[Faith-talk] Dilemma

Thu Jun 29 04:09:10 UTC 2017

Oops, got Tom's name wrong. LOL. His real name is Miles Tom Anderson. I think I said Tom Miles. A senior moment. Been having those lately. LOL. When I had my gallbla.er removed when I was 50, the nurse said that 50 was the time folks start falling apart. Wow. Then she laughed. I laughed too, but there could be something to that. Well, gotta go. I'm teaching at one of the Bell Academies in Idaho this week, and I need to jet to bed. 
On Jun 28, 2017 9:03 PM, Brandon Olivares <programmer2188 at gmail.com> wrote:
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> Thanks so much, Debby. That means a lot. :) 
> > On Jun 29, 2017, at 12:00 AM, semisweetdebby at gmail.com wrote: 
> > 
> > Hi Brandon, I hope that I have never treated you with the disrespect I feel coming from the list. If I ever did, I totally apologize and ask your forgiveness. Only a few of us renegades see what is happening, I guess. I do remember when I first subscribed to the list there were some other folks who were not Christian, and I can see how they felt attacked and like the list was not what it should be. I know Tom Miles the President, and he will not do anything to change this. I don't think, anyway. Perhaps I'm judging him and making presumptions that I shouldn't. Anyway, take care of yourself, and I hope that someday I will get to meet you and Christine.    Warmly,    Debby 
> > On Jun 28, 2017 7:57 PM, Brandon Olivares via Faith-Talk <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote: 
> >> 
> >> It's not just one member, but an overall attitude that's been pervasive here for a long time. So it's understandable if I'd get a bit discouraged from posting. 
> >> 
> >> Moreover, you didn't see a backlash? Then I think you didn't read the messages, as I'm unsure how else it could be labeled. 
> >> 
> >> Brandon 
> >>> On Jun 28, 2017, at 10:40 PM, Ashley Bramlett via Faith-Talk <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote: 
> >>> 
> >>> Brandon, 
> >>> 
> >>> All I'll say is that if you did not like the posts here or want something different, you might ask some of your own questions or  pose your own experiences. 
> >>> 
> >>> I think the list member causing some controversy already said he'd watch what he'd say. I think we can move on. 
> >>> There is always the delete key too if you hate how a particular member posts. If you feel stuff needs to change, it also is a good idea to voice your concerns and suggestions to the conference calls monthly. Talking about it will be much more helpful than emailing. 
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> And, I never saw any backlash against Catholics. If a member states their beliefs or opinion, its not meant as an attack on Catholics. We should not take stuff so personally. 
> >>> I've seen worse on other nfb lists. I've seen personal attacks on many lists. Sometimes listers on nabs-l will keep telling another member to learn braille if they ask a question as if this will solve all their issues, even when the lister explained they have problems learning braille or simply feel that as an older blind student that braille is not for them for studying due to the lack of efficiency with it. 
> >>> 
> >>> I am busy tomorrow but might check and reply to the list tomorrow night. 
> >>> I hope we can get some new conversations going. 
> >>> 
> >>> Ashley 
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> -----Original Message----- From: Brandon Olivares via Faith-Talk 
> >>> Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2017 10:24 PM 
> >>> To: Faith-talk, for the discussion of Blindness in faith and religion 
> >>> Cc: Brandon Olivares 
> >>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Dilemma 
> >>> 
> >>> Regarding the list, I just have to say that as a non-Christian, I'm super uncomfortable on this list. If a Catholic can get that kind of backlash from the list, then what would I, as a Pagan, receive? 
> >>> 
> >>> i've considered unsubscribing many, many times, and honestly the only reason i don't is out of stubbornness. I believe this should be an inter-faith list, including all religions. If I left this list, there would be no voice for non-Christians. 
> >>> 
> >>> I agree with some of the others that some boundaries were seriously crossed. I don't think this sort of behavior should be tolerated. 
> >>> 
> >>> Brandon 
> >>>> On Jun 28, 2017, at 9:53 PM, debby phillips via Faith-Talk <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote: 
> >>>> 
> >>>> Hi there! I don't think that I have ever seen the Constitution either. I just remember when I was first on the list and there were some folks that were not Christian on the list. They eventually left. I am hoping that I do not sound angry or accusing, I'm just trying to make a point, and it doesn't feel to me like I'm being heard. So thank you!    Debby 
> >>>> On Jun 28, 2017 11:47 AM, Ericka via Faith-Talk <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote: 
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> I felt the same way at times Debbie. And many of us have never seen the original constitution of the division. Perhaps this needs to be discussed not only at the national convention but on the phone line call in thing. Many of us can't attend convention or be at the meeting. 
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> Ericka Short 
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