[Faith-talk] Reasons to go to Church!

Sun Sep 3 22:48:06 UTC 2017

From: "Don Moore via Bible_chat" <bible_chat at donaldmoore.org>
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Subject: [Bible_chat] Gimme that 'Ol Time Religion?

> Gimme that 'Ol Time Religion?
>
> John P. Warren
>
> Posted: Sep 02, 2017
>
> So secular have we become that in about ten years, nearly half of those 
> who
> used to attend church, temple, or synagogue, have found other gods. In
> Europe's march away from an Almighty over the past hundred years, 
> Americans
> have somehow not noticed what such "progress" has gained for them.
>
> All of this must warm the hearts of Progressive strategists as they work 
> to
> make the state a better god than the Eternal One, a god that bestows 
> favors,
> monies, free stuff, and rights to bully others while taking away our 
> natural
> law liberties.
>
> Once, we rallied 'round a flag to set men free, the song said, as we
> "builded Him an altar in a thousand dews and damps." Faith and freedom go
> hand in hand, our Founders-and all of us used to understand-but what 'ol
> time religion would we seek today?
>
> We cannot cling to one in which slavery and violence are seen as blessed 
> by
> God, and nearly all of us shun a belief set claiming a right to slaughter
> those considered infidels. Surely, we can allow no religion to be a klaxon
> for racial supremacy. It's discomfiting to admit, however, that bigotry,
> intolerance, and ignorance seem to have travelled well from those historic
> generations to our own, and in some quarters, they still infect everyday
> life.
>
> On the other hand, that ol' time religion had something we desperately 
> need
> today-a notion of boundaries, of lines we oughtn't cross. Some needed to 
> be
> challenged, of course, and we survived to right ourselves, struggling 
> always
> for greater civilization. Today, however, Progressives push us to live as 
> a
> nation without borders, without social boundaries of any kind, which is to
> say we would become no nation at all. The present nation-rending discord
> should convince us a society with limitless freedoms is little different
> than anarchy.
>
> Before the Ten Commandments, the world had little codified order. There 
> was
> the fabled Code of Hammurabi, but earlier attempts were ad hoc kingly 
> rules
> having little to do with a moral order. What Moses presented to the Jews 
> was
> a set of rules-several hundred, actually-that allowed the people to exist 
> in
> some semblance of moral harmony. Yet, while Moses was on Sinai, the people
> fell to Mammon, the false god.
>
> Mammon could not provide what the Commandments did, the bedrock foundation
> for western civilization's common and black-letter law. Over the 
> centuries,
> we have been attempting to civilize ourselves-ever so slowly-with the
> Commandments as our compass. Though we have often been less than noble in
> our quest, can anyone imagine society without, "Thou shalt not kill"? Can 
> we
> think of ourselves without another commandment, the one to love thy
> neighbor?
>
> Some want to do more than imagine it. Over the past, say, seventy-five
> years, there's been a slow, steady erosion of our foundational norms as
> Progressives succeed in moving us closer to the abyss, an anything-goes 
> void
> where their form of fascism will fill the vacuum. President Trump was not
> incorrect when he said the next icons to fall would be Jefferson, then
> Washington. Eventually, Progressives will get to Lincoln, after the
> Alt-State-the media, academia, Hollywood-indicts him for his more 
> inelegant
> statements about race. What will happen to "In God We Trust" on our
> currency? To, "So help me, God," in our courthouses?
>
> Yet, Alt-State Progressives will never attack Margaret Sanger for her 
> truly
> racist "Negro Project" in the 1930s, or for her Klan speech(es) in the
> 1920s. Will they ever censure Wilson and FDR for their racist 
> inclinations?
> Will they vilify the Clintons for having certified DOMA, until it was
> inexpedient to do so? Will they disown an Obama who incited more racial
> discord than David Duke could ever have done? Will they condemn
> pronouncements of white-hatred from self-appointed spokespersons of other
> races? Those would be inconvenient truths, but the most inconvenient truth
> of all is this: Progressive thought-leaders thrive on discord and do
> whatever they can to foment it.
>
> Just as some argue Obamian excesses gave the pendulum it's counter-swing 
> to
> Trump, the Berkeley-Middlebury-Academic fascistic excesses helped pop the
> pimple of white supremacy. Today's Mammons of endless entertainment,
> mind-numbing political nastiness, fake news and fake history, of rampant
> secularism, indulgent excess, electronic gods and goddesses, all ensure 
> our
> careen to oblivion will be one we will not notice-until it's too late.
>
> We are better with boundaries-and yes, borders-which lay bare hypocrites 
> who
> pretend to justice while abominations like third-term abortion, Benghazi,
> Sanctuary Cities, and other official lawlessness are excused in the swamp 
> of
> governance. If only we could live in a time where people do not inflict
> their aberrations on the populace, where daily work is an expectation 
> rather
> than an exception.
>
> The alternative is the real Ol' Time Religion-that faith in freedom from a
> loving, but unforgetting Almighty God who wants us to become the most
> civilized people an ordered liberty allows, where we live free of racial 
> and
> religious discord, where the commandments anchor us in a truly just
> society.
>
> What's at stake is our still fledgling struggle toward true civilization.
> The alternative is a desperate reach toward a "New & Improved" fascism
> against which revolt is inevitable. In this one nation under God, we have
> been nurtured to build that City on a Hill, and one can only hope the
> Almighty hasn't decided the better alternative is, "trampling out the
> vintage where the grapes of wrath are stored."
>
>
> https://townhall.com/columnists/johnpwarren/2017/09/02/gimme-that-ol-time-re
> ligion-n2376238?utm_source=thdaily&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=nl&newslett
> erad=
>
>
>
>
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I find it very disturbing that people go to church for all the wrong 
reasons.  It's not like it once was.  I agree with the social aspect but 
when it takes the place of the purpose for worshipp I have a major problem 
with that.

I also have a problem with some churches that don't take the stand that all 
are welcome in his place.  They have to make it known either at the pulpit 
or bulletin that some are welcome.  It's sad.

In my previous church every time I turned around there was a special 
offering for something.  People were asked to give outside the offering for 
differen t causes.

I don't believe that all this other stuff have a place in the church.

I changed churches about a year and a half ago for some of these reasons. 
They have never had a special offering.  If there is a cause it's downplayed 
and a matter of choice.

Florence

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From: "Don Moore via Bible_chat" <bible_chat at donaldmoore.org>
Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2017 3:26 PM
To: "'A list for Bible based discussion'" <bible_chat at donaldmoore.org>
Cc: "Don Moore" <moore at donaldmoore.org>
Subject: [Bible_chat] Gimme that 'Ol Time Religion?

> Gimme that 'Ol Time Religion?
>
> John P. Warren
>
> Posted: Sep 02, 2017
>
> So secular have we become that in about ten years, nearly half of those 
> who
> used to attend church, temple, or synagogue, have found other gods. In
> Europe's march away from an Almighty over the past hundred years, 
> Americans
> have somehow not noticed what such "progress" has gained for them.
>
> All of this must warm the hearts of Progressive strategists as they work 
> to
> make the state a better god than the Eternal One, a god that bestows 
> favors,
> monies, free stuff, and rights to bully others while taking away our 
> natural
> law liberties.
>
> Once, we rallied 'round a flag to set men free, the song said, as we
> "builded Him an altar in a thousand dews and damps." Faith and freedom go
> hand in hand, our Founders-and all of us used to understand-but what 'ol
> time religion would we seek today?
>
> We cannot cling to one in which slavery and violence are seen as blessed 
> by
> God, and nearly all of us shun a belief set claiming a right to slaughter
> those considered infidels. Surely, we can allow no religion to be a klaxon
> for racial supremacy. It's discomfiting to admit, however, that bigotry,
> intolerance, and ignorance seem to have travelled well from those historic
> generations to our own, and in some quarters, they still infect everyday
> life.
>
> On the other hand, that ol' time religion had something we desperately 
> need
> today-a notion of boundaries, of lines we oughtn't cross. Some needed to 
> be
> challenged, of course, and we survived to right ourselves, struggling 
> always
> for greater civilization. Today, however, Progressives push us to live as 
> a
> nation without borders, without social boundaries of any kind, which is to
> say we would become no nation at all. The present nation-rending discord
> should convince us a society with limitless freedoms is little different
> than anarchy.
>
> Before the Ten Commandments, the world had little codified order. There 
> was
> the fabled Code of Hammurabi, but earlier attempts were ad hoc kingly 
> rules
> having little to do with a moral order. What Moses presented to the Jews 
> was
> a set of rules-several hundred, actually-that allowed the people to exist 
> in
> some semblance of moral harmony. Yet, while Moses was on Sinai, the people
> fell to Mammon, the false god.
>
> Mammon could not provide what the Commandments did, the bedrock foundation
> for western civilization's common and black-letter law. Over the 
> centuries,
> we have been attempting to civilize ourselves-ever so slowly-with the
> Commandments as our compass. Though we have often been less than noble in
> our quest, can anyone imagine society without, "Thou shalt not kill"? Can 
> we
> think of ourselves without another commandment, the one to love thy
> neighbor?
>
> Some want to do more than imagine it. Over the past, say, seventy-five
> years, there's been a slow, steady erosion of our foundational norms as
> Progressives succeed in moving us closer to the abyss, an anything-goes 
> void
> where their form of fascism will fill the vacuum. President Trump was not
> incorrect when he said the next icons to fall would be Jefferson, then
> Washington. Eventually, Progressives will get to Lincoln, after the
> Alt-State-the media, academia, Hollywood-indicts him for his more 
> inelegant
> statements about race. What will happen to "In God We Trust" on our
> currency? To, "So help me, God," in our courthouses?
>
> Yet, Alt-State Progressives will never attack Margaret Sanger for her 
> truly
> racist "Negro Project" in the 1930s, or for her Klan speech(es) in the
> 1920s. Will they ever censure Wilson and FDR for their racist 
> inclinations?
> Will they vilify the Clintons for having certified DOMA, until it was
> inexpedient to do so? Will they disown an Obama who incited more racial
> discord than David Duke could ever have done? Will they condemn
> pronouncements of white-hatred from self-appointed spokespersons of other
> races? Those would be inconvenient truths, but the most inconvenient truth
> of all is this: Progressive thought-leaders thrive on discord and do
> whatever they can to foment it.
>
> Just as some argue Obamian excesses gave the pendulum it's counter-swing 
> to
> Trump, the Berkeley-Middlebury-Academic fascistic excesses helped pop the
> pimple of white supremacy. Today's Mammons of endless entertainment,
> mind-numbing political nastiness, fake news and fake history, of rampant
> secularism, indulgent excess, electronic gods and goddesses, all ensure 
> our
> careen to oblivion will be one we will not notice-until it's too late.
>
> We are better with boundaries-and yes, borders-which lay bare hypocrites 
> who
> pretend to justice while abominations like third-term abortion, Benghazi,
> Sanctuary Cities, and other official lawlessness are excused in the swamp 
> of
> governance. If only we could live in a time where people do not inflict
> their aberrations on the populace, where daily work is an expectation 
> rather
> than an exception.
>
> The alternative is the real Ol' Time Religion-that faith in freedom from a
> loving, but unforgetting Almighty God who wants us to become the most
> civilized people an ordered liberty allows, where we live free of racial 
> and
> religious discord, where the commandments anchor us in a truly just
> society.
>
> What's at stake is our still fledgling struggle toward true civilization.
> The alternative is a desperate reach toward a "New & Improved" fascism
> against which revolt is inevitable. In this one nation under God, we have
> been nurtured to build that City on a Hill, and one can only hope the
> Almighty hasn't decided the better alternative is, "trampling out the
> vintage where the grapes of wrath are stored."
>
>
> https://townhall.com/columnists/johnpwarren/2017/09/02/gimme-that-ol-time-re
> ligion-n2376238?utm_source=thdaily&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=nl&newslett
> erad=

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