Bible,
>>>> >> but counts every life as precious because He created us all.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Anyway, this is still a free country, and people are free to
>>>> >> join and post to this list as long as they are respectful of all
>>>> >> the listers.  Use discretion.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Regards,
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Linda Mentink, List Moderator
>>>> >>
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