[Faith-talk] Little children being told in school that they arethe other sex!

Thu Sep 21 02:36:53 UTC 2017

Kaden, so we share a common beginning Lutherans do not all see Ida ion this. I just wanted to let you know that. There are three branches or synods of the Lutheran Church. Missouri Synod and Wisconsin scented see all this as something absolutely horrid. They agree with many that this it's something against the Bible teaching. However, the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America which I am a part of does see everyone as having a place in the church without regard to whom they love or identify with. Many churches are reconciled in Christ or RIC. This isn't across the board but those that are are icy churches advertise it. Most are nowadays. The United Church of Christ is another which is open and affirming. And I don't mean just to the gay lesbian community but to having disable pastors and lay leadership.

Just wanted to kind of share this with you since you said you're doing lots of research to see where you fit in. Peace to you on your journey! I'm so glad that you joined this list.

Ericka Short
"Friends are like flowers in the garden of life"

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> On Sep 20, 2017, at 7:44 PM, Kaden Colton via Faith-Talk <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Ashley,
> 
> I read the article differently than you and other people on this list. I am also unsure exactly how young gender identity forms, but from my readings of psychological studies, gender identity is most likely solidly formed by kindergarten. I think that children should have a well rounded education at home and school.  The information presented from people on this list have given me a lot to think about.  My position has not changed.
> 
> Teaching is a difficult profession and should be shared. I did not learn the differences between sex assignment and gender identity. I wish I learned early on in life. The gender roles I grew up with were given to me and I was not asked if I wanted them. Some of my friends in Utah are raising their children in a gender neutral way and educating their children in ways that their children can understand. Gender roles are not put onto their children, and choices are left to their children on how they want to dress, know right from wrong and love everyone for who they are.
> 
> I agree there are churches, mosques, synagogues and other places of worship are welcoming towards people who are homosexual, bisexual and transgender. I learned about the religions of the world, their history, stances toward minorities, controversies and the good they do. I did this so I could make a choice about where I could find a spiritual and religious home. So, I am trying to figure out where people's responses are coming from when it relates to this article.
> 
> 
> Cheers,
> Kaden
> 
>> On Sep 20, 2017, at 16:49, Ashley Bramlett via Faith-Talk <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Kaden,
>> 
>> What people are saying and I agree with is that kindergarten is too young to create a new gender identity.
>> Kids should be focussed on academics at that age.
>> It needs to be left to parents to teach about gender identity.
>> The problem is that kids can now say they identify as a boy when they are a girl and vice versa.
>> What David said is true in that kids can say they are opposite sex and go to the other gender's restroom etc and parents may or may not be informed.
>> 
>> In the article, the girl did nothing wrong, she should not have been sent to the principal's office.
>> 
>> You should form your gender identity overtime as you form your religious views overtime. Kindergarten is too early.
>> As for choice and religion, its true that people are leaving monotheistic religions because of hate of certain communities based on sexuality.
>> There are churches and mosques that will accept them so my advice is to find another one if you don't feel accepted in one.
>> 
>> Ashley
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message----- From: Kaden Colton via Faith-Talk
>> Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2017 3:53 AM
>> To: Faith-talk, for the discussion of Blindness in faith and religion
>> Cc: Kaden Colton
>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Little children being told in school that they arethe other sex!
>> 
>> Hello all,
>> 
>> I respectfully disagree. In the Quran, chapter 42 verses 49 and 50, it states "He creates what He wills. He give to whom He wills females, He gives to whom He wills makes, or He makes them both male and female. And he renders whom He wills barren. Indeed, He is knowing and competent." Allah creates diversity and transgender people are part of that diversity. They are a part of His creation. In Islam, no one can tell anyone else what they believe in or what their relationship is to Allah.
>> 
>> I have a couple questions for you all about this topic what makes anyone here assume that LGBT people are not religious? When did you know you were male or female?
>> 
>> The contempt that I have read in these messages about transgender people was one of many reasons why I left Christianity and converted to Islam. Are there Muslims who dispose the LGBT community? Yes. Are there Christians who are LGBT affirming? Yes.  But I do not agree with forcing people to live a lie or follow what someone else has told them to do. Each person has their unique relationship to God. Part of the reason why so manyLGBT folks I know who no longer go to church, mosque or synagogue is because of spiritual trauma stemming from the condemnation of who they are. Over and over again, they are told that who they are is wrong and they are doomed to hell fire. Many heterosexual and cisgender (not transgender) folks do not get the same messages in places of worship. One of the Bible quotes I try and live by is "Judge and ye shall be judged." I try not to judge people for who they are, the choices they make and how they live their lives. Since God created everything and He loves everything He creates, why shouldn't I as well?
>> 
>> Kaden
>>> On 16 Sep 2017, at 01:08, Marianne Haas via Faith-Talk <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I do agree with you.  I think children should learn about this topic at
>>> home.  I also do not think that children can decide what sex they are.
>>> 
>>> Marianne
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Faith-Talk [mailto:faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of David
>>> Moore via Faith-Talk
>>> Sent: Friday, September 15, 2017 4:48 PM
>>> To: Faith-talk, for the discussion of Blindness in faith and religion
>>> Cc: David Moore
>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Little children being told in school that they
>>> arethe other sex!
>>> 
>>> Exactly Ericka,
>>> Teachers should not be bringing this up, unless the child has a question. If
>>> I was a teacher, and a child asked me about this, I would call the parents
>>> and have them come in for a meeting. Teachers should not be playing Mom and
>>> Dad in schools.
>>> Have a great one!
>>> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>>> 
>>> From: Ericka via Faith-Talk
>>> Sent: Friday, September 15, 2017 7:41 PM
>>> To: Faith-talk, for the discussion of Blindness in faith and religion
>>> Cc: Ericka
>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Little children being told in school that they
>>> arethe other sex!
>>> 
>>> This isn't a conversation the kindergarten should have been having with her
>>> kids. I can understand feeling like you should, but this is something that's
>>> up to Parents and it bothers me that they were not aware. Unless the child
>>> provokes the topic transgender shouldn't be spoken about until kids are in
>>> second grade. Parents should always be notified regardless. I do know that
>>> some babies are born with both sets of genitalia and the doctors decide. But
>>> that doesn't mean that the rest of their genetic make up follows what the
>>> doctor chose. I have no idea how common or how rare that is. I'm just
>>> stating that there is some merit to people I'm not feeling comfortable in
>>> their own skin. Girls have different hormones for example. I have the
>>> feeling that once the doctor chooses what a baby's gender will be in these
>>> cases they just do blood work to find out later and give them proper
>>> medication which the kid doesn't know anything about. Considering there are
>>> a lot of hormonal and balance is out there like polycystic ovarian syndrome
>>> we can't totally write this off. Someday hopefully will be able to figure
>>> out why this happens, but until then only our dear Lord knows.
>>> 
>>> Personally I'm glad we'renot all  cookie  cutters! Sure if we came out of
>>> the womb and looked and thought the same life would be easy, but God never
>>> said life was supposed to be.  There's a variety in this world to teach us
>>> the fruits of the Spirit. (Galatians 5:22-23)
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Ericka Short
>>> from my iPhone 6+
>>> 
>>>>> On Sep 15, 2017, at 5:58 PM, David Moore via Faith-Talk
>>>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Please read this, and think about how confused you would have been as a
>>> child if this had happened to you. It is a lost nation we live in!
>>>> Kindergarten Transgender Reveal, a "Pronoun Mishap" and Abandoning
>>>> God's Word  by  Ken Ham  on September 14, 2017 The craziness of a
>>>> culture unhinged from the truth of God's Word  continues!
>>>> Two stories, both involving the same charter school in California,
>>>> have been  in the news recently because of transgender controversy.
>>>> And both  stories highlight the confusion that results from abandoning
>>>> the  absolute authority of  God's Word.
>>>> Apparently,
>>>> at the end of the school year a few months ago, a kindergarten
>>>> teacher  read two kids' books dealing with transgender to her class.
>>>> After  reading the books,  a male student got up and reportedly
>>>> switched into girls' clothing and  was introduced to the class as a
>>>> girl with a different name and  different pronouns.
>>>> Parents had not been notified this was going to happen, and many were
>>>> understandably upset about it, as were many of the children in the
>>>> class who were  confused and scared by it all.
>>>> Well, this academy is
>>>> back in the news again
>>>> because a first grader greeted this boy, who now identifies as a
>>>> girl,  by his original male name, the name she knew him as all last year.
>>>> Reportedly,
>>>> the first grader was reprimanded on the playground and sent to the
>>>> principal's office to determine if the incident was bullying or a
>>>> genuine "pronoun mishap."
>>>> Apparently, the little girl was very upset from the incident and felt
>>>> as if she was being punished for greeting someone.
>>>> As schools and other institutions bend over backward to accommodate
>>>> the  sinful behaviors of those in the LGBT community, we will only see
>>>> instances  like  this increase.
>>>> As schools and other institutions bend over backward to accommodate
>>>> the  sinful behaviors of those in the LGBT community, we will only see
>>>> instances  like  this increase. It's very sad that this young boy
>>>> (yes, he's genetically  and  physiologically a male), who believes he
>>>> is a girl, is being encouraged to  forsake his God-given gender and
>>>> embrace a sinful lifestyle that he  doesn't  fully understand. And
>>>> it's equally sad that other children-very young  children-are  being
>>>> indoctrinated in the secular transgender ideology.
>>>> But this kind of confusion is exactly what we expect from a culture
>>>> that  has  abandoned the absolute authority of God's Word. Without an
>>>> ultimate  standard  for what is right and wrong, "anything goes," just
>>>> as it did in the days  of  the Old Testament judges when everyone did
>>>> what was right in their own  eyes  Judges 21:25).
>>>> As Christians, we can reach out to a confused world with solid,
>>>> biblical  answers. There are only two sexes-male and female. Because
>>>> we are created  uniquely  by God, we don't have the authority to
>>>> redefine sex and gender. We don't  own  ourselves; God owns us. Yes,
>>>> because of sin and the Curse (  Genesis 3),  there are going to be
>>>> cases where physical bodies are affected by sin, and  parents and
>>>> doctors need to make informed decisions. And, yes, again  because  of
>>>> sin and the Curse, there are going to be those who struggle with
>>>> gender  dysphoria, even possibly from a very young age. But the answer
>>>> is not to  encourage  people to reject God's design and embrace a
>>>> sinful lifestyle, particularly  children. It's to point people toward
>>>> the hope and freedom that can be  found only in Jesus Christ and what
>>>> he did for us on the Cross.
>>>> And that's the
>>>> message this world desperately needs to hear.
>>>> Thanks for stopping by and thanks for  praying,  Ken
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