[Faith-talk] For Catholics with special needs, areligiouseducation that includes | USCatholic.org

David Moore jesusloves1966 at gmail.com
Wed May 24 01:24:42 UTC 2017 

Yes,
I have a lot of fun worshiping the Lord, and being encouraged by others to live the Christian life, but I am talking about people enjoying the instruments in the band, thing it is cool to wear heavy metel shirts, and the like. I once was in a church where everyone lit up a smoke right after the service. I start coughing LOL! The entire room was full of smoke LOL! This was before smoking was banned inside. People swore and said we are just sinners. And There was even beer at parties in the church LOL! People were getting drunk right in the church building LOL! The church was call Xenos, the latton word for fellowship. Bible studies were lead by college students who had just come to Christ. They told the others that it was okay to have sex while just dating all you want, and if you loved each other, sex was fine even if you were just dating. 
David Moore
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From: Ericka via Faith-Talk
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Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] For Catholics with special needs, areligiouseducation that includes | USCatholic.org

Well, you should be happy to attend so fun is ok. There's a big difference between having fun because you spent time with the Lord and later  enjoy chatting & coffee with someone who also cherishes the Lord vs. The rush of adrenaline that comes with a rock band concert. That's also a reason I am very picky about praise and worship songs. If you can't figure out the lyrics then it probably could be saying anything. There's a very different feeling when the Lord stimulates your heart versus the pump of adrenaline. You remember the feeling from the Lord a lot longer!

That's why any church that doesn't have communion every week is off my list. I feel so close to him, just as Debi says. 

Ericka Short
 from my iPhone 6+

> On May 23, 2017, at 5:18 PM, David Moore via Faith-Talk <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> What I see happening in the church, is that the Church is taken on the trends of the world. Jesus never changes, and is the same yesterday, today, and forever. Jesus does not change with the times. The trends of the world has entered the church of God. I have been to many large wild churches over the years where there is a rock band. It is just like a consert, and I do not feel close to the Lord or sense the Holy Spirit at all. I have asked many melennials why they like their church, and they say it is a lot of fun. God does not want us to go to church, because it is fun LOL!
> David Moore
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> From: Jenny Keller via Faith-Talk
> Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 8:50 AM
> To: Faith-talk, for the discussion of Blindness in faith and religion
> Cc: Jenny Keller
> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] For Catholics with special needs, a religiouseducation that includes | USCatholic.org
> 
> You're right, most of the churches that do that here or Assembly of God. There's one nondenominational that's like that and that's the biggest church of them all here. I mean serious mega church. I went there to vote one time and man oh man. I had to have serious guidance to get even to the polling place.
> 
> Actually, I was told, and it's true, that it used to be a mall so that's how it is.
> 
> 
> Jenny
> 
>> On May 22, 2017, at 4:31 PM, Ericka via Faith-Talk <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Yeah I've heard of those places. Some of the Assembly of God churches is crazy like that. Whatever makes a millennial happy I guess but my question is in the end are these people showing up for the right reasons and are they really getting the message so that they live their lives for the Lord rather than for selfish reasons? Some days I wonder if they go out there for a date hook up, A job connection, or some Starbucks Joe. Seems like there are too many fickle people that just leave church, family, or friends for selfish reasons these days. There always good reasons to leave like abuse and such, but if you don't like the music that's playing or you don't like how somebody makes the coffee at church doesn't mean you want to walk out and find another church. It just means you need to be more participatory and make the coffee yourself some times. I know people that aren't disable that just left the church because they didn't like the fact that a congregation didn't have a certain type of program for their kids. If your kids would enjoy children's choir and your church doesn't have it, then tell the congregation and help make that happen! We've been talking about generations changing and this is just something that bugs me about our culture. 
>> 
>> Ericka Short
>> 1750 Fordem Ave. #508
>> Madison. WI. 53704
>> 608-665-3170
>> 
>> from my iPhone 6+
>> 
>>> On May 22, 2017, at 1:59 PM, Jenny Keller via Faith-Talk <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Oh, I didn't mean the kids in the autism spectrum spectrum with the rock concert I just meant the whole Sunday school and church for them. I was just saying the whole church experience at Rockford first is a full blown rock party. Stage lighting, like perfect music, the whole 9 yards in fact, if you didn't know better, you wouldn't realize it was a band. They are not perfect
>>> 
>>> Plus, there's a coffee bar. Really
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Jenny
>>> 
>>>> On May 22, 2017, at 10:49 AM, Ericka via Faith-Talk <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Wow that is interesting Jenny!  Do the kids get a full concert instead of rock 'n' roll? LOL autism spectrum usually means at least touch and sound sensitivity. Sandra please chime in here!
>>>> 
>>>> Ericka Short
>>>> from my iPhone 6+
>>>> 
>>>>> On May 22, 2017, at 8:57 AM, Jenny Keller via Faith-Talk <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> There is a mega church in Rockford called Rockford Memorial and I do mean mega church.
>>>>> 
>>>>> They have a ministry and I Sunday school plan for strictly autistic children. Actually, I think it's a whole Sunday school plus church service.
>>>>> 
>>>>> But, it's interesting because their services at the church in general are like rock concert.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Jenny
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On May 21, 2017, at 8:13 PM, Ericka via Faith-Talk <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> That's really great Ashley! I know one church called Monroe Bible church that does have some or used to have anyway some kind of ministry for disabled kids. A friend of mine from school before that I grew up with got that started. He is epileptic and diabetic. Like us, he felt that people with disabilities the belong. 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Ericka Short
>>>>>> from my iPhone 6+
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On May 21, 2017, at 5:20 PM, Ashley Bramlett via Faith-Talk <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Ericka,
>>>>>>> One of the big non denominational churches here has a transit ministry.
>>>>>>> Many around here have a ministry to people with disabilities and I would imagine someone from that ministry group would give a blind person a ride.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Ashley
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Ericka via Faith-Talk
>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2017 4:44 PM
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>>>>>>> Cc: Ericka
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] For Catholics with special needs, a religious education that includes | USCatholic.org
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Ashley--
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Never heard of any church having transit related ministry. I've gone to big & small nondenominational churches.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Tried to get my old lutheran church to do that. They said "so & so picks up this & that old lady. Why do we need that?" Disability talk went over heads. :-(
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Ericka Short
>>>>>>> from my iPhone 6+
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On May 20, 2017, at 10:10 PM, Ashley Bramlett via Faith-Talk <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Justin,
>>>>>>>> how sad. what kind of church was this?
>>>>>>>> Some churches have a transportation coordinator or access ministry to people with disabilities. They are usually the larger churches; often non denominational. If some of you need a church home or need one with transit, you  might try that.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> There is a very large non denominational church here near tysons corner.
>>>>>>>> which has a transportation ministry; they pick people up from the metro and I think other places.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> If you are in the area visit Mclean Bible church. Its too big for me plus the access issue of lyrics on big screens.
>>>>>>>> But they attract a diverse group of people including some blind people so it might work for you.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Ashley
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Justin Williams via Faith-Talk
>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, May 19, 2017 4:57 PM
>>>>>>>> To: 'Faith-talk, for the discussion of Blindness in faith and religion'
>>>>>>>> Cc: Justin Williams
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] For Catholics with special needs, a religious education that includes | USCatholic.org
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I had a 5000 member church tell me that no one could come pick me up to come
>>>>>>>> to church.  The church looked like a castle with huge front glass windows,
>>>>>>>> and I kid you not, had an elevator in the church.  But,  no one could come
>>>>>>>> pikc me up for church?
>>>>>>>> Wow.
>>>>>>>> Justin
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: Faith-Talk [mailto:faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jenny
>>>>>>>> Keller via Faith-Talk
>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, May 19, 2017 4:34 PM
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>>>>>>>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>> Cc: Jenny Keller <jlperdue3 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] For Catholics with special needs, a religious
>>>>>>>> education that includes | USCatholic.org
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Hi all, having one in the Catholic or year. I think it's interesting people
>>>>>>>> the article special needs special needs special needs it has every thing but
>>>>>>>> lightness and yes a different special needs his mental and physical
>>>>>>>> situation why this is a whole Nother beast. And people tend to forget that.
>>>>>>>> Hence why we have to pay crap load the money for him though.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Also, I don't see one of the richest churches in the universe helping pay
>>>>>>>> for the him situation, or most definitely the transit situation which blind
>>>>>>>> people having difficulty with. I can't afford to pay for paratransit to take
>>>>>>>> me to choir practice, in fact, when I audition and was asked to be in the
>>>>>>>> choir choir director told me that I was not going to be able to ask anyone
>>>>>>>> for help in transportation in the choir in fact his words were don't expect
>>>>>>>> anyone to help you get to and from from the choir. And I'm sorry, that's a
>>>>>>>> little different.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> It seems is this the special-needs situation there seem to be more
>>>>>>>> activities and abilities. Also on the other hand.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Again, I'm not bashing the church. I'm just telling you what I have seen in
>>>>>>>> several cities in my life
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Jenny
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On May 19, 2017, at 1:26 PM, Ericka via Faith-Talk <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Felt this was a good article to share. No I'm not Catholic, I very much
>>>>>>>> respect this pope and wish everyone clung to his words.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> http://www.uscatholic.org/articles/201704/catholics-special-needs-religious-
>>>>>>>> education-includes-30990
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Ericka Short
>>>>>>>>> 1750 Fordem Ave. #508
>>>>>>>>> Madison. WI. 53704
>>>>>>>>> 608-665-3170
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> from my iPhone 6+
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