[Faith-talk] Shikha: classes

Tue Jan 3 23:40:14 UTC 2017

Catching up on email here. Sorry replying to an old message.  

Agree Debby that tech is not one size fits all. I think it would be great for folks who had vision at one time but now even a cctv is pretty useless. 

I know folks whoare blind that take your Opticon view towards Braille!  

David, i liked your sunday school note passing story! OCR can't do the reading like you did. 

Merry Christmas all & Happy 2017 by the eay. I spent a joyful & mostly untech holiday.

Peace!!

Ericka Short from my iPhone 6s

> On Sep 5, 2016, at 5:49 PM, debby via Faith-Talk <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi David, I'm glad that you like the Optacon. I have !say that I absolutely hated it. I couldn't stand the noise it made, and I couldn't stand the feel on my fingers. I was ready !throw the thing across the room. LOL. I guess not all technology is for everyone. That's great how you showed those kids that they couldn't flay tricks on you. ′Smile′.    Blessings,    Debby
> 
>> On Sep 5, 2016 3:13 PM, David Moore via Faith-Talk <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Ericka,
>> Thanks a lot. Let me know if you need help, because I can explain a concept 
>> in so many different ways so any person will understand it. I teach sunday 
>> school in church, and I take the materials they use and scan them with 
>> OpenBook onto my computer. I also use the KNFB reader a lot with the iPhone, 
>> so I can read something in church right on the spot. People give me rides to 
>> church, and they get my food for me at a pot luck. I record the music as it 
>> is being sung in church. I ask people with a loud voice, if I can place my 
>> recorder by them so I can take the tape home and memorize the words. They 
>> really get a kick out of it, and say that they feel like a super star having 
>> their singing recorded. I take notes of the sermon in Church with a note 
>> taker; that helps a lot. I take my technology to church just like I would to 
>> work or school. I use a Braille note, with the KNFB reader. I still use an 
>> Optacon, that I cannot imagine being without. One day, I teach 6th graders 
>> in Sunday school, I heard a piece of paper sliding across the table around 
>> me. I knew they were passing notes between each other. I took out my Optacon 
>> out of my bag, and they were silent as I read out loud what they had been 
>> writing and passing around. I can read a lot of people's hand writing with 
>> the Optacon. They have never done that again. I feel so sorry for those who 
>> have never had the oportunity to use an Optacon. You can feel the exact 
>> shape of the print that you roll the camera over. It is right on the spot 
>> reading in real time, and not having to depend on the OCR quality. I felt 
>> all of my math symbols with the Optacon and was able to read all of my math 
>> texts and science texts with the Optacon. Now, when I tutor, I know what 
>> every math symbol looks like in print, because I felt it with the Optacon. I 
>> can write a lot of math out for sighted people to read. I wish that the NFB 
>> would fight for an Optacon project to bring the Optacon back more than 
>> anything. For us who have used it, we all say that there is no current 
>> technology that will ever totally replace the Optacon. I cried when I heard 
>> that it would no longer be made. I really did. A lot of access to church 
>> materials would be solved with the Optacon, because you can roll the camera 
>> over any language or music, any symbols, and feel them. You can read 
>> absolutely anything with the Optacon. Only you are the limit. I think that 
>> it is really time for the NFB to do everything in their power to bring back 
>> the Optacon, because it would solve so many accessibility problems with 
>> math, science, languages, music, anything that is printed can be read with 
>> the Optacon.
>> Take care, Guys, How do I get a hold of the most important person about the 
>> Optacon LOL!
>> David Moore
>> 
>> -----Original Message----- 
>> From: Ericka via Faith-Talk
>> Sent: Monday, September 5, 2016 2:58 PM
>> To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
>> Cc: Ericka
>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Shikha: classes
>> 
>> Goodness I wish you were my math teacher! I really stink. It's not so much 
>> the concepts as the fact that being low vision I can't put things in the 
>> right slot. You know, when you have to do a Long division or algebraic stuff 
>> improve your work. I can't get things in the right order so they lineup and 
>> my numbers don't come out. They goodness for checkbook apps! I did pretty 
>> well in statistics with some help. Totally agree with you David that human 
>> beings are a blessing and shouldn't be thought of as a last resort. We're 
>> going to need them on the job and if they understand I working with us how 
>> we do things then leave educated later colleagues! Maybe future church 
>> members? We really don't know what a lot of people do after college. They go 
>> out into the wide world and by knowing us they understand why people a 
>> little bit better than the rest. I am very glad you brought up the point 
>> that sighted people need each other for help as well. They take rides from 
>> each other. Sighted people have tutors for classes. They babysit each 
>> other's kids. They pick up the mail for each other. They cook for each 
>> other. They commute to work! So why would it ever be wrong to ask someone to 
>> read something for us or help? It's our job to learn how to do things 
>> alternatively so we can return the favor rather than looking like we only 
>> need help.
>> 
>> Ericka Short
>> 1750 Fordem Ave. #508
>> Madison. WI. 53704
>> 608-665-3170
>> 
>> from my iPhone 6s
>> 
>>> On Sep 4, 2016, at 3:14 PM, David Moore via Faith-Talk 
>>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Wow, good for you, Shikha,
>>> My Degree was in mathematics, and I received my masters in mathematics 
>>> Education. I have my own math tutoring business. I live in Columbus, Ohio. 
>>> I have been to Maryland and DC, and the public transportation is so great. 
>>> The metro train is so clean and fast. I am so proud of you. It was hard, 
>>> because I attended The Ohio State University, and I lived in the dorm. I 
>>> had many sighted friends, but sometimes, they did not understand why I 
>>> could not have as much fun as they did LOL! I had to take more time 
>>> studying, and I had to work harder then my sighted friends did to get good 
>>> grades. I am blessed with a good mind, and I can memorize a lot of 
>>> information. That really helped me, because I did not have to write 
>>> everything down in Braille to remember it. I used audio tapes to learn 
>>> from by listening to them. Most of my learning was by listening to readers 
>>> and tapes. I went to school in the 1980s for my bachelorss, so there was 
>>> not near as much technology then. I had to use readers who would read the 
>>> book to me, and I would record them reading with a cassette recorder. Of 
>>> course, now, I would do things totally different. Many classes are 
>>> practically on line now, which would have been great for me, because I can 
>>> access everything over the computer with my screen reader and Braille 
>>> display. It is a different world now. I did get my masters in 2008, so I 
>>> got to use all of the current technology to get my masters. It was 
>>> beautiful to go to school at totally different times. One time in the 
>>> 1980s, and the second time to get my masters in 2008. I was able to be in 
>>> school when there was not all of the technology, and I was able to go to 
>>> school with all of the technology. I think that all of the new technology 
>>> has not replaced having readers, and taking advantage of help that people 
>>> can give you instead of a OCR package or screen reader. No technology can 
>>> replace people, and that concerns me a little. It is not wrong to depend 
>>> on others to help you when you are blind. Even sighted people need a lot 
>>> of help from others. I encourage you to use all technology available to 
>>> you, but don't be afraid to ask for help from others when you need it. We 
>>> all need each other, no matter if we are blind or sighted. Five classes is 
>>> a lot. The most classes I took at one time was four classes.
>>> David Moore
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message----- From: Shikha via Faith-Talk
>>> Sent: Sunday, September 4, 2016 3:53 PM
>>> To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
>>> Cc: Shikha
>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Shikha: classes
>>> 
>>> I am a jr and taking core classes. Five social work classes.
>>> My major is social work and I would like to move to Maryland or dc for my 
>>> master. I would also like to permanently live and work in Maryland or dc!
>>> I love this mailing list so we can encourage one another since being blind 
>>> is challenging. Some sighted people will be rude and not open minded.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Shikha.
>>> 
>>>> On Sep 4, 2016, at 3:32 PM, David Moore via Faith-Talk 
>>>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi Shikha,
>>>> I will be praying for you as well to do well in school. When I went to 
>>>> college, it took me longer to study and to do all of the work because I 
>>>> was blind. It just takes longer to do the job, but the results are still 
>>>> the same. I think a blind person can do much better, because we have to 
>>>> remember and work with the material more than a sighted person does. We 
>>>> can't just flip through a textbook and high light what we want to cram 
>>>> into our mind right before a test. We have to prepare more and plan more.
>>>> Take care,
>>>> David Moore
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Sarah Blake LaRose via Faith-Talk
>>>> Sent: Sunday, September 4, 2016 3:18 PM
>>>> To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
>>>> Cc: Sarah Blake LaRose
>>>> Subject: [Faith-talk] Shikha: classes
>>>> 
>>>> Hi, Shikha.
>>>> 
>>>> What classes are you taking this semester? You will be in my prayers.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Sarah Blake LaRose, M.Div., accessible instruction in biblical languages
>>>> Personal mail: sarah at sarahblakelarose.com
>>>> http://www.sarahblakelarose.com
>>>> Info for seminaries and faith communities: http://www.night-light.org
>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Shikha via Faith-Talk
>>>> Sent: Sunday, September 04, 2016 2:46 PM
>>>> To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
>>>> Cc: Shikha
>>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] {Spam?} Re: The Purpose of This List
>>>> 
>>>> I will pray for everyone on this email  list!
>>>> Please pray for me too since all of my core classes are challenging but
>>>> manageable.
>>>> Please be kind to everyone!
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Shikha.
>>>> 
>>>>> On Sep 4, 2016, at 1:59 PM, Sarah Blake LaRose via Faith-Talk 
>>>>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Some info here may be helpful. At least in some strains of Islam, 
>>>>> English versions of the Quran are not considered to be accurate--perhaps 
>>>>> Mostafa can explain this more thoroughly. The same is the case in 
>>>>> Judaism--Torah is read in Hebrew, and there was a debate over a long 
>>>>> time about whether a braille Hebrew Torah was considered a faithful 
>>>>> representation of sacred text because the shape of the letters was 
>>>>> considered to have as much spiritual representation as the text itself.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I will have more thoughts later about some of the topics raised this 
>>>>> weekend. I am only online briefly today.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sarah Blake LaRose, M.Div., accessible instruction in biblical languages
>>>>> Personal mail: sarah at sarahblakelarose.com
>>>>> http://www.sarahblakelarose.com
>>>>> Info for seminaries and faith communities: http://www.night-light.org
>>>>> -----Original Message----- From: debby via Faith-Talk
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, September 04, 2016 10:02 AM
>>>>> To: Sarah Blake LaRose via Faith-Talk
>>>>> Cc: debby
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] The Purpose of This List
>>>>> 
>>>>> I have seen a Braille Quran pardon my bad spelling, in Braille and I 
>>>>> believe it was in English. I also know that the Mormons andthe Jehovah's 
>>>>> Witnesses have material in braille, or at least they used to. My 
>>>>> grandmother was a Jehovah's Witness and got me some braille stuff.
>>>>> 
>>>>> How sad for this Muslim woman. Whether I agree with Islam or not, a 
>>>>> person ought to be a to get accessible material in English if that's 
>>>>> their primary language, and either bhl or audible.     Blessings, Debby
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Sep 3, 2016 10:09 PM, Sarah Blake LaRose via Faith-Talk 
>>>>>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> It would be helpful to me to understand the purpose of the list (and 
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> communities of faith division as well since I am new to NFB). I know 
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> the NFB has a division specifically for Jewish members. Where do 
>>>>>> Muslims go
>>>>>> in the There are valid reasons for members of particular faith groups 
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> come together to talk about blindness and faith. In both the Christian 
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> Jewish communities, there are networks of service probiders where 
>>>>>> people go
>>>>>> for their literature needs, religious education help, accessibility
>>>>>> awareness training for faith communities, etc. I am not acquainted with 
>>>>>> any
>>>>>> providers of accessible material for blind Muslims in the United 
>>>>>> States. I
>>>>>> am, in fact, acquainted with some blind Muslims in the United States. 
>>>>>> One of
>>>>>> them told me she had a braille Quran in Arabic, but she did not know 
>>>>>> how to
>>>>>> read it and had nowhere to learn unless she went overseas. Friends, 
>>>>>> this is
>>>>>> not ok. Jews can learn Hebrew in the United States. Christians can 
>>>>>> learn
>>>>>> Hebrew and Greek if they want to study the Bible in its languages. As a
>>>>>> matter of fact, in doctoral programs where people study biblical 
>>>>>> languages,
>>>>>> universities often encourage people to study Arabic so that the 
>>>>>> linguistic
>>>>>> structure can be compared with Hebrew.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Sarah Blake LaRose, M.Div., accessible instruction in biblical 
>>>>>> languages
>>>>>> Personal mail: sarah at sarahblakelarose.com
>>>>>> http://www.sarahblakelarose.com
>>>>>> Info for seminaries and faith communities: http://www.night-light.org
>>>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Brandon Olivares via Faith-Talk
>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, September 03, 2016 11:51 PM
>>>>>> To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
>>>>>> Cc: Brandon Olivares
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] The Purpose of This List
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I wouldn’t go that far. If Islamic topics are banned, then so should be
>>>>>> Christian topics. As David said, this is not a Christian list. It is a 
>>>>>> list
>>>>>> about faith.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I agree Mostafa goes overboard, but there shouldn’t be a blanket ban of
>>>>>> Muslims posting. Your own opinions about Islam, or any other faith, are
>>>>>> exactly that: your opinions.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Brandon
>>>>>>> On Sep 3, 2016, at 11:45 PM, Emanuel via Faith-Talk
>>>>>>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Amen please dont poste things about islam here
>>>>>>> Skickat från min kapsys
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Linda Mentink via Faith-Talk <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> skrev:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Hi All,
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I guess I need to post this again, even though it says it in the
>>>>>>>> header, and maybe the footer of all the messges.  This list is
>>>>>>>> for the discussion of faith and blindness.  Because I am a born
>>>>>>>> again believer in Christ, I have allowed prayer requests, quotes,
>>>>>>>> and articles that speak to listers who share them with us.  I
>>>>>>>> believe that it's important, especially in these last days before
>>>>>>>> Christ snatches His own away from this earth, to support and
>>>>>>>> encourage each other.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> As for Adam, he's been asked not to post his false teachings
>>>>>>>> here, but I can't stop him, and I can't unsubscribe him.  I don't
>>>>>>>> believe that he is blind, either.  The best thing to do with his
>>>>>>>> posts is to delete them without responding. The best thing to do
>>>>>>>> for him is to pray for his soul's salvation.  First, though, he
>>>>>>>> has to believe what the Bible says.  He believes that he has had
>>>>>>>> additional revelations, including that the exodus hasn't
>>>>>>>> happened, but will soon.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> As for Mostafa, he's a Muslim living in Egypt, and is blind, as
>>>>>>>> far as I know.  He just wants to post his Islamic propoganda, and
>>>>>>>> will not respond to anything we say in response.  He doesn't
>>>>>>>> count what we believe as important, and wants us to convert to
>>>>>>>> Islam.  So, do the same with his posts: delete them without
>>>>>>>> responding. Pray for the salvation of his soul.  His God is not
>>>>>>>> the one Christians worship.  Our God would not command us to kill
>>>>>>>> those who disagree with us about morality and the Bible, but
>>>>>>>> counts every life as precious because He created us all.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Anyway, this is still a free country, and people are free to join
>>>>>>>> and post to this list as long as they are respectful of all the
>>>>>>>> listers.  Use discretion.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Linda Mentink, List Moderator
>>>>>>>> 
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