[Faith-Talk] Bethlehem avenue, Ali Sina, has failed and he is in hell

Thu Dec 5 04:30:18 UTC 2019

well i agree with Joy. this is not the list to discuss believs i
thought this list was here to discuss blindness and issues blind
people have within church not beliefs as such.  by looks of it you
sent this essage to some of your contacts and included it in  the
group within that contact list.  Either Jesus says  is who he says or
he is a lyer and we have wasted our time in our churches worshiping a
false  God. The thing is this we are not to hate one another nor put
people down.

On 12/4/19, BRUCE&JOY BRESLAUER via Faith-Talk <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Mustafa,
>
> I will say what I have to say, and then I will not engage with you further.
>
> We are not the Western media.  We are a group of blind people here to
> discuss
> how blindness affects our lives as religious participants.  Sometimes the
> discussion does stray into religious beliefs, but we are not here to bash
> one
> another or to put one another down.  Many of us on this list are Christians,
>
> but the purpose of this list is not to debate religion.  We are not here to
>
> spread hatred or vitriol.  This is not the list to discuss your opinion of
> someone else's beliefs.  If you were truly interested in discussing religion
>
> calmly and rationally, that might be one thing.  We believe what we believe
> and
> you believe what you believe, and we will never agree.  You believe that
> what
> you believe is correct, and so do we.  So do adherents of every religion or
>
> nonreligion.  We can't all be right.  Two opposing views cannot both be
> true.
> The Bible says that Jesus said, "before Abraham was, I am," so he predates
> Mohammed and everyone else.  (John 8:58.)  There is nothing to debate.  I
> would
> rather go through my life and die believing what I believe.  If I am wrong,
>
> then I lose everything.  If I am right, then I gain everything.  I will
> gladly
> take the risk.  What about you?
>
> I'm sure you know that there are Christians and then there are Christians,
> just
> like there are Moslems and Moslems.  Some are strident and hateful, some are
>
> not.  We are all learning and striving to be better, especially if we live a
>
> life of prayer and contemplation, read the Scriptures, and exhibit the
> fruits
> of the Spirit to others: love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness,
> faithfulness, gentleness, and self-control. (Galatians 5: 22-23.)  These are
>
> not things I can conjure up on my own; they are the result of living the
> life
> of a connected branch.  (John 15:5.) Without being connected to that
> life-giving vine, I can do nothing.  I do not have the right to be
> judgmental,
> but I do have the right to be a fruit inspector. (Matthew 7:15-20.)  What I
> see
> is not a matter of my opinion; it is self-evident.  That is something you
> and
> Allah will have to come to terms with at some point.
>
> Many awful things have been done in the name of religion, every religion.
> That
> is not an excuse, it is a fact.
>
> Jesus willingly gave up His deity to come to earth as a man, to live among
> us
> for a time, to be crucified for our sins, and to rise from the dead
> victorious
> over sin and death.  He had to do it because no one else could.  No one else
> is
> pure enough, only God.  No one else is sinless--not you, not me, not
> Mohammed.
> Mohammed did not rise from the dead to eternal life.  Jesus did.  He said He
>
> would, and  that is why He came.  The tomb was sealed and guarded to prevent
>
> His getting out, and no one could believe it when He actually did.  Women
> spread the news, which was contrary to the culture of the day.  This is all
>
> fact, not conjecture.  He appeared to many people afterwards, hundreds at a
>
> time, so they couldn't continue with the conspiracy theories that maybe
> somebody stole the body.  The tomb was empty and the burial clothes were
> still
> there, wrapped up like a body was still in them.  People saw Him, complete
> with
> the nail prints in His hands and feet and the wound in His side.  They wrote
>
> down what they saw.  God's foolishness is wiser than man's wisdom.  (1
> Corinthians 1:25.)
>
> So the bottom line is, what will you do with this Jesus?  Either He is who
> He
> says He is, or he is a liar, or he is crazy.  If you truly search the
> Scriptures with an open mind and heart, you will find out which is true.
>
> Joy
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Faith-Talk <faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Mustafa
> Almahdy
> via Faith-Talk
> Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2019 2:21 PM
> To: faith-talk at nfbnet.org
> Cc: Mustafa Almahdy <against.trump2001 at gmail.com>; rickevans5 at gmail.com;
> tingram at hbbc.org; debbiedrylie at gmail.com; moore at donaldmoore.org;
> erickelly at bellsouth.net; dlgoza at jeffersonbaptist.org
> Subject: Re: [Faith-Talk] Bethlehem avenue, Ali Sina, has failed and he is
> in
> hell
>
> Well obviously, I knew who Lutherans are. The cardinal doctrine of
> justifying
> faith alone is not sufficient for me. I don't recall that I have spoken
> rudely
> to someone though. I am just asking for some proper equity, as Islam is
> being
> brought to discussion or even critique in western media. When doing so, it's
>
> constantly subjected to unfavourable judgement. It isn't fair at all, to
> intently insist to misportray Islam and its tenets through introducing it to
>
> the masses by intense haters, unjust viewers. Ali Sina deceives westerns
> when
> he tells them, that Islam couldn't cope with modern western fundamentals.
> Well, this isn't quite precise, critical or even transpicuous. Ali Sina is
> notoriously dishonest about everything related to Islam.
> Through eight consecutive centuries, Andalusian          Muslim
> civilisation has contributed distinctly outstanding breakthroughs to
> untutored
> Medieval denizens. So, Islam encourages its embracers to ponder, contribute
> and
> explore. Nonetheless, for the past 200 years, Muslims haven't invented
> anything
> useful to either themselves or others. Thence, they reached the back of the
>
> caravan and became such backward, influenced, defeated and manipulated
> nation.
> The Koran told Muslims, that they're the best of people, as long as they
> enjoin
> good, forbid evil and believe in God. So, if they failed to fulfill any of
> these terms, they're then no longer the best of people. One of the main
> reasons
> for which I love Islam so much, is the fact that it is the only faith on
> earth
> which criticises its own followers if they failed to maintain the competent
>
> status of proper religious tenets.
> Adhereing  certain concepts doesn't guarantee its believing individuals a
> blank
> check to heaven. There is no such thing in Islam.
> Islam advocates for a global vision of substantial reform in all life
> aspects.
> Therefore, despite anyone's ethnic affiliation, as long as he is firmly
> loyal
> to Islam, he could be the best of and even, at the top of its scholarship.
> So
> for instance, despite his enormously extraneous origin, for his uniquely
> masterpiece in Hadith discipline, imam Bukhari  became the invincible
> scholar
> on that regard. Well, he wasn't initially Arab. Nonetheless, he mastered
> Arabic
> and produced a wonderful textbook in its eloquent rhetoric. This
> extraordinary
> chef-d'oeuvre is broadly considered to be the top of major sunnah references
>
> and the most authentic source of Islam after the Koran, known as, (Sahih
> al-Bukhari). I hope we have a chance to introduce Islam to others as we see
> it
> and practice its tenets. I disregard a nasty version of Islam introduced by
>
> people like Ali Sina, who is merely a hatemonger, uses defamation of Islam
> to
> bootlick westerns and gain dominance among them. Outspokenly, that's a major
>
> threat, when working for hate, deceit, denouncement and deliberate
> denigration
> instantly becomes an emphatically recognised path to fame in the west.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 12/3/19, Ericka via Faith-Talk <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Not all Christians are evangelists. I am Lutheran. We are asked not so
>> much to shove Bible passages down peoples throats as to live our life
>> according toChrists' example and teaching. The Bible to me is not
>> something to be read literally and taken literally; it is a guidebook.
>> Through the examples of those who have acted respectfully and not so
>> respectfully we come to see ourselves in the Scriptures and learn how
>> to handle situations in a way that respects all of his creation
>> including the human beings on this earth. We are not called to be
>> drunken, gluttonous, greedy, arrogant, and so on. If you look in
>> Galatians for the fruits of the spirit, these are what we are called to
>> beat
>> others and good suggestions to take care of yourself as well.
>> It looks like cell control something you need to work on as I don't
>> appreciate the rudeness you treated Adriana.
>>
>> God sent Jesus to us to free us from rules in the Old Testament since
>> apparently people weren't understanding what God wanted us to act and
>> why.
>>
>> Whether you're Jewish, Islamic or Christian etc. there are people who
>> are go to humans and then there are bad ones. Islamic dictator is
>> killing their own faithful is not any better than The Crusades. It's a
>> humanity problem that we all struggle with so you can't blame our
>> maker whether it be God as the Christian and see it, Allah, or the supreme
>>
>> being and so on. We screwup.
>> Instead of dissecting everything, why don't we start looking at the
>> common believes and bond together for a better world we have here too
>> and have it rather than hurting others, just respecting others and
>> either way not making our faiths look respectable.
>>
>> Ericka Nelson
>>
>>> On Dec 3, 2019, at 11:00 AM, Mustafa Almahdy via Faith-Talk
>>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> ?Well, you're in hell as of being such a miserable failure, not able
>>> to respond to my longly held debating challenge. As for good looking
>>> women, that's the maximum rate of someone at your disposal. I don't
>>> know about these things. But I know, that staring at women illicitly
>>> is strictly prohibited in Islam. Now, as these evangelists who
>>> cluselessly fend for your plainly hateful attitude may have noticed,
>>> you're not proselytising  to their faith in any manner. You're just
>>> spreading hate and deceit about Islam. Nonetheless, that seems to be
>>> quite sufficient for them to unconsciously endorse you. I think we're
>>> fully aware as of right now, who is truly detestable, despicable and
>>> immensely hypocritical. I still want to know, where did you earn the
>>> 100000$ which you sardonically offered from? Is working for
>>> Islamophobia and hatefully relevant industries eminently so
>>> profitable in western culture? As you're currently residing in the
>>> region of southeastern Europe, I wonder, what are you doing there? As
>>> Iranian based who has been extremely notorious of intently spreading
>>> hate, I couldn't unveil the nature of your work. Where does it fill?
>>> Ali Sina aims to provoke attenuated Muslims until they ultimately
>>> apostate. Be that as it may, he doesn't care about what do they embrace
>>> afterward.
>>> Is he promoting western secularism? I wonder if he perhaps could
>>> illustrate onto that. He says before that he is not an evangelist.
>>> Fine, what is he then? As to the faith talk folks, well, someone
>>> there has just told me, that I was demanded not to post to the list
>>> anymore.
>>> Well, excuse me but, this request clearly contradicts with an
>>> explicit statement that belongs to the list's essential guidelines.
>>> On your main info page, it says, "Persons of all faiths are welcome.
>>> Feel free to post, and have fun!". That what does it state there, very
>>> clearly.
>>> You can go to the list's info page and verify this claim. So, you may
>>> either remove the above statement and replace it with a statement
>>> that informs all viewers, that this list is exclusively restricted to
>>> Christian conversation and relevantly affiliated blindness interests.
>>> Or, you may say, that each and everyone that is not believing
>>> Christian is welcome to post except Muslims. We don't want them here
>>> anymore. I bet you couldn't post such thing on your main page because
>>> you will plainly violate allegedly embraced tenets of
>>> multiculturalism and coexistence. No no, sure you could. Hasn't
>>> Trump, master of peace and tolerance insistently declared such kind
>>> remarks about Muslims in the States and other minorities? What
>>> happened when I posted to the faith talk list stuff that may not
>>> necessarily concur with their beliefs or convictions as of religious and
>>>
>>> political orientation?
>>> Well, they immediately banned me from posting to the list. In other
>>> words, forcefully unsubscribed me. Well, if I will anyway be
>>> ostracised because of my religious and political opinion, what is
>>> then the proper use of the following statement? As quoted above, it
>>> says on your main info page, "persons of all faiths are welcome." So,
>>> it's either I am welcome or not welcome. I wonder if it could be
>>> both? It could be, as long as I speak against my own religion to
>>> please Americans, lords of the world. I unfortunately couldn't cope
>>> with such demand. So, I hope the temperament of the list's owners is
>>> clarified a bit. As for Ali Sina, good luck at your glorious journey
>>> of courting gorgeous women.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On 12/2/19, FFI <faithfreedom2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> I am in Ukraine, If this is hell it is too cold this time of the year.
>>>> But
>>>> the women here are actually very very beautiful.  Nice hell.
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Nov 29, 2019 at 9:45 PM Mustafa Almahdy
>>>> <against.trump2001 at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> For nearly three successive months, I have been persistently
>>>>> challenging Ali Sina to enter in a debate with me about the filth
>>>>> that he presumptuously writes about Islam. He obstinately calls the
>>>>> lasciviously based soliloquy of his own sickened prejudice
>>>>> worthwhile critique. He thence is afraid of venturing into this
>>>>> altercating field, so he may not lose his averred credibility among
>>>>> disinformed audience. He runs a vicious website entitled Ali Sina
>>>>> dot org. At its inception he writes, everything you need to know
>>>>> about Islam. He should have actually written, everything I intently
>>>>> lie to you about Islam. He unfortunately takes advantage of
>>>>> people's ignorance. He deliberately misleads his indoctrinated
>>>>> viewers. On his detestable website, he often writes about
>>>>> arbitrarily anonymous mortals who are allegedly Muslims. Therein,
>>>>> they have supposedly sought his eminent advice which has led to
>>>>> their ultimate apostasy. He evades conversing with me because I
>>>>> massively
>>>>> resemble a major threat to his reputation.
>>>>> I discredited his character and have posed decisive rebuttals to
>>>>> his truthiness. First off, why couldn't he release his accredited
>>>>> credentials or whatever that might be? Second, does he know Arabic?
>>>>> I previously demanded him to compose a basic sentence in Arabic,
>>>>> but he just couldn't. Third, in his recent message to me, he asked
>>>>> me to bring him someone to debate with, and he proposed to pay us
>>>>> 100000$, arranged half to half, between me and the one that I will
>>>>> bring. My question here is, why couldn't you just debate me for
>>>>> free? And, where did you get all this money from? Is working in the
>>>>> field of Islamophobia that profitable in the west? I hope he
>>>>> bravely answers any of these critical questions. Now, to those who
>>>>> purposely harbour such fugitives  and hatemongers, you must plainly
>>>>> fathom, that the current situation won't ever be infinite in any
>>>>> manner. I one day shall catch this Ali Sina and will then coerce
>>>>> him into direct engagement, whereas people as of Muslims and others
>>>>> alike can certainly see and judge. I genuinely believe that
>>>>> attainting this person's competency is much worse than actually putting
>>>>>
>>>>> him to death.
>>>>> If you're truly a man, you may then accept debating me. As of right
>>>>> now, he cowardly hides like a nasty mous. He is absolutely
>>>>> terrified of being caught and exposed. Had he been confident of
>>>>> himself, he would have then accepted my longly suspended debating
>>>>> proposal. His financial offer etc is just an enact to deride and
>>>>> avoid any potential confrontation. I, however, won't ever leave him
>>>>> on his own. Even if he hides below the seventh ground, I will chase
>>>>> him. I will keep beating him up until he is wholly destroyed. I
>>>>> knew where do you currently reside in Europe. We're going to meet
>>>>> soon, so watch out, son of Sina.,
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>
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