[Faith-Talk] Introduction From Rilind+Re: Bethlehem avenue, Ali Sina, has failed and he is in hell
Rob Kaiser
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I also want to welcome you to this list Relind. Good luck to you.
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Subject: Re: [Faith-Talk] Introduction From Rilind+Re: Bethlehem avenue, Ali Sina, has failed and he is in hell
Rilind!
Welcome to the list and thanks for coming out of lurk mode.
Religion can be complex and debatable. Its tough when you are a different faith than your family. So, you were Muslim and converted to Christianity. So sorry to hear you cannot find a church and transportation. I hope you found an accessible bible and ways to worship. As for me, I grew up as a believer. I am still Christian although even in my own family I notice we sometimes interpret the Bible differently. I also feel that I take in the Bible and practice it more than my grown brothers. I’m glad for you that you found the right faith and will hold onto it.
I am a young adult who is low vision and I hope to go into public relations or someplace to use my writing skills or work with kids. What was your degree in? I am a Marymount University graduate with a liberal studies degree with emphasis in social sciences and communication. Like you I enjoy music and walks. I like several kinds of music including Oldies, classical, and Christian contemporary music.
I think we can have several relevant discussions on list. Like you, I’ve been subscribed a long time. It is only when Mustafa writes that things get stirred up.
Happy Holidays everyone!
Ashley
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>From: Rilind Dragoshi via Faith-Talk <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>Sent: Dec 5, 2019 11:24 AM
>To: "faith-talk at nfbnet.org" <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>Cc: Rilind Dragoshi <dragoshi11 at hotmail.com>
>Subject: [Faith-Talk] Introduction From Rilind+Re: Bethlehem avenue, Ali Sina, has failed and he is in hell
>
>Hello everyone.
>My name is Rilind.
>I didn't know if I should introduce myself here or even comment on this issue as there are many chalenges associated with publicly coming out in this topic here, but,life belongs to God, and scripture tells us that this is life that we may know the one true God and Jesus Christ who he as sent. For personal reasons, at one point today I had considered messaging a list moderator and to ask to have it posted but then I knew that our friend mMustafa, that you might say oh look how they make up stories, and might say someone made this story up. So I said I'm going to discuss my story to explain not how good I am, (actually the opposite). But how good God is. Also, from a list standpoint, I didn't even know that this topic has relevance to blindness and faith at all. However, I also want to say that I have been subscribed for a long time, and, I was never sure if I would ever want to share my testimony here, but then decided that I will. I am 100% blind, and some of the chalenges are related to blindness. With that in mind I thought it is okay to share here.
>I don't want to go in to long detail about myself because of this topic but, I will say for sure that I live in Canada, born in Kosovo, speak Albanian English and some French, and, although noone is perfect, I have, from 2013 accepted Jesus Christ as my Lord and savior. Baptism someday too hopefully.
>About myself I'll say: I finished my Psychology degree, I do call centre work as well as English practicing work. I like walks, music, and family, as well as travel.
>My personal struggles in life now include anger that I am single, not being able to go to Church due to my situation; arguing too much with people who don't respect my beliefs such as my parents.
>Yes my friend, according to Islam, I may be going to Hell and if it's true then I would have to. Something else is if I don't repent and I continue in being upset and angry and things Paul says, I could go to Hell too. We have verses in the Bible about people who continue in certain sins not entering the kingdom of God. But, I believe that God himself came in the person of Jesus Christ, that he lived a perfect life, that the Isaiah 51 chapter is about him, and that just as Stephen saw, he is now at the right hand of God, and just as Revelation says, that the same will be in his family who conquer and overcome. I am not a universalist, but even in the harshest times of judgement, the Bible says everyone who calls on the name of the lord shall be saved, and also Paul talks about that every knee will bough and every tongue confess. I believing in the living faith, I used to think too, that Christianity meant just you're saved no matter what you do, but I know now that salvation is through faith, but faith without works is dead, so we aren't saved if we do certain works, but that faith in itself means that specific things will be the fruit of that faith.
>Since this is about beliefs, I'm going to share my testimony to show people here that it's not all about hate that people chose Jesus, but about love of the truth.
>It's a long story so please bare with me.
>
>My tesstimony, now that is an interesting story in itself that I will try to explain.
>It is a long story.
>So I had my regular universalist beliefs and Islam.
>I grew up initially secular Muslim, then at age 10 I would ask my grandfather about God, and then at age 13 I read the Bible, then soon after, the Quran. From an Islam-based perspective, I would read Harun Yahya a lot, and read the Quran at age 13. I have a great family but as I am blind, I wasn't able to visit any places of worship as often as my family didn't want me to be involved in worship they would say it's better to stay at home.
>When I started at Crandall University I would help with the prison ministry program there and go to the senior's home as well, to Briarlea. We would go on Fridays to sing hymns, play bingo, and I found out, once a month that we'd be doing communion. I didn't mind at all doing the visits it wasn't required or anything I just knew from previous experience and Ronald Weinland and other folks, I knew that ministry meant service, so I wanted to help out even though i wasn't Christian. I loved it. Now when we were getting closer to the end of the month and when it was time for Communion week coming by, I realised that I probably didn't think I should go. I thought okay, if I don't go it will be random I don't want to just all of a sudden say I'm busy just on that one week when there's communion but, if I go I thought then I would feel out of place in the sense that I'd feel disrespectful if I'm there and not taking communion. So what I did, I sent a message to my professor that did the ministry program and told him about my situation. I explained to him I definitely always enjoy coming and all the activities but that I wasn't sure if I should come since I'm not able to take communion given A that I didn't feel it was right since not baptized and B where I was also more Muslim and also Universalist. I told him I wanted to come but thought I shouldn't since I didn't want to be disrespectful. He said I could come and that it's completely okay since people don't expect people to take communion if they don't.
>So next week I just went and that was fine. Before I went (I usually was there early since I'd wait after my stats class that ended around 11:30 until we left around 1 or whatever time it was, can't remember the time. But, the professor was there earlier and he said oh we have 15 minutes or so. He then played a video for me one was from Francis Chan and the other one was from John Piper, now one of them there it talked about God and about the sacrifice of Christ etc., and at one point it said "he had to die because a crime was committed". For the first time, I learned why the sacrifice was believed. As a non-Christian at the time and before, my trouble was never with whether God would send his son or sacrifice etc., it was more, that he wouldn't need to. However, I realised after that that there is a God who both is just and merciful, wanting to forgive, but also that couldn't without the penalty being payed, wouldn't, without the penalty being payed.
>At this point I didn't know what to do with this information.
>Something key is when Muslim (even if secular even if more bookworm than practicing), you don't ever think okay I want to switch. At that time though I thought hey if I accept Christ, I will be forgiven of all sins and I will be living the life with God but being able to repent instead of having the punishments in this world and the hereafter in the way that the Quran explained. So, I had a formula for repentence and forgiveness. Now there was very clearly the problem that I also couldn't just leave because I knew in the Quran that A In the Quran those who believe in God and do good deeds went to heaven, and B that there are clear verses there that if someone accepts something other than Muslim, it says God will never accept it and that in the next life you're going to be a loser. I didn't know if it meant Hell, but, I didn't want to become a loser either. Thus, there was a dilemma I had. At the time, I felt that the only solution to both be forgiven as well as to also make sure I don't become a loser or go to Hell was to be both a Christian and a Muslim. I didn't even know how to do this so I went on Google of all places to type in how to be both a Christian and a Muslim. I found many pages, and of course, most pages were about how you can't. I didn't want that though sso I kept looking. Later I found a website called messianicmuslims.com that's not even there anymore for some reason, but, in it talks about essentially a number of things about how I could do that.
>It talked about the fact that the Quran didn't say the scriptures were corrupt but just how they were explained. It talked about how the Quran when it said that Jesus wasn't his son it was saying more because not literally. It went on to say when it says the Jews didn't kill him it was because the Romans actually made the order, etc. So in this article I realised that I could accept him as my king, and from that point I was more Christian Muslim.
>I didn't have a church, e etc, just read both. Now later on I found a house church and I felt I could be accepted since it was the gospel but accepting everyone. My professor I had asked him about it when I saw it and he said he was going to speak there that week, so, I went with him that week. It was a great community that did downtown ministry and other activities together, prayer and fellowship hangout etc., and I enjoyed the visit.
>I couldn't go very often though and still don't go to any of the church meetings often because my family doesn't like that I want to b Christian, many get upset, some say I'd be kicked out of the house if I wasn't blind, etc., but I then get upset too like I don't go often mostly because I need to have the right attitude if I'm both going and angry then that isn't being a good example, but I've continued I'll have coffee sometimes, go for supper when I can, etc., and sometimes rarely on Wednesdays or something somewhere for prayer.
>Now, it was only after that I became Christian fully. It was in early 2016 where God fully told me that in a dream, that the Bible is to be the leading influence in my life. Then from there I knew that it was important for me to specifically be Christian.
>
>That's my story.
>God bless:
>Rilind.
>
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> 1. Re: Bethlehem avenue, Ali Sina, has failed and he is in hell
> (Mustafa Almahdy)
> 2. Re: Bethlehem avenue, Ali Sina, has failed and he is inhell
> (David Moore)
> 3. Re: Bethlehem avenue, Ali Sina, has failed and he is in hell
> (BRUCE&JOY BRESLAUER)
> 4. Re: Bethlehem avenue, Ali Sina, has failed and he is in hell
> (andrew edgcumbe)
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>Message: 1
>Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2019 23:21:29 +0200
>From: Mustafa Almahdy <against.trump2001 at gmail.com>
>To: faith-talk at nfbnet.org
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>Subject: Re: [Faith-Talk] Bethlehem avenue, Ali Sina, has failed and
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>Well obviously, I knew who Lutherans are. The cardinal doctrine of
>justifying faith alone is not sufficient for me. I don't recall that I
>have spoken rudely to someone though. I am just asking for some proper
>equity, as Islam is being brought to discussion or even critique in
>western media. When doing so, it's constantly subjected to
>unfavourable judgement. It isn't fair at all, to intently insist to
>misportray Islam and its tenets through introducing it to the masses
>by intense haters, unjust viewers. Ali Sina deceives westerns when he
>tells them, that Islam couldn't cope with modern western fundamentals.
>Well, this isn't quite precise, critical or even transpicuous. Ali
>Sina is notoriously dishonest about everything related to Islam.
>Through eight consecutive centuries, Andalusian Muslim
>civilisation has contributed distinctly outstanding breakthroughs to
>untutored Medieval denizens. So, Islam encourages its embracers to
>ponder, contribute and explore. Nonetheless, for the past 200 years,
>Muslims haven't invented anything useful to either themselves or
>others. Thence, they reached the back of the caravan and became such
>backward, influenced, defeated and manipulated nation. The Koran told
>Muslims, that they're the best of people, as long as they enjoin good,
>forbid evil and believe in God. So, if they failed to fulfill any of
>these terms, they're then no longer the best of people. One of the
>main reasons for which I love Islam so much, is the fact that it is
>the only faith on earth which criticises its own followers if they
>failed to maintain the competent status of proper religious tenets.
>Adhereing certain concepts doesn't guarantee its believing
>individuals a blank check to heaven. There is no such thing in Islam.
>Islam advocates for a global vision of substantial reform in all life
>aspects. Therefore, despite anyone's ethnic affiliation, as long as he
>is firmly loyal to Islam, he could be the best of and even, at the top
>of its scholarship. So for instance, despite his enormously extraneous
>origin, for his uniquely masterpiece in Hadith discipline, imam
>Bukhari became the invincible scholar on that regard. Well, he wasn't
>initially Arab. Nonetheless, he mastered Arabic and produced a
>wonderful textbook in its eloquent rhetoric. This extraordinary
>chef-d'oeuvre is broadly considered to be the top of major sunnah
>references and the most authentic source of Islam after the Koran,
>known as, (Sahih al-Bukhari). I hope we have a chance to introduce
>Islam to others as we see it and practice its tenets. I disregard a
>nasty version of Islam introduced by people like Ali Sina, who is
>merely a hatemonger, uses defamation of Islam to bootlick westerns and
>gain dominance among them. Outspokenly, that's a major threat, when
>working for hate, deceit, denouncement and deliberate denigration
>instantly becomes an emphatically recognised path to fame in the west.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>On 12/3/19, Ericka via Faith-Talk <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Not all Christians are evangelists. I am Lutheran. We are asked not so much
>> to shove Bible passages down peoples throats as to live our life according
>> toChrists? example and teaching. The Bible to me is not something to be read
>> literally and taken literally; it is a guidebook. Through the examples of
>> those who have acted respectfully and not so respectfully we come to see
>> ourselves in the Scriptures and learn how to handle situations in a way that
>> respects all of his creation including the human beings on this earth. We
>> are not called to be drunken, gluttonous, greedy, arrogant, and so on. If
>> you look in Galatians for the fruits of the spirit, these are what we are
>> called to beat others and good suggestions to take care of yourself as well.
>> It looks like cell control something you need to work on as I don?t
>> appreciate the rudeness you treated Adriana.
>>
>> God sent Jesus to us to free us from rules in the Old Testament since
>> apparently people weren?t understanding what God wanted us to act and why.
>>
>> Whether you?re Jewish, Islamic or Christian etc. there are people who are go
>> to humans and then there are bad ones. Islamic dictator is killing their own
>> faithful is not any better than The Crusades. It?s a humanity problem that
>> we all struggle with so you can?t blame our maker whether it be God as the
>> Christian and see it, Allah, or the supreme being and so on. We screwup.
>> Instead of dissecting everything, why don?t we start looking at the common
>> believes and bond together for a better world we have here too and have it
>> rather than hurting others, just respecting others and either way not making
>> our faiths look respectable.
>>
>> Ericka Nelson
>>
>>> On Dec 3, 2019, at 11:00 AM, Mustafa Almahdy via Faith-Talk
>>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> ?Well, you're in hell as of being such a miserable failure, not able to
>>> respond to my longly held debating challenge. As for good looking
>>> women, that's the maximum rate of someone at your disposal. I don't
>>> know about these things. But I know, that staring at women illicitly
>>> is strictly prohibited in Islam. Now, as these evangelists who
>>> cluselessly fend for your plainly hateful attitude may have noticed,
>>> you're not proselytising to their faith in any manner. You're just
>>> spreading hate and deceit about Islam. Nonetheless, that seems to be
>>> quite sufficient for them to unconsciously endorse you. I think we're
>>> fully aware as of right now, who is truly detestable, despicable and
>>> immensely hypocritical. I still want to know, where did you earn the
>>> 100000$ which you sardonically offered from? Is working for
>>> Islamophobia and hatefully relevant industries eminently so profitable
>>> in western culture? As you're currently residing in the region of
>>> southeastern Europe, I wonder, what are you doing there? As Iranian
>>> based who has been extremely notorious of intently spreading hate, I
>>> couldn't unveil the nature of your work. Where does it fill? Ali Sina
>>> aims to provoke attenuated Muslims until they ultimately apostate. Be
>>> that as it may, he doesn't care about what do they embrace afterward.
>>> Is he promoting western secularism? I wonder if he perhaps could
>>> illustrate onto that. He says before that he is not an evangelist.
>>> Fine, what is he then? As to the faith talk folks, well, someone there
>>> has just told me, that I was demanded not to post to the list anymore.
>>> Well, excuse me but, this request clearly contradicts with an explicit
>>> statement that belongs to the list's essential guidelines. On your
>>> main info page, it says, "Persons of all faiths are welcome. Feel free
>>> to post, and have fun!". That what does it state there, very clearly.
>>> You can go to the list's info page and verify this claim. So, you may
>>> either remove the above statement and replace it with a statement that
>>> informs all viewers, that this list is exclusively restricted to
>>> Christian conversation and relevantly affiliated blindness interests.
>>> Or, you may say, that each and everyone that is not believing
>>> Christian is welcome to post except Muslims. We don't want them here
>>> anymore. I bet you couldn't post such thing on your main page because
>>> you will plainly violate allegedly embraced tenets of multiculturalism
>>> and coexistence. No no, sure you could. Hasn't Trump, master of peace
>>> and tolerance insistently declared such kind remarks about Muslims in
>>> the States and other minorities? What happened when I posted to the
>>> faith talk list stuff that may not necessarily concur with their
>>> beliefs or convictions as of religious and political orientation?
>>> Well, they immediately banned me from posting to the list. In other
>>> words, forcefully unsubscribed me. Well, if I will anyway be
>>> ostracised because of my religious and political opinion, what is then
>>> the proper use of the following statement? As quoted above, it says on
>>> your main info page, "persons of all faiths are welcome." So, it's
>>> either I am welcome or not welcome. I wonder if it could be both? It
>>> could be, as long as I speak against my own religion to please
>>> Americans, lords of the world. I unfortunately couldn't cope with such
>>> demand. So, I hope the temperament of the list's owners is clarified a
>>> bit. As for Ali Sina, good luck at your glorious journey of courting
>>> gorgeous women.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On 12/2/19, FFI <faithfreedom2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> I am in Ukraine, If this is hell it is too cold this time of the year.
>>>> But
>>>> the women here are actually very very beautiful. Nice hell.
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Nov 29, 2019 at 9:45 PM Mustafa Almahdy
>>>> <against.trump2001 at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> For nearly three successive months, I have been persistently
>>>>> challenging Ali Sina to enter in a debate with me about the filth that
>>>>> he presumptuously writes about Islam. He obstinately calls the
>>>>> lasciviously based soliloquy of his own sickened prejudice worthwhile
>>>>> critique. He thence is afraid of venturing into this altercating
>>>>> field, so he may not lose his averred credibility among disinformed
>>>>> audience. He runs a vicious website entitled Ali Sina dot org. At its
>>>>> inception he writes, everything you need to know about Islam. He
>>>>> should have actually written, everything I intently lie to you about
>>>>> Islam. He unfortunately takes advantage of people's ignorance. He
>>>>> deliberately misleads his indoctrinated viewers. On his detestable
>>>>> website, he often writes about arbitrarily anonymous mortals who are
>>>>> allegedly Muslims. Therein, they have supposedly sought his eminent
>>>>> advice which has led to their ultimate apostasy. He evades conversing
>>>>> with me because I massively resemble a major threat to his reputation.
>>>>> I discredited his character and have posed decisive rebuttals to his
>>>>> truthiness. First off, why couldn't he release his accredited
>>>>> credentials or whatever that might be? Second, does he know Arabic? I
>>>>> previously demanded him to compose a basic sentence in Arabic, but he
>>>>> just couldn't. Third, in his recent message to me, he asked me to
>>>>> bring him someone to debate with, and he proposed to pay us 100000$,
>>>>> arranged half to half, between me and the one that I will bring. My
>>>>> question here is, why couldn't you just debate me for free? And, where
>>>>> did you get all this money from? Is working in the field of
>>>>> Islamophobia that profitable in the west? I hope he bravely answers
>>>>> any of these critical questions. Now, to those who purposely harbour
>>>>> such fugitives and hatemongers, you must plainly fathom, that the
>>>>> current situation won't ever be infinite in any manner. I one day
>>>>> shall catch this Ali Sina and will then coerce him into direct
>>>>> engagement, whereas people as of Muslims and others alike can
>>>>> certainly see and judge. I genuinely believe that attainting this
>>>>> person's competency is much worse than actually putting him to death.
>>>>> If you're truly a man, you may then accept debating me. As of right
>>>>> now, he cowardly hides like a nasty mous. He is absolutely terrified
>>>>> of being caught and exposed. Had he been confident of himself, he
>>>>> would have then accepted my longly suspended debating proposal. His
>>>>> financial offer etc is just an enact to deride and avoid any potential
>>>>> confrontation. I, however, won't ever leave him on his own. Even if he
>>>>> hides below the seventh ground, I will chase him. I will keep beating
>>>>> him up until he is wholly destroyed. I knew where do you currently
>>>>> reside in Europe. We're going to meet soon, so watch out, son of
>>>>> Sina.,
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>> alisina.org <http://www.alisina.org>
>>>> faithfreedom.org <http://www.faithfreedom.org>
>>>>
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>Message: 2
>Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2019 18:01:08 -0500
>From: David Moore <jesusloves1966 at gmail.com>
>To: "Faith-talk, for the discussion of Blindness in faith and
> religion" <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>Subject: Re: [Faith-Talk] Bethlehem avenue, Ali Sina, has failed and
> he is inhell
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>Jesus said that he was God, and he proved it by rising from the dead!
>Did Mohamad rise from the dead?
>Also, Jesus said, ?I am the way, the truth, and the life!
>Nobody can come to the Father except by me!
>Also in Acts chapter 4, it says this!
>Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under Heaven given to men, by which they must be saved!
>I believe that throws out Islam and all religion to get one to Heaven!
>Jesus is not a religion!
>He sacrificed his own self for all sin for all time!
>What about the verse that says,
>?we are saved by grace, not by works, so that no man can boast before God!
>If you throw in works, just how many works do you have to do to enter Heaven?
>Jesus?s blood he shed for us, forgives all sin for all time as soon as we call out to him, repent, to want to change and follow Jesus, Confess Jesus as God, and be baptized for the remission of our sins!
>After that, only we can kick God out our lives, by not wanting God leading us anymore!
>We, at that time, forefoot our salvation, we do not lose it without knowing it! If works are needed, why did Jesus have to go to the cross at all, and be separated from his Father, because my personal sin was put upon on him, and he paid the full debt for us all!
>That is what the Word of God says, and that is all that matters!
>Every word in the Bible, is God breathed, and when you read the Bible, you are reading the living words of God!
>God is speaking to you through his perfect Word!
>I am saddened for you, and all people who believe that the Words of God himself are just a guide for our life!
>I have so much joy and peace by standing on the only words of God that we will hear in this life!
>Take care, all!
>
>Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>
>From: Mustafa Almahdy via Faith-Talk
>Sent: Wednesday, December 4, 2019 4:22 PM
>To: faith-talk at nfbnet.org
>Cc: Mustafa Almahdy; rickevans5 at gmail.com; tingram at hbbc.org; debbiedrylie at gmail.com; moore at donaldmoore.org; erickelly at bellsouth.net; dlgoza at jeffersonbaptist.org
>Subject: Re: [Faith-Talk] Bethlehem avenue, Ali Sina, has failed and he is inhell
>
>Well obviously, I knew who Lutherans are. The cardinal doctrine of
>justifying faith alone is not sufficient for me. I don't recall that I
>have spoken rudely to someone though. I am just asking for some proper
>equity, as Islam is being brought to discussion or even critique in
>western media. When doing so, it's constantly subjected to
>unfavourable judgement. It isn't fair at all, to intently insist to
>misportray Islam and its tenets through introducing it to the masses
>by intense haters, unjust viewers. Ali Sina deceives westerns when he
>tells them, that Islam couldn't cope with modern western fundamentals.
>Well, this isn't quite precise, critical or even transpicuous. Ali
>Sina is notoriously dishonest about everything related to Islam.
>Through eight consecutive centuries, Andalusian Muslim
>civilisation has contributed distinctly outstanding breakthroughs to
>untutored Medieval denizens. So, Islam encourages its embracers to
>ponder, contribute and explore. Nonetheless, for the past 200 years,
>Muslims haven't invented anything useful to either themselves or
>others. Thence, they reached the back of the caravan and became such
>backward, influenced, defeated and manipulated nation. The Koran told
>Muslims, that they're the best of people, as long as they enjoin good,
>forbid evil and believe in God. So, if they failed to fulfill any of
>these terms, they're then no longer the best of people. One of the
>main reasons for which I love Islam so much, is the fact that it is
>the only faith on earth which criticises its own followers if they
>failed to maintain the competent status of proper religious tenets.
>Adhereing certain concepts doesn't guarantee its believing
>individuals a blank check to heaven. There is no such thing in Islam.
>Islam advocates for a global vision of substantial reform in all life
>aspects. Therefore, despite anyone's ethnic affiliation, as long as he
>is firmly loyal to Islam, he could be the best of and even, at the top
>of its scholarship. So for instance, despite his enormously extraneous
>origin, for his uniquely masterpiece in Hadith discipline, imam
>Bukhari became the invincible scholar on that regard. Well, he wasn't
>initially Arab. Nonetheless, he mastered Arabic and produced a
>wonderful textbook in its eloquent rhetoric. This extraordinary
>chef-d'oeuvre is broadly considered to be the top of major sunnah
>references and the most authentic source of Islam after the Koran,
>known as, (Sahih al-Bukhari). I hope we have a chance to introduce
>Islam to others as we see it and practice its tenets. I disregard a
>nasty version of Islam introduced by people like Ali Sina, who is
>merely a hatemonger, uses defamation of Islam to bootlick westerns and
>gain dominance among them. Outspokenly, that's a major threat, when
>working for hate, deceit, denouncement and deliberate denigration
>instantly becomes an emphatically recognised path to fame in the west.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>On 12/3/19, Ericka via Faith-Talk <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Not all Christians are evangelists. I am Lutheran. We are asked not so much
>> to shove Bible passages down peoples throats as to live our life according
>> toChrists? example and teaching. The Bible to me is not something to be read
>> literally and taken literally; it is a guidebook. Through the examples of
>> those who have acted respectfully and not so respectfully we come to see
>> ourselves in the Scriptures and learn how to handle situations in a way that
>> respects all of his creation including the human beings on this earth. We
>> are not called to be drunken, gluttonous, greedy, arrogant, and so on. If
>> you look in Galatians for the fruits of the spirit, these are what we are
>> called to beat others and good suggestions to take care of yourself as well.
>> It looks like cell control something you need to work on as I don?t
>> appreciate the rudeness you treated Adriana.
>>
>> God sent Jesus to us to free us from rules in the Old Testament since
>> apparently people weren?t understanding what God wanted us to act and why.
>>
>> Whether you?re Jewish, Islamic or Christian etc. there are people who are go
>> to humans and then there are bad ones. Islamic dictator is killing their own
>> faithful is not any better than The Crusades. It?s a humanity problem that
>> we all struggle with so you can?t blame our maker whether it be God as the
>> Christian and see it, Allah, or the supreme being and so on. We screwup.
>> Instead of dissecting everything, why don?t we start looking at the common
>> believes and bond together for a better world we have here too and have it
>> rather than hurting others, just respecting others and either way not making
>> our faiths look respectable.
>>
>> Ericka Nelson
>>
>>> On Dec 3, 2019, at 11:00 AM, Mustafa Almahdy via Faith-Talk
>>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> ?Well, you're in hell as of being such a miserable failure, not able to
>>> respond to my longly held debating challenge. As for good looking
>>> women, that's the maximum rate of someone at your disposal. I don't
>>> know about these things. But I know, that staring at women illicitly
>>> is strictly prohibited in Islam. Now, as these evangelists who
>>> cluselessly fend for your plainly hateful attitude may have noticed,
>>> you're not proselytising to their faith in any manner. You're just
>>> spreading hate and deceit about Islam. Nonetheless, that seems to be
>>> quite sufficient for them to unconsciously endorse you. I think we're
>>> fully aware as of right now, who is truly detestable, despicable and
>>> immensely hypocritical. I still want to know, where did you earn the
>>> 100000$ which you sardonically offered from? Is working for
>>> Islamophobia and hatefully relevant industries eminently so profitable
>>> in western culture? As you're currently residing in the region of
>>> southeastern Europe, I wonder, what are you doing there? As Iranian
>>> based who has been extremely notorious of intently spreading hate, I
>>> couldn't unveil the nature of your work. Where does it fill? Ali Sina
>>> aims to provoke attenuated Muslims until they ultimately apostate. Be
>>> that as it may, he doesn't care about what do they embrace afterward.
>>> Is he promoting western secularism? I wonder if he perhaps could
>>> illustrate onto that. He says before that he is not an evangelist.
>>> Fine, what is he then? As to the faith talk folks, well, someone there
>>> has just told me, that I was demanded not to post to the list anymore.
>>> Well, excuse me but, this request clearly contradicts with an explicit
>>> statement that belongs to the list's essential guidelines. On your
>>> main info page, it says, "Persons of all faiths are welcome. Feel free
>>> to post, and have fun!". That what does it state there, very clearly.
>>> You can go to the list's info page and verify this claim. So, you may
>>> either remove the above statement and replace it with a statement that
>>> informs all viewers, that this list is exclusively restricted to
>>> Christian conversation and relevantly affiliated blindness interests.
>>> Or, you may say, that each and everyone that is not believing
>>> Christian is welcome to post except Muslims. We don't want them here
>>> anymore. I bet you couldn't post such thing on your main page because
>>> you will plainly violate allegedly embraced tenets of multiculturalism
>>> and coexistence. No no, sure you could. Hasn't Trump, master of peace
>>> and tolerance insistently declared such kind remarks about Muslims in
>>> the States and other minorities? What happened when I posted to the
>>> faith talk list stuff that may not necessarily concur with their
>>> beliefs or convictions as of religious and political orientation?
>>> Well, they immediately banned me from posting to the list. In other
>>> words, forcefully unsubscribed me. Well, if I will anyway be
>>> ostracised because of my religious and political opinion, what is then
>>> the proper use of the following statement? As quoted above, it says on
>>> your main info page, "persons of all faiths are welcome." So, it's
>>> either I am welcome or not welcome. I wonder if it could be both? It
>>> could be, as long as I speak against my own religion to please
>>> Americans, lords of the world. I unfortunately couldn't cope with such
>>> demand. So, I hope the temperament of the list's owners is clarified a
>>> bit. As for Ali Sina, good luck at your glorious journey of courting
>>> gorgeous women.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On 12/2/19, FFI <faithfreedom2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> I am in Ukraine, If this is hell it is too cold this time of the year.
>>>> But
>>>> the women here are actually very very beautiful. Nice hell.
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Nov 29, 2019 at 9:45 PM Mustafa Almahdy
>>>> <against.trump2001 at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> For nearly three successive months, I have been persistently
>>>>> challenging Ali Sina to enter in a debate with me about the filth that
>>>>> he presumptuously writes about Islam. He obstinately calls the
>>>>> lasciviously based soliloquy of his own sickened prejudice worthwhile
>>>>> critique. He thence is afraid of venturing into this altercating
>>>>> field, so he may not lose his averred credibility among disinformed
>>>>> audience. He runs a vicious website entitled Ali Sina dot org. At its
>>>>> inception he writes, everything you need to know about Islam. He
>>>>> should have actually written, everything I intently lie to you about
>>>>> Islam. He unfortunately takes advantage of people's ignorance. He
>>>>> deliberately misleads his indoctrinated viewers. On his detestable
>>>>> website, he often writes about arbitrarily anonymous mortals who are
>>>>> allegedly Muslims. Therein, they have supposedly sought his eminent
>>>>> advice which has led to their ultimate apostasy. He evades conversing
>>>>> with me because I massively resemble a major threat to his reputation.
>>>>> I discredited his character and have posed decisive rebuttals to his
>>>>> truthiness. First off, why couldn't he release his accredited
>>>>> credentials or whatever that might be? Second, does he know Arabic? I
>>>>> previously demanded him to compose a basic sentence in Arabic, but he
>>>>> just couldn't. Third, in his recent message to me, he asked me to
>>>>> bring him someone to debate with, and he proposed to pay us 100000$,
>>>>> arranged half to half, between me and the one that I will bring. My
>>>>> question here is, why couldn't you just debate me for free? And, where
>>>>> did you get all this money from? Is working in the field of
>>>>> Islamophobia that profitable in the west? I hope he bravely answers
>>>>> any of these critical questions. Now, to those who purposely harbour
>>>>> such fugitives and hatemongers, you must plainly fathom, that the
>>>>> current situation won't ever be infinite in any manner. I one day
>>>>> shall catch this Ali Sina and will then coerce him into direct
>>>>> engagement, whereas people as of Muslims and others alike can
>>>>> certainly see and judge. I genuinely believe that attainting this
>>>>> person's competency is much worse than actually putting him to death.
>>>>> If you're truly a man, you may then accept debating me. As of right
>>>>> now, he cowardly hides like a nasty mous. He is absolutely terrified
>>>>> of being caught and exposed. Had he been confident of himself, he
>>>>> would have then accepted my longly suspended debating proposal. His
>>>>> financial offer etc is just an enact to deride and avoid any potential
>>>>> confrontation. I, however, won't ever leave him on his own. Even if he
>>>>> hides below the seventh ground, I will chase him. I will keep beating
>>>>> him up until he is wholly destroyed. I knew where do you currently
>>>>> reside in Europe. We're going to meet soon, so watch out, son of
>>>>> Sina.,
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
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>>>> faithfreedom.org <http://www.faithfreedom.org>
>>>>
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>Message: 3
>Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2019 18:22:38 -0700
>From: "BRUCE&JOY BRESLAUER" <breslauerj at gmail.com>
>To: "'Faith-talk, for the discussion of Blindness in faith and
> religion'" <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>Subject: Re: [Faith-Talk] Bethlehem avenue, Ali Sina, has failed and
> he is in hell
>Message-ID: <00a501d5ab0a$7bbe2820$733a7860$@gmail.com>
>
>Mustafa,
>
>I will say what I have to say, and then I will not engage with you further.
>
>We are not the Western media. We are a group of blind people here to discuss
>how blindness affects our lives as religious participants. Sometimes the
>discussion does stray into religious beliefs, but we are not here to bash one
>another or to put one another down. Many of us on this list are Christians,
>but the purpose of this list is not to debate religion. We are not here to
>spread hatred or vitriol. This is not the list to discuss your opinion of
>someone else's beliefs. If you were truly interested in discussing religion
>calmly and rationally, that might be one thing. We believe what we believe and
>you believe what you believe, and we will never agree. You believe that what
>you believe is correct, and so do we. So do adherents of every religion or
>nonreligion. We can't all be right. Two opposing views cannot both be true.
>The Bible says that Jesus said, "before Abraham was, I am," so he predates
>Mohammed and everyone else. (John 8:58.) There is nothing to debate. I would
>rather go through my life and die believing what I believe. If I am wrong,
>then I lose everything. If I am right, then I gain everything. I will gladly
>take the risk. What about you?
>
>I'm sure you know that there are Christians and then there are Christians, just
>like there are Moslems and Moslems. Some are strident and hateful, some are
>not. We are all learning and striving to be better, especially if we live a
>life of prayer and contemplation, read the Scriptures, and exhibit the fruits
>of the Spirit to others: love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness,
>faithfulness, gentleness, and self-control. (Galatians 5: 22-23.) These are
>not things I can conjure up on my own; they are the result of living the life
>of a connected branch. (John 15:5.) Without being connected to that
>life-giving vine, I can do nothing. I do not have the right to be judgmental,
>but I do have the right to be a fruit inspector. (Matthew 7:15-20.) What I see
>is not a matter of my opinion; it is self-evident. That is something you and
>Allah will have to come to terms with at some point.
>
>Many awful things have been done in the name of religion, every religion. That
>is not an excuse, it is a fact.
>
>Jesus willingly gave up His deity to come to earth as a man, to live among us
>for a time, to be crucified for our sins, and to rise from the dead victorious
>over sin and death. He had to do it because no one else could. No one else is
>pure enough, only God. No one else is sinless--not you, not me, not Mohammed.
>Mohammed did not rise from the dead to eternal life. Jesus did. He said He
>would, and that is why He came. The tomb was sealed and guarded to prevent
>His getting out, and no one could believe it when He actually did. Women
>spread the news, which was contrary to the culture of the day. This is all
>fact, not conjecture. He appeared to many people afterwards, hundreds at a
>time, so they couldn't continue with the conspiracy theories that maybe
>somebody stole the body. The tomb was empty and the burial clothes were still
>there, wrapped up like a body was still in them. People saw Him, complete with
>the nail prints in His hands and feet and the wound in His side. They wrote
>down what they saw. God's foolishness is wiser than man's wisdom. (1
>Corinthians 1:25.)
>
>So the bottom line is, what will you do with this Jesus? Either He is who He
>says He is, or he is a liar, or he is crazy. If you truly search the
>Scriptures with an open mind and heart, you will find out which is true.
>
>Joy
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Faith-Talk <faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Mustafa Almahdy
>via Faith-Talk
>Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2019 2:21 PM
>To: faith-talk at nfbnet.org
>Cc: Mustafa Almahdy <against.trump2001 at gmail.com>; rickevans5 at gmail.com;
>tingram at hbbc.org; debbiedrylie at gmail.com; moore at donaldmoore.org;
>erickelly at bellsouth.net; dlgoza at jeffersonbaptist.org
>Subject: Re: [Faith-Talk] Bethlehem avenue, Ali Sina, has failed and he is in
>hell
>
>Well obviously, I knew who Lutherans are. The cardinal doctrine of justifying
>faith alone is not sufficient for me. I don't recall that I have spoken rudely
>to someone though. I am just asking for some proper equity, as Islam is being
>brought to discussion or even critique in western media. When doing so, it's
>constantly subjected to unfavourable judgement. It isn't fair at all, to
>intently insist to misportray Islam and its tenets through introducing it to
>the masses by intense haters, unjust viewers. Ali Sina deceives westerns when
>he tells them, that Islam couldn't cope with modern western fundamentals.
>Well, this isn't quite precise, critical or even transpicuous. Ali Sina is
>notoriously dishonest about everything related to Islam.
>Through eight consecutive centuries, Andalusian Muslim
>civilisation has contributed distinctly outstanding breakthroughs to untutored
>Medieval denizens. So, Islam encourages its embracers to ponder, contribute and
>explore. Nonetheless, for the past 200 years, Muslims haven't invented anything
>useful to either themselves or others. Thence, they reached the back of the
>caravan and became such backward, influenced, defeated and manipulated nation.
>The Koran told Muslims, that they're the best of people, as long as they enjoin
>good, forbid evil and believe in God. So, if they failed to fulfill any of
>these terms, they're then no longer the best of people. One of the main reasons
>for which I love Islam so much, is the fact that it is the only faith on earth
>which criticises its own followers if they failed to maintain the competent
>status of proper religious tenets.
>Adhereing certain concepts doesn't guarantee its believing individuals a blank
>check to heaven. There is no such thing in Islam.
>Islam advocates for a global vision of substantial reform in all life aspects.
>Therefore, despite anyone's ethnic affiliation, as long as he is firmly loyal
>to Islam, he could be the best of and even, at the top of its scholarship. So
>for instance, despite his enormously extraneous origin, for his uniquely
>masterpiece in Hadith discipline, imam Bukhari became the invincible scholar
>on that regard. Well, he wasn't initially Arab. Nonetheless, he mastered Arabic
>and produced a wonderful textbook in its eloquent rhetoric. This extraordinary
>chef-d'oeuvre is broadly considered to be the top of major sunnah references
>and the most authentic source of Islam after the Koran, known as, (Sahih
>al-Bukhari). I hope we have a chance to introduce Islam to others as we see it
>and practice its tenets. I disregard a nasty version of Islam introduced by
>people like Ali Sina, who is merely a hatemonger, uses defamation of Islam to
>bootlick westerns and gain dominance among them. Outspokenly, that's a major
>threat, when working for hate, deceit, denouncement and deliberate denigration
>instantly becomes an emphatically recognised path to fame in the west.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>On 12/3/19, Ericka via Faith-Talk <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Not all Christians are evangelists. I am Lutheran. We are asked not so
>> much to shove Bible passages down peoples throats as to live our life
>> according toChrists' example and teaching. The Bible to me is not
>> something to be read literally and taken literally; it is a guidebook.
>> Through the examples of those who have acted respectfully and not so
>> respectfully we come to see ourselves in the Scriptures and learn how
>> to handle situations in a way that respects all of his creation
>> including the human beings on this earth. We are not called to be
>> drunken, gluttonous, greedy, arrogant, and so on. If you look in
>> Galatians for the fruits of the spirit, these are what we are called to beat
>> others and good suggestions to take care of yourself as well.
>> It looks like cell control something you need to work on as I don't
>> appreciate the rudeness you treated Adriana.
>>
>> God sent Jesus to us to free us from rules in the Old Testament since
>> apparently people weren't understanding what God wanted us to act and why.
>>
>> Whether you're Jewish, Islamic or Christian etc. there are people who
>> are go to humans and then there are bad ones. Islamic dictator is
>> killing their own faithful is not any better than The Crusades. It's a
>> humanity problem that we all struggle with so you can't blame our
>> maker whether it be God as the Christian and see it, Allah, or the supreme
>> being and so on. We screwup.
>> Instead of dissecting everything, why don't we start looking at the
>> common believes and bond together for a better world we have here too
>> and have it rather than hurting others, just respecting others and
>> either way not making our faiths look respectable.
>>
>> Ericka Nelson
>>
>>> On Dec 3, 2019, at 11:00 AM, Mustafa Almahdy via Faith-Talk
>>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> ?Well, you're in hell as of being such a miserable failure, not able
>>> to respond to my longly held debating challenge. As for good looking
>>> women, that's the maximum rate of someone at your disposal. I don't
>>> know about these things. But I know, that staring at women illicitly
>>> is strictly prohibited in Islam. Now, as these evangelists who
>>> cluselessly fend for your plainly hateful attitude may have noticed,
>>> you're not proselytising to their faith in any manner. You're just
>>> spreading hate and deceit about Islam. Nonetheless, that seems to be
>>> quite sufficient for them to unconsciously endorse you. I think we're
>>> fully aware as of right now, who is truly detestable, despicable and
>>> immensely hypocritical. I still want to know, where did you earn the
>>> 100000$ which you sardonically offered from? Is working for
>>> Islamophobia and hatefully relevant industries eminently so
>>> profitable in western culture? As you're currently residing in the
>>> region of southeastern Europe, I wonder, what are you doing there? As
>>> Iranian based who has been extremely notorious of intently spreading
>>> hate, I couldn't unveil the nature of your work. Where does it fill?
>>> Ali Sina aims to provoke attenuated Muslims until they ultimately
>>> apostate. Be that as it may, he doesn't care about what do they embrace
>>> afterward.
>>> Is he promoting western secularism? I wonder if he perhaps could
>>> illustrate onto that. He says before that he is not an evangelist.
>>> Fine, what is he then? As to the faith talk folks, well, someone
>>> there has just told me, that I was demanded not to post to the list anymore.
>>> Well, excuse me but, this request clearly contradicts with an
>>> explicit statement that belongs to the list's essential guidelines.
>>> On your main info page, it says, "Persons of all faiths are welcome.
>>> Feel free to post, and have fun!". That what does it state there, very
>>> clearly.
>>> You can go to the list's info page and verify this claim. So, you may
>>> either remove the above statement and replace it with a statement
>>> that informs all viewers, that this list is exclusively restricted to
>>> Christian conversation and relevantly affiliated blindness interests.
>>> Or, you may say, that each and everyone that is not believing
>>> Christian is welcome to post except Muslims. We don't want them here
>>> anymore. I bet you couldn't post such thing on your main page because
>>> you will plainly violate allegedly embraced tenets of
>>> multiculturalism and coexistence. No no, sure you could. Hasn't
>>> Trump, master of peace and tolerance insistently declared such kind
>>> remarks about Muslims in the States and other minorities? What
>>> happened when I posted to the faith talk list stuff that may not
>>> necessarily concur with their beliefs or convictions as of religious and
>>> political orientation?
>>> Well, they immediately banned me from posting to the list. In other
>>> words, forcefully unsubscribed me. Well, if I will anyway be
>>> ostracised because of my religious and political opinion, what is
>>> then the proper use of the following statement? As quoted above, it
>>> says on your main info page, "persons of all faiths are welcome." So,
>>> it's either I am welcome or not welcome. I wonder if it could be
>>> both? It could be, as long as I speak against my own religion to
>>> please Americans, lords of the world. I unfortunately couldn't cope
>>> with such demand. So, I hope the temperament of the list's owners is
>>> clarified a bit. As for Ali Sina, good luck at your glorious journey
>>> of courting gorgeous women.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On 12/2/19, FFI <faithfreedom2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> I am in Ukraine, If this is hell it is too cold this time of the year.
>>>> But
>>>> the women here are actually very very beautiful. Nice hell.
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Nov 29, 2019 at 9:45 PM Mustafa Almahdy
>>>> <against.trump2001 at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> For nearly three successive months, I have been persistently
>>>>> challenging Ali Sina to enter in a debate with me about the filth
>>>>> that he presumptuously writes about Islam. He obstinately calls the
>>>>> lasciviously based soliloquy of his own sickened prejudice
>>>>> worthwhile critique. He thence is afraid of venturing into this
>>>>> altercating field, so he may not lose his averred credibility among
>>>>> disinformed audience. He runs a vicious website entitled Ali Sina
>>>>> dot org. At its inception he writes, everything you need to know
>>>>> about Islam. He should have actually written, everything I intently
>>>>> lie to you about Islam. He unfortunately takes advantage of
>>>>> people's ignorance. He deliberately misleads his indoctrinated
>>>>> viewers. On his detestable website, he often writes about
>>>>> arbitrarily anonymous mortals who are allegedly Muslims. Therein,
>>>>> they have supposedly sought his eminent advice which has led to
>>>>> their ultimate apostasy. He evades conversing with me because I massively
>>>>> resemble a major threat to his reputation.
>>>>> I discredited his character and have posed decisive rebuttals to
>>>>> his truthiness. First off, why couldn't he release his accredited
>>>>> credentials or whatever that might be? Second, does he know Arabic?
>>>>> I previously demanded him to compose a basic sentence in Arabic,
>>>>> but he just couldn't. Third, in his recent message to me, he asked
>>>>> me to bring him someone to debate with, and he proposed to pay us
>>>>> 100000$, arranged half to half, between me and the one that I will
>>>>> bring. My question here is, why couldn't you just debate me for
>>>>> free? And, where did you get all this money from? Is working in the
>>>>> field of Islamophobia that profitable in the west? I hope he
>>>>> bravely answers any of these critical questions. Now, to those who
>>>>> purposely harbour such fugitives and hatemongers, you must plainly
>>>>> fathom, that the current situation won't ever be infinite in any
>>>>> manner. I one day shall catch this Ali Sina and will then coerce
>>>>> him into direct engagement, whereas people as of Muslims and others
>>>>> alike can certainly see and judge. I genuinely believe that
>>>>> attainting this person's competency is much worse than actually putting
>>>>> him to death.
>>>>> If you're truly a man, you may then accept debating me. As of right
>>>>> now, he cowardly hides like a nasty mous. He is absolutely
>>>>> terrified of being caught and exposed. Had he been confident of
>>>>> himself, he would have then accepted my longly suspended debating
>>>>> proposal. His financial offer etc is just an enact to deride and
>>>>> avoid any potential confrontation. I, however, won't ever leave him
>>>>> on his own. Even if he hides below the seventh ground, I will chase
>>>>> him. I will keep beating him up until he is wholly destroyed. I
>>>>> knew where do you currently reside in Europe. We're going to meet
>>>>> soon, so watch out, son of Sina.,
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>> <http://www.faithfreedom.org>
>>>>
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>Message: 4
>Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2019 23:30:18 -0500
>From: andrew edgcumbe <rollercoasterman86 at gmail.com>
>To: "Faith-talk, for the discussion of Blindness in faith and
> religion" <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>Subject: Re: [Faith-Talk] Bethlehem avenue, Ali Sina, has failed and
> he is in hell
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>well i agree with Joy. this is not the list to discuss believs i
>thought this list was here to discuss blindness and issues blind
>people have within church not beliefs as such. by looks of it you
>sent this essage to some of your contacts and included it in the
>group within that contact list. Either Jesus says is who he says or
>he is a lyer and we have wasted our time in our churches worshiping a
>false God. The thing is this we are not to hate one another nor put
>people down.
>
>On 12/4/19, BRUCE&JOY BRESLAUER via Faith-Talk <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Mustafa,
>>
>> I will say what I have to say, and then I will not engage with you further.
>>
>> We are not the Western media. We are a group of blind people here to
>> discuss
>> how blindness affects our lives as religious participants. Sometimes the
>> discussion does stray into religious beliefs, but we are not here to bash
>> one
>> another or to put one another down. Many of us on this list are Christians,
>>
>> but the purpose of this list is not to debate religion. We are not here to
>>
>> spread hatred or vitriol. This is not the list to discuss your opinion of
>> someone else's beliefs. If you were truly interested in discussing religion
>>
>> calmly and rationally, that might be one thing. We believe what we believe
>> and
>> you believe what you believe, and we will never agree. You believe that
>> what
>> you believe is correct, and so do we. So do adherents of every religion or
>>
>> nonreligion. We can't all be right. Two opposing views cannot both be
>> true.
>> The Bible says that Jesus said, "before Abraham was, I am," so he predates
>> Mohammed and everyone else. (John 8:58.) There is nothing to debate. I
>> would
>> rather go through my life and die believing what I believe. If I am wrong,
>>
>> then I lose everything. If I am right, then I gain everything. I will
>> gladly
>> take the risk. What about you?
>>
>> I'm sure you know that there are Christians and then there are Christians,
>> just
>> like there are Moslems and Moslems. Some are strident and hateful, some are
>>
>> not. We are all learning and striving to be better, especially if we live a
>>
>> life of prayer and contemplation, read the Scriptures, and exhibit the
>> fruits
>> of the Spirit to others: love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness,
>> faithfulness, gentleness, and self-control. (Galatians 5: 22-23.) These are
>>
>> not things I can conjure up on my own; they are the result of living the
>> life
>> of a connected branch. (John 15:5.) Without being connected to that
>> life-giving vine, I can do nothing. I do not have the right to be
>> judgmental,
>> but I do have the right to be a fruit inspector. (Matthew 7:15-20.) What I
>> see
>> is not a matter of my opinion; it is self-evident. That is something you
>> and
>> Allah will have to come to terms with at some point.
>>
>> Many awful things have been done in the name of religion, every religion.
>> That
>> is not an excuse, it is a fact.
>>
>> Jesus willingly gave up His deity to come to earth as a man, to live among
>> us
>> for a time, to be crucified for our sins, and to rise from the dead
>> victorious
>> over sin and death. He had to do it because no one else could. No one else
>> is
>> pure enough, only God. No one else is sinless--not you, not me, not
>> Mohammed.
>> Mohammed did not rise from the dead to eternal life. Jesus did. He said He
>>
>> would, and that is why He came. The tomb was sealed and guarded to prevent
>>
>> His getting out, and no one could believe it when He actually did. Women
>> spread the news, which was contrary to the culture of the day. This is all
>>
>> fact, not conjecture. He appeared to many people afterwards, hundreds at a
>>
>> time, so they couldn't continue with the conspiracy theories that maybe
>> somebody stole the body. The tomb was empty and the burial clothes were
>> still
>> there, wrapped up like a body was still in them. People saw Him, complete
>> with
>> the nail prints in His hands and feet and the wound in His side. They wrote
>>
>> down what they saw. God's foolishness is wiser than man's wisdom. (1
>> Corinthians 1:25.)
>>
>> So the bottom line is, what will you do with this Jesus? Either He is who
>> He
>> says He is, or he is a liar, or he is crazy. If you truly search the
>> Scriptures with an open mind and heart, you will find out which is true.
>>
>> Joy
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Faith-Talk <faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Mustafa
>> Almahdy
>> via Faith-Talk
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2019 2:21 PM
>> To: faith-talk at nfbnet.org
>> Cc: Mustafa Almahdy <against.trump2001 at gmail.com>; rickevans5 at gmail.com;
>> tingram at hbbc.org; debbiedrylie at gmail.com; moore at donaldmoore.org;
>> erickelly at bellsouth.net; dlgoza at jeffersonbaptist.org
>> Subject: Re: [Faith-Talk] Bethlehem avenue, Ali Sina, has failed and he is
>> in
>> hell
>>
>> Well obviously, I knew who Lutherans are. The cardinal doctrine of
>> justifying
>> faith alone is not sufficient for me. I don't recall that I have spoken
>> rudely
>> to someone though. I am just asking for some proper equity, as Islam is
>> being
>> brought to discussion or even critique in western media. When doing so, it's
>>
>> constantly subjected to unfavourable judgement. It isn't fair at all, to
>> intently insist to misportray Islam and its tenets through introducing it to
>>
>> the masses by intense haters, unjust viewers. Ali Sina deceives westerns
>> when
>> he tells them, that Islam couldn't cope with modern western fundamentals.
>> Well, this isn't quite precise, critical or even transpicuous. Ali Sina is
>> notoriously dishonest about everything related to Islam.
>> Through eight consecutive centuries, Andalusian Muslim
>> civilisation has contributed distinctly outstanding breakthroughs to
>> untutored
>> Medieval denizens. So, Islam encourages its embracers to ponder, contribute
>> and
>> explore. Nonetheless, for the past 200 years, Muslims haven't invented
>> anything
>> useful to either themselves or others. Thence, they reached the back of the
>>
>> caravan and became such backward, influenced, defeated and manipulated
>> nation.
>> The Koran told Muslims, that they're the best of people, as long as they
>> enjoin
>> good, forbid evil and believe in God. So, if they failed to fulfill any of
>> these terms, they're then no longer the best of people. One of the main
>> reasons
>> for which I love Islam so much, is the fact that it is the only faith on
>> earth
>> which criticises its own followers if they failed to maintain the competent
>>
>> status of proper religious tenets.
>> Adhereing certain concepts doesn't guarantee its believing individuals a
>> blank
>> check to heaven. There is no such thing in Islam.
>> Islam advocates for a global vision of substantial reform in all life
>> aspects.
>> Therefore, despite anyone's ethnic affiliation, as long as he is firmly
>> loyal
>> to Islam, he could be the best of and even, at the top of its scholarship.
>> So
>> for instance, despite his enormously extraneous origin, for his uniquely
>> masterpiece in Hadith discipline, imam Bukhari became the invincible
>> scholar
>> on that regard. Well, he wasn't initially Arab. Nonetheless, he mastered
>> Arabic
>> and produced a wonderful textbook in its eloquent rhetoric. This
>> extraordinary
>> chef-d'oeuvre is broadly considered to be the top of major sunnah references
>>
>> and the most authentic source of Islam after the Koran, known as, (Sahih
>> al-Bukhari). I hope we have a chance to introduce Islam to others as we see
>> it
>> and practice its tenets. I disregard a nasty version of Islam introduced by
>>
>> people like Ali Sina, who is merely a hatemonger, uses defamation of Islam
>> to
>> bootlick westerns and gain dominance among them. Outspokenly, that's a major
>>
>> threat, when working for hate, deceit, denouncement and deliberate
>> denigration
>> instantly becomes an emphatically recognised path to fame in the west.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 12/3/19, Ericka via Faith-Talk <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> Not all Christians are evangelists. I am Lutheran. We are asked not so
>>> much to shove Bible passages down peoples throats as to live our life
>>> according toChrists' example and teaching. The Bible to me is not
>>> something to be read literally and taken literally; it is a guidebook.
>>> Through the examples of those who have acted respectfully and not so
>>> respectfully we come to see ourselves in the Scriptures and learn how
>>> to handle situations in a way that respects all of his creation
>>> including the human beings on this earth. We are not called to be
>>> drunken, gluttonous, greedy, arrogant, and so on. If you look in
>>> Galatians for the fruits of the spirit, these are what we are called to
>>> beat
>>> others and good suggestions to take care of yourself as well.
>>> It looks like cell control something you need to work on as I don't
>>> appreciate the rudeness you treated Adriana.
>>>
>>> God sent Jesus to us to free us from rules in the Old Testament since
>>> apparently people weren't understanding what God wanted us to act and
>>> why.
>>>
>>> Whether you're Jewish, Islamic or Christian etc. there are people who
>>> are go to humans and then there are bad ones. Islamic dictator is
>>> killing their own faithful is not any better than The Crusades. It's a
>>> humanity problem that we all struggle with so you can't blame our
>>> maker whether it be God as the Christian and see it, Allah, or the supreme
>>>
>>> being and so on. We screwup.
>>> Instead of dissecting everything, why don't we start looking at the
>>> common believes and bond together for a better world we have here too
>>> and have it rather than hurting others, just respecting others and
>>> either way not making our faiths look respectable.
>>>
>>> Ericka Nelson
>>>
>>>> On Dec 3, 2019, at 11:00 AM, Mustafa Almahdy via Faith-Talk
>>>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> ?Well, you're in hell as of being such a miserable failure, not able
>>>> to respond to my longly held debating challenge. As for good looking
>>>> women, that's the maximum rate of someone at your disposal. I don't
>>>> know about these things. But I know, that staring at women illicitly
>>>> is strictly prohibited in Islam. Now, as these evangelists who
>>>> cluselessly fend for your plainly hateful attitude may have noticed,
>>>> you're not proselytising to their faith in any manner. You're just
>>>> spreading hate and deceit about Islam. Nonetheless, that seems to be
>>>> quite sufficient for them to unconsciously endorse you. I think we're
>>>> fully aware as of right now, who is truly detestable, despicable and
>>>> immensely hypocritical. I still want to know, where did you earn the
>>>> 100000$ which you sardonically offered from? Is working for
>>>> Islamophobia and hatefully relevant industries eminently so
>>>> profitable in western culture? As you're currently residing in the
>>>> region of southeastern Europe, I wonder, what are you doing there? As
>>>> Iranian based who has been extremely notorious of intently spreading
>>>> hate, I couldn't unveil the nature of your work. Where does it fill?
>>>> Ali Sina aims to provoke attenuated Muslims until they ultimately
>>>> apostate. Be that as it may, he doesn't care about what do they embrace
>>>> afterward.
>>>> Is he promoting western secularism? I wonder if he perhaps could
>>>> illustrate onto that. He says before that he is not an evangelist.
>>>> Fine, what is he then? As to the faith talk folks, well, someone
>>>> there has just told me, that I was demanded not to post to the list
>>>> anymore.
>>>> Well, excuse me but, this request clearly contradicts with an
>>>> explicit statement that belongs to the list's essential guidelines.
>>>> On your main info page, it says, "Persons of all faiths are welcome.
>>>> Feel free to post, and have fun!". That what does it state there, very
>>>> clearly.
>>>> You can go to the list's info page and verify this claim. So, you may
>>>> either remove the above statement and replace it with a statement
>>>> that informs all viewers, that this list is exclusively restricted to
>>>> Christian conversation and relevantly affiliated blindness interests.
>>>> Or, you may say, that each and everyone that is not believing
>>>> Christian is welcome to post except Muslims. We don't want them here
>>>> anymore. I bet you couldn't post such thing on your main page because
>>>> you will plainly violate allegedly embraced tenets of
>>>> multiculturalism and coexistence. No no, sure you could. Hasn't
>>>> Trump, master of peace and tolerance insistently declared such kind
>>>> remarks about Muslims in the States and other minorities? What
>>>> happened when I posted to the faith talk list stuff that may not
>>>> necessarily concur with their beliefs or convictions as of religious and
>>>>
>>>> political orientation?
>>>> Well, they immediately banned me from posting to the list. In other
>>>> words, forcefully unsubscribed me. Well, if I will anyway be
>>>> ostracised because of my religious and political opinion, what is
>>>> then the proper use of the following statement? As quoted above, it
>>>> says on your main info page, "persons of all faiths are welcome." So,
>>>> it's either I am welcome or not welcome. I wonder if it could be
>>>> both? It could be, as long as I speak against my own religion to
>>>> please Americans, lords of the world. I unfortunately couldn't cope
>>>> with such demand. So, I hope the temperament of the list's owners is
>>>> clarified a bit. As for Ali Sina, good luck at your glorious journey
>>>> of courting gorgeous women.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On 12/2/19, FFI <faithfreedom2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> I am in Ukraine, If this is hell it is too cold this time of the year.
>>>>> But
>>>>> the women here are actually very very beautiful. Nice hell.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Nov 29, 2019 at 9:45 PM Mustafa Almahdy
>>>>> <against.trump2001 at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> For nearly three successive months, I have been persistently
>>>>>> challenging Ali Sina to enter in a debate with me about the filth
>>>>>> that he presumptuously writes about Islam. He obstinately calls the
>>>>>> lasciviously based soliloquy of his own sickened prejudice
>>>>>> worthwhile critique. He thence is afraid of venturing into this
>>>>>> altercating field, so he may not lose his averred credibility among
>>>>>> disinformed audience. He runs a vicious website entitled Ali Sina
>>>>>> dot org. At its inception he writes, everything you need to know
>>>>>> about Islam. He should have actually written, everything I intently
>>>>>> lie to you about Islam. He unfortunately takes advantage of
>>>>>> people's ignorance. He deliberately misleads his indoctrinated
>>>>>> viewers. On his detestable website, he often writes about
>>>>>> arbitrarily anonymous mortals who are allegedly Muslims. Therein,
>>>>>> they have supposedly sought his eminent advice which has led to
>>>>>> their ultimate apostasy. He evades conversing with me because I
>>>>>> massively
>>>>>> resemble a major threat to his reputation.
>>>>>> I discredited his character and have posed decisive rebuttals to
>>>>>> his truthiness. First off, why couldn't he release his accredited
>>>>>> credentials or whatever that might be? Second, does he know Arabic?
>>>>>> I previously demanded him to compose a basic sentence in Arabic,
>>>>>> but he just couldn't. Third, in his recent message to me, he asked
>>>>>> me to bring him someone to debate with, and he proposed to pay us
>>>>>> 100000$, arranged half to half, between me and the one that I will
>>>>>> bring. My question here is, why couldn't you just debate me for
>>>>>> free? And, where did you get all this money from? Is working in the
>>>>>> field of Islamophobia that profitable in the west? I hope he
>>>>>> bravely answers any of these critical questions. Now, to those who
>>>>>> purposely harbour such fugitives and hatemongers, you must plainly
>>>>>> fathom, that the current situation won't ever be infinite in any
>>>>>> manner. I one day shall catch this Ali Sina and will then coerce
>>>>>> him into direct engagement, whereas people as of Muslims and others
>>>>>> alike can certainly see and judge. I genuinely believe that
>>>>>> attainting this person's competency is much worse than actually putting
>>>>>>
>>>>>> him to death.
>>>>>> If you're truly a man, you may then accept debating me. As of right
>>>>>> now, he cowardly hides like a nasty mous. He is absolutely
>>>>>> terrified of being caught and exposed. Had he been confident of
>>>>>> himself, he would have then accepted my longly suspended debating
>>>>>> proposal. His financial offer etc is just an enact to deride and
>>>>>> avoid any potential confrontation. I, however, won't ever leave him
>>>>>> on his own. Even if he hides below the seventh ground, I will chase
>>>>>> him. I will keep beating him up until he is wholly destroyed. I
>>>>>> knew where do you currently reside in Europe. We're going to meet
>>>>>> soon, so watch out, son of Sina.,
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> alisina.org <http://www.alisina.org> faithfreedom.org
>>>>> <http://www.faithfreedom.org>
>>>>>
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