[Faith-talk] Dilemma

[Christine Olivares]

Ashely,
I’m going to try my best to explain. First of all, you are not Catholic. Furthermore, of course you aren’t hurt by what was said. The point is people that are Catholic were very hurt and discouraged, and it is answers like yours that discourage Brandon and others from posting. Instead of being defensive, why not take to heart what others say and have empathy? You didn’t see a backlash, but others were hurt, and frankly that’s all that matters. If you don’t see why, then I would suggest reexamining yourself and put your own judgements aside and be understanding toward others that were hurt. There is no need to move on if people are still hurt. Healing takes time, and we can’t have members dismissing what others are saying. I don’t believe that is very Christ-like.

Yes, Brandon is correct. This list is like the elite Christian club, and non-Christians be d***ed if they don’t believe what we do. There are people that do evangelize, and people like my husband are discouraged from posting. Why on earth would he post if he doesn’t feel welcome? Why would he post if he doesn’t feel support? ISn’t that what this list is for?

Ashley, instead of saying what you did, why not say you are sorry he has been hurt? Wouldn’t that be more Christ-like? Sorry if I come across as mean, but words are very powerful and can really hurt. Please be careful how you phrase things because you could do damage. I’m speaking to myself even, because like you, I’m not always great at being empathetic. I’m not always great at tact either. So let’s all be careful.

God bless,
Christine
> On Jun 28, 2017, at 10:40 PM, Ashley Bramlett via Faith-Talk <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Brandon,
> 
> All I'll say is that if you did not like the posts here or want something different, you might ask some of your own questions or  pose your own experiences.
> 
> I think the list member causing some controversy already said he'd watch what he'd say. I think we can move on.
> There is always the delete key too if you hate how a particular member posts. If you feel stuff needs to change, it also is a good idea to voice your concerns and suggestions to the conference calls monthly. Talking about it will be much more helpful than emailing.
> 
> 
> And, I never saw any backlash against Catholics. If a member states their beliefs or opinion, its not meant as an attack on Catholics. We should not take stuff so personally.
> I've seen worse on other nfb lists. I've seen personal attacks on many lists. Sometimes listers on nabs-l will keep telling another member to learn braille if they ask a question as if this will solve all their issues, even when the lister explained they have problems learning braille or simply feel that as an older blind student that braille is not for them for studying due to the lack of efficiency with it.
> 
> I am busy tomorrow but might check and reply to the list tomorrow night.
> I hope we can get some new conversations going.
> 
> Ashley
> 
> 
> -----Original Message----- From: Brandon Olivares via Faith-Talk
> Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2017 10:24 PM
> To: Faith-talk, for the discussion of Blindness in faith and religion
> Cc: Brandon Olivares
> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Dilemma
> 
> Regarding the list, I just have to say that as a non-Christian, I'm super uncomfortable on this list. If a Catholic can get that kind of backlash from the list, then what would I, as a Pagan, receive?
> 
> i've considered unsubscribing many, many times, and honestly the only reason i don't is out of stubbornness. I believe this should be an inter-faith list, including all religions. If I left this list, there would be no voice for non-Christians.
> 
> I agree with some of the others that some boundaries were seriously crossed. I don't think this sort of behavior should be tolerated.
> 
> Brandon
>> On Jun 28, 2017, at 9:53 PM, debby phillips via Faith-Talk <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
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>> Hi there! I don't think that I have ever seen the Constitution either. I just remember when I was first on the list and there were some folks that were not Christian on the list. They eventually left. I am hoping that I do not sound angry or accusing, I'm just trying to make a point, and it doesn't feel to me like I'm being heard. So thank you!    Debby
>> On Jun 28, 2017 11:47 AM, Ericka via Faith-Talk <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
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>>> I felt the same way at times Debbie. And many of us have never seen the original constitution of the division. Perhaps this needs to be discussed not only at the national convention but on the phone line call in thing. Many of us can't attend convention or be at the meeting.
>>> 
>>> Ericka Short
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