[Faith-Talk] Introduction From Rilind+Re: Bethlehem avenue, Ali Sina, has failed and he is in hell

[Ericka]

You have come to the right place. Many of us have not felt welcomed in our congregations because of our blindness. Some of us have found a way to surpass that and serve in some capacity and others are somewhere in the middle of their journey. For others here, is there a Canadian NFBW type Communities where this person can get a little bit more help? Not living in Canada and not really familiar with nondenominational places etc. I don’t feel I can help much.

I am praying for you on the journey.

Ericka Nelson

> On Dec 5, 2019, at 2:56 PM, andrew edgcumbe via Faith-Talk <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi Dave for me though i am from canada but for me i have great
> difficaulty finding ways to serve in a sence i really don't know a
> what church I really belong in because i need to be somewhere i can
> help out and yet have connections close to my age but in some ways i
> don't feel excepted because of my blindness.
> 
>> On 12/5/19, David Moore via Faith-Talk <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Hello Rilind!
>> My name is David Moore in Columbus,
>> Ohio!
>> I have a powerful testimony as well, and I would like to tell you privately,
>> because this is not the place to go through my long testimony, because I
>> have done it on other lists!
>> I am totally blind, 53, and grew up in a small town where I did not learn
>> how to be independent until 18.
>> I became a Christian in 1999.
>> You are so right about good works flowing out of faith.
>> Jesus does al the work, and gives you all you need to do his work.
>> The strength does not come from you, that is the difference!
>> I am married to Traci, and I serve in my church in many ways, knowing that
>> it is just Jesus and I who can work out everything.
>> It does not take a man-made system call religion.
>> That is one of many things I feel the Lord has shown me over many years of
>> being in many different churches, and I have experienced about everything in
>> different churches, and I was a Mormon for a while!
>> I have a lot of wisdom and experience that I believe I could encourage you
>> with, and I can identify with some of what you said!
>> Here is my private email:
>> jesusloves1966 at gmail.com
>> I really pray you email me, and we could chat!
>> I am also on Facebook and Twitter.
>> Have a great one, Rilind, and Moro, it was great to hear from you as well.
>> It is great to hear from you guys up north in Canada!
>> I love talking to people who live in Canada!
>> Some of the most friendly and caring people I have met live there!
>> God bless all!
>> Merry Christmas to all who want to accept it!
>> David Moore
>> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>> 
>> From: Rilind Dragoshi via Faith-Talk
>> Sent: Thursday, December 5, 2019 11:26 AM
>> To: faith-talk at nfbnet.org
>> Cc: Rilind Dragoshi
>> Subject: [Faith-Talk] Introduction From Rilind+Re: Bethlehem avenue, Ali
>> Sina,has failed and he is in hell
>> 
>> Hello everyone.
>> My name is Rilind.
>> I didn't know if I should introduce myself here or even comment on this
>> issue as there are many chalenges associated with publicly coming out in
>> this topic here, but,life belongs to God, and scripture tells us that this
>> is life that we may know the one true God and Jesus Christ who he as sent.
>> For personal reasons, at one point today I had considered messaging a list
>> moderator and to ask to have it posted but then I knew that our friend
>> mMustafa, that you might say oh look how they make up stories, and might say
>> someone made this story up. So I said I'm going to discuss my story to
>> explain not how good I am, (actually the opposite). But how good God is.
>> Also, from a list standpoint, I didn't even know that this topic has
>> relevance to blindness and faith at all. However, I also want to say that I
>> have been subscribed for a long time, and, I was never sure if I would ever
>> want to share my testimony here, but then decided that I will. I am 100%
>> blind, and some of the chalenges are related to blindness. With that in mind
>> I thought it is okay to share here.
>> I don't want to go in to long detail about myself because of this topic but,
>> I will say for sure that I live in Canada, born in Kosovo, speak Albanian
>> English and some French, and, although noone is perfect, I have, from 2013
>> accepted Jesus Christ as my Lord and savior. Baptism someday too hopefully.
>> About myself I'll say: I finished my Psychology degree, I do call centre
>> work as well as English practicing work. I like walks, music, and family, as
>> well as travel.
>> My personal struggles in life now include anger that I am single, not being
>> able to go to Church due to my situation; arguing too much with people who
>> don't respect my beliefs such as my parents.
>> Yes my friend, according to Islam, I may be going to Hell and if it's true
>> then I would have to. Something else is if I don't repent and I continue in
>> being upset and angry and things Paul says, I could go to Hell too. We have
>> verses in the Bible about people who continue in certain sins not entering
>> the kingdom of God. But, I believe that God himself came in the person of
>> Jesus Christ, that he lived a perfect life, that the Isaiah 51 chapter is
>> about him, and that just as Stephen saw, he is now at the right hand of God,
>> and just as Revelation says, that the same will be in his family who conquer
>> and overcome. I am not a universalist, but even in the harshest times of
>> judgement, the Bible says everyone who calls on the name of the lord shall
>> be saved, and also Paul talks about that every knee will bough and every
>> tongue confess. I believing in the living faith, I used to think too, that
>> Christianity meant just you're saved no matter what you do, but I know now
>> that salvation is through faith, but faith without works is dead, so we
>> aren't saved if we do certain works, but that faith in itself means that
>> specific things will be the fruit of that faith.
>> Since this is about beliefs, I'm going to share my testimony to show people
>> here that it's not all about hate that people chose Jesus, but about love of
>> the truth.
>> It's a long story so please bare with me.
>> 
>> My tesstimony, now that is an interesting story in itself that I will try to
>> explain.
>> It is a long story.
>> So I had my regular universalist beliefs and Islam.
>> I grew up initially secular Muslim, then at age 10 I would ask my
>> grandfather about God, and then at age 13 I read the Bible, then soon after,
>> the Quran. From an Islam-based perspective, I would read Harun Yahya a lot,
>> and read the Quran at age 13. I have a great family but as I am blind, I
>> wasn't able to visit any places of worship as often as my family didn't want
>> me to be involved in worship they would say it's better to stay at home.
>> When I started at Crandall University I would help with the prison ministry
>> program there and go to the senior's home as well, to Briarlea. We would go
>> on Fridays to sing hymns, play bingo, and I found out, once a month that
>> we'd be doing communion. I didn't mind at all doing the visits it wasn't
>> required or anything I just knew from previous experience and Ronald
>> Weinland and other folks, I knew that ministry meant service, so I wanted to
>> help out even though i wasn't Christian. I loved it. Now when we were
>> getting closer to the end of the month and when it was time for Communion
>> week coming by, I realised that I probably didn't think I should go. I
>> thought okay, if I don't go it will be random I don't want to just all of a
>> sudden say I'm busy just on that one week when there's communion but, if I
>> go I thought then I would feel out of place in the sense that I'd feel
>> disrespectful if I'm there and not taking communion. So what I did, I sent a
>> message to my professor that did the ministry program and told him about my
>> situation. I explained to him I definitely always enjoy coming and all the
>> activities but that I wasn't sure if I should come since I'm not able to
>> take communion given A that I didn't feel it was right since not baptized
>> and B where I was also more Muslim and also Universalist. I told him I
>> wanted to come but thought I shouldn't since I didn't want to be
>> disrespectful. He said I could come and that it's completely okay since
>> people don't expect people to take communion if they don't.
>> So next week I just went and that was fine. Before I went (I usually was
>> there early since I'd wait after my stats class that ended around 11:30
>> until we left around 1 or whatever time it was, can't remember the time.
>> But, the professor was there earlier and he said oh we have 15 minutes or
>> so. He then played a video for me one was from Francis Chan and the other
>> one was from John Piper, now one of them there it talked about God and about
>> the sacrifice of Christ etc., and at one point it said "he had to die
>> because a crime was committed". For the first time, I learned why the
>> sacrifice was believed. As a non-Christian at the time and before, my
>> trouble was never with whether God would send his son or sacrifice etc., it
>> was more, that he wouldn't need to. However, I realised after that that
>> there is a God who both is just and merciful, wanting to forgive, but also
>> that couldn't without the penalty being payed, wouldn't, without the penalty
>> being payed.
>> At this point I didn't know what to do with this information.
>> Something key is when Muslim (even if secular even if more bookworm than
>> practicing), you don't ever think okay I want to switch. At that time though
>> I thought hey if I accept Christ, I will be forgiven of all sins and I will
>> be living the life with God but being able to repent instead of having the
>> punishments in this world and the hereafter in the way that the Quran
>> explained. So, I had a formula for repentence and forgiveness. Now there was
>> very clearly the problem that I also couldn't just leave because I knew in
>> the Quran that A In the Quran those who believe in God and do good deeds
>> went to heaven, and B that there are clear verses there that if someone
>> accepts something other than Muslim, it says God will never accept it and
>> that in the next life you're going to be a loser. I didn't know if it meant
>> Hell, but, I didn't want to become a loser either. Thus, there was a dilemma
>> I had. At the time, I felt that the only solution to both be forgiven as
>> well as to also make sure I don't become a loser or go to Hell was to be
>> both a Christian and a Muslim. I didn't even know how to do this so I went
>> on Google of all places to type in how to be both a Christian and a Muslim.
>> I found many pages, and of course, most pages were about how you can't. I
>> didn't want that though sso I kept looking. Later I found a website called
>> messianicmuslims.com that's not even there anymore for some reason, but, in
>> it talks about essentially a number of things about how I could do that.
>> It talked about the fact that the Quran didn't say the scriptures were
>> corrupt but just how they were explained. It talked about how the Quran when
>> it said that Jesus wasn't his son it was saying more because not literally.
>> It went on to say when it says the Jews didn't kill him it was because the
>> Romans actually made the order, etc. So in this article I realised that I
>> could accept him as my king, and from that point I was more Christian
>> Muslim.
>> I didn't have a church, e etc, just read both. Now later on I found a house
>> church and I felt I could be accepted since it was the gospel but accepting
>> everyone. My professor I had asked him about it when I saw it and he said he
>> was going to speak there that week, so, I went with him that week. It was a
>> great community that did downtown ministry and other activities together,
>> prayer and fellowship hangout etc., and I enjoyed the visit.
>> I couldn't go very often though and still don't go to any of the church
>> meetings  often because my family doesn't like that I want to b Christian,
>> many get upset, some say I'd be kicked out of the house if I wasn't blind,
>> etc., but I then get upset too like I don't go often mostly because I need
>> to have the right attitude if I'm both going and angry then that isn't being
>> a good example, but I've continued I'll have coffee sometimes, go for supper
>> when I can, etc., and sometimes rarely on Wednesdays or something somewhere
>> for prayer.
>> Now, it was only after that I became Christian fully. It was in early 2016
>> where God fully told me that in a dream, that the Bible is to be the leading
>> influence in my life. Then from there I knew that it was important for me to
>> specifically be Christian.
>> 
>> That's my story.
>> God bless:
>> Rilind.
>> 
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>> Today's Topics:
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>>   1. Re: Bethlehem avenue, Ali Sina, has failed and he is in hell
>>      (Mustafa Almahdy)
>>   2. Re: Bethlehem avenue, Ali Sina, has failed and he is inhell
>>      (David Moore)
>>   3. Re: Bethlehem avenue, Ali Sina, has failed and he is in hell
>>      (BRUCE&JOY BRESLAUER)
>>   4. Re: Bethlehem avenue, Ali Sina, has failed and he is in hell
>>      (andrew edgcumbe)
>> 
>> 
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>> Message: 1
>> Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2019 23:21:29 +0200
>> From: Mustafa Almahdy <against.trump2001 at gmail.com>
>> To: faith-talk at nfbnet.org
>> Cc: dotwriter1 at gmail.com, debbiedrylie at gmail.com,
>>    moore at donaldmoore.org,    dlgoza at jeffersonbaptist.org,
>>    erickelly at bellsouth.net,    rickevans5 at gmail.com, tingram at hbbc.org
>> Subject: Re: [Faith-Talk] Bethlehem avenue, Ali Sina, has failed and
>>    he is in hell
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>> 
>> Well obviously, I knew who Lutherans are. The cardinal doctrine of
>> justifying faith alone is not sufficient for me. I don't recall that I
>> have spoken rudely to someone though. I am just asking for some proper
>> equity, as Islam is being brought to discussion or even critique in
>> western media. When doing so, it's constantly subjected to
>> unfavourable judgement. It isn't fair at all, to intently insist to
>> misportray Islam and its tenets through introducing it to the masses
>> by intense haters, unjust viewers. Ali Sina deceives westerns when he
>> tells them, that Islam couldn't cope with modern western fundamentals.
>> Well, this isn't quite precise, critical or even transpicuous. Ali
>> Sina is notoriously dishonest about everything related to Islam.
>> Through eight consecutive centuries, Andalusian          Muslim
>> civilisation has contributed distinctly outstanding breakthroughs to
>> untutored Medieval denizens. So, Islam encourages its embracers to
>> ponder, contribute and explore. Nonetheless, for the past 200 years,
>> Muslims haven't invented anything useful to either themselves or
>> others. Thence, they reached the back of the caravan and became such
>> backward, influenced, defeated and manipulated nation. The Koran told
>> Muslims, that they're the best of people, as long as they enjoin good,
>> forbid evil and believe in God. So, if they failed to fulfill any of
>> these terms, they're then no longer the best of people. One of the
>> main reasons for which I love Islam so much, is the fact that it is
>> the only faith on earth which criticises its own followers if they
>> failed to maintain the competent status of proper religious tenets.
>> Adhereing  certain concepts doesn't guarantee its believing
>> individuals a blank check to heaven. There is no such thing in Islam.
>> Islam advocates for a global vision of substantial reform in all life
>> aspects. Therefore, despite anyone's ethnic affiliation, as long as he
>> is firmly loyal to Islam, he could be the best of and even, at the top
>> of its scholarship. So for instance, despite his enormously extraneous
>> origin, for his uniquely masterpiece in Hadith discipline, imam
>> Bukhari  became the invincible scholar on that regard. Well, he wasn't
>> initially Arab. Nonetheless, he mastered Arabic and produced a
>> wonderful textbook in its eloquent rhetoric. This extraordinary
>> chef-d'oeuvre is broadly considered to be the top of major sunnah
>> references and the most authentic source of Islam after the Koran,
>> known as, (Sahih al-Bukhari). I hope we have a chance to introduce
>> Islam to others as we see it and practice its tenets. I disregard a
>> nasty version of Islam introduced by people like Ali Sina, who is
>> merely a hatemonger, uses defamation of Islam to bootlick westerns and
>> gain dominance among them. Outspokenly, that's a major threat, when
>> working for hate, deceit, denouncement and deliberate denigration
>> instantly becomes an emphatically recognised path to fame in the west.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 12/3/19, Ericka via Faith-Talk <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> Not all Christians are evangelists. I am Lutheran. We are asked not so
>>> much
>>> to shove Bible passages down peoples throats as to live our life
>>> according
>>> toChrists? example and teaching. The Bible to me is not something to be
>>> read
>>> literally and taken literally; it is a guidebook. Through the examples of
>>> those who have acted respectfully and not so respectfully we come to see
>>> ourselves in the Scriptures and learn how to handle situations in a way
>>> that
>>> respects all of his creation including the human beings on this earth. We
>>> are not called to be drunken, gluttonous, greedy, arrogant, and so on. If
>>> you look in Galatians for the fruits of the spirit, these are what we are
>>> called to beat others and good suggestions to take care of yourself as
>>> well.
>>> It looks like cell control something you need to work on as I don?t
>>> appreciate the rudeness you treated Adriana.
>>> 
>>> God sent Jesus to us to free us from rules in the Old Testament since
>>> apparently people weren?t understanding what God wanted us to act and
>>> why.
>>> 
>>> Whether you?re Jewish, Islamic or Christian etc. there are people who are
>>> go
>>> to humans and then there are bad ones. Islamic dictator is killing their
>>> own
>>> faithful is not any better than The Crusades. It?s a humanity problem
>>> that
>>> we all struggle with so you can?t blame our maker whether it be God as
>>> the
>>> Christian and see it, Allah, or the supreme being and so on. We screwup.
>>> Instead of dissecting everything, why don?t we start looking at the
>>> common
>>> believes and bond together for a better world we have here too and have
>>> it
>>> rather than hurting others, just respecting others and either way not
>>> making
>>> our faiths look respectable.
>>> 
>>> Ericka Nelson
>>> 
>>>> On Dec 3, 2019, at 11:00 AM, Mustafa Almahdy via Faith-Talk
>>>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> ?Well, you're in hell as of being such a miserable failure, not able to
>>>> respond to my longly held debating challenge. As for good looking
>>>> women, that's the maximum rate of someone at your disposal. I don't
>>>> know about these things. But I know, that staring at women illicitly
>>>> is strictly prohibited in Islam. Now, as these evangelists who
>>>> cluselessly fend for your plainly hateful attitude may have noticed,
>>>> you're not proselytising  to their faith in any manner. You're just
>>>> spreading hate and deceit about Islam. Nonetheless, that seems to be
>>>> quite sufficient for them to unconsciously endorse you. I think we're
>>>> fully aware as of right now, who is truly detestable, despicable and
>>>> immensely hypocritical. I still want to know, where did you earn the
>>>> 100000$ which you sardonically offered from? Is working for
>>>> Islamophobia and hatefully relevant industries eminently so profitable
>>>> in western culture? As you're currently residing in the region of
>>>> southeastern Europe, I wonder, what are you doing there? As Iranian
>>>> based who has been extremely notorious of intently spreading hate, I
>>>> couldn't unveil the nature of your work. Where does it fill? Ali Sina
>>>> aims to provoke attenuated Muslims until they ultimately apostate. Be
>>>> that as it may, he doesn't care about what do they embrace afterward.
>>>> Is he promoting western secularism? I wonder if he perhaps could
>>>> illustrate onto that. He says before that he is not an evangelist.
>>>> Fine, what is he then? As to the faith talk folks, well, someone there
>>>> has just told me, that I was demanded not to post to the list anymore.
>>>> Well, excuse me but, this request clearly contradicts with an explicit
>>>> statement that belongs to the list's essential guidelines. On your
>>>> main info page, it says, "Persons of all faiths are welcome. Feel free
>>>> to post, and have fun!". That what does it state there, very clearly.
>>>> You can go to the list's info page and verify this claim. So, you may
>>>> either remove the above statement and replace it with a statement that
>>>> informs all viewers, that this list is exclusively restricted to
>>>> Christian conversation and relevantly affiliated blindness interests.
>>>> Or, you may say, that each and everyone that is not believing
>>>> Christian is welcome to post except Muslims. We don't want them here
>>>> anymore. I bet you couldn't post such thing on your main page because
>>>> you will plainly violate allegedly embraced tenets of multiculturalism
>>>> and coexistence. No no, sure you could. Hasn't Trump, master of peace
>>>> and tolerance insistently declared such kind remarks about Muslims in
>>>> the States and other minorities? What happened when I posted to the
>>>> faith talk list stuff that may not necessarily concur with their
>>>> beliefs or convictions as of religious and political orientation?
>>>> Well, they immediately banned me from posting to the list. In other
>>>> words, forcefully unsubscribed me. Well, if I will anyway be
>>>> ostracised because of my religious and political opinion, what is then
>>>> the proper use of the following statement? As quoted above, it says on
>>>> your main info page, "persons of all faiths are welcome." So, it's
>>>> either I am welcome or not welcome. I wonder if it could be both? It
>>>> could be, as long as I speak against my own religion to please
>>>> Americans, lords of the world. I unfortunately couldn't cope with such
>>>> demand. So, I hope the temperament of the list's owners is clarified a
>>>> bit. As for Ali Sina, good luck at your glorious journey of courting
>>>> gorgeous women.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On 12/2/19, FFI <faithfreedom2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> I am in Ukraine, If this is hell it is too cold this time of the year.
>>>>> But
>>>>> the women here are actually very very beautiful.  Nice hell.
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Fri, Nov 29, 2019 at 9:45 PM Mustafa Almahdy
>>>>> <against.trump2001 at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> For nearly three successive months, I have been persistently
>>>>>> challenging Ali Sina to enter in a debate with me about the filth that
>>>>>> he presumptuously writes about Islam. He obstinately calls the
>>>>>> lasciviously based soliloquy of his own sickened prejudice worthwhile
>>>>>> critique. He thence is afraid of venturing into this altercating
>>>>>> field, so he may not lose his averred credibility among disinformed
>>>>>> audience. He runs a vicious website entitled Ali Sina dot org. At its
>>>>>> inception he writes, everything you need to know about Islam. He
>>>>>> should have actually written, everything I intently lie to you about
>>>>>> Islam. He unfortunately takes advantage of people's ignorance. He
>>>>>> deliberately misleads his indoctrinated viewers. On his detestable
>>>>>> website, he often writes about arbitrarily anonymous mortals who are
>>>>>> allegedly Muslims. Therein, they have supposedly sought his eminent
>>>>>> advice which has led to their ultimate apostasy. He evades conversing
>>>>>> with me because I massively resemble a major threat to his reputation.
>>>>>> I discredited his character and have posed decisive rebuttals to his
>>>>>> truthiness. First off, why couldn't he release his accredited
>>>>>> credentials or whatever that might be? Second, does he know Arabic? I
>>>>>> previously demanded him to compose a basic sentence in Arabic, but he
>>>>>> just couldn't. Third, in his recent message to me, he asked me to
>>>>>> bring him someone to debate with, and he proposed to pay us 100000$,
>>>>>> arranged half to half, between me and the one that I will bring. My
>>>>>> question here is, why couldn't you just debate me for free? And, where
>>>>>> did you get all this money from? Is working in the field of
>>>>>> Islamophobia that profitable in the west? I hope he bravely answers
>>>>>> any of these critical questions. Now, to those who purposely harbour
>>>>>> such fugitives  and hatemongers, you must plainly fathom, that the
>>>>>> current situation won't ever be infinite in any manner. I one day
>>>>>> shall catch this Ali Sina and will then coerce him into direct
>>>>>> engagement, whereas people as of Muslims and others alike can
>>>>>> certainly see and judge. I genuinely believe that attainting this
>>>>>> person's competency is much worse than actually putting him to death.
>>>>>> If you're truly a man, you may then accept debating me. As of right
>>>>>> now, he cowardly hides like a nasty mous. He is absolutely terrified
>>>>>> of being caught and exposed. Had he been confident of himself, he
>>>>>> would have then accepted my longly suspended debating proposal. His
>>>>>> financial offer etc is just an enact to deride and avoid any potential
>>>>>> confrontation. I, however, won't ever leave him on his own. Even if he
>>>>>> hides below the seventh ground, I will chase him. I will keep beating
>>>>>> him up until he is wholly destroyed. I knew where do you currently
>>>>>> reside in Europe. We're going to meet soon, so watch out, son of
>>>>>> Sina.,
>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> --
>>>>> alisina.org <http://www.alisina.org>
>>>>> faithfreedom.org <http://www.faithfreedom.org>
>>>>> 
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>> Message: 2
>> Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2019 18:01:08 -0500
>> From: David Moore <jesusloves1966 at gmail.com>
>> To: "Faith-talk, for the discussion of Blindness in faith and
>>    religion"    <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Faith-Talk] Bethlehem avenue, Ali Sina, has failed and
>>    he is inhell
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>> 
>> Jesus said that he was God, and he proved it by rising from the dead!
>> Did Mohamad rise from the dead?
>> Also, Jesus said, ?I am the way, the truth, and the life!
>> Nobody can come to the Father except by me!
>> Also in Acts chapter 4, it says this!
>> Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under Heaven
>> given to men, by which they must be saved!
>> I believe that throws out Islam and all religion to get one to Heaven!
>> Jesus is not a religion!
>> He sacrificed his own self for all sin for all time!
>> What about the verse that says,
>> ?we are saved by grace, not by works, so that no man can boast before God!
>> If you throw in works, just how many works do you have to do to enter
>> Heaven?
>> Jesus?s blood he shed for us, forgives all sin for all time as soon as we
>> call out to him, repent, to want to change and follow Jesus, Confess Jesus
>> as God, and be baptized for the remission of our sins!
>> After that, only we can kick God out our lives, by not wanting God leading
>> us anymore!
>> We, at that time, forefoot our salvation, we do not lose it without knowing
>> it! If works are needed, why did Jesus have to go to the cross at all, and
>> be separated from his Father, because my personal sin was put upon on him,
>> and he paid the full debt for us all!
>> That is what the Word of God says, and that is all that matters!
>> Every word in the Bible, is God breathed, and when you read the Bible, you
>> are reading the living words of God!
>> God is speaking to you through his perfect Word!
>> I am saddened for you, and all people who believe that the Words of God
>> himself are just a guide for our life!
>> I have so much joy and peace by standing on the only words of God that we
>> will hear in this life!
>> Take care, all!
>> 
>> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>> 
>> From: Mustafa Almahdy via Faith-Talk
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 4, 2019 4:22 PM
>> To: faith-talk at nfbnet.org
>> Cc: Mustafa Almahdy; rickevans5 at gmail.com; tingram at hbbc.org;
>> debbiedrylie at gmail.com; moore at donaldmoore.org; erickelly at bellsouth.net;
>> dlgoza at jeffersonbaptist.org
>> Subject: Re: [Faith-Talk] Bethlehem avenue, Ali Sina, has failed and he is
>> inhell
>> 
>> Well obviously, I knew who Lutherans are. The cardinal doctrine of
>> justifying faith alone is not sufficient for me. I don't recall that I
>> have spoken rudely to someone though. I am just asking for some proper
>> equity, as Islam is being brought to discussion or even critique in
>> western media. When doing so, it's constantly subjected to
>> unfavourable judgement. It isn't fair at all, to intently insist to
>> misportray Islam and its tenets through introducing it to the masses
>> by intense haters, unjust viewers. Ali Sina deceives westerns when he
>> tells them, that Islam couldn't cope with modern western fundamentals.
>> Well, this isn't quite precise, critical or even transpicuous. Ali
>> Sina is notoriously dishonest about everything related to Islam.
>> Through eight consecutive centuries, Andalusian          Muslim
>> civilisation has contributed distinctly outstanding breakthroughs to
>> untutored Medieval denizens. So, Islam encourages its embracers to
>> ponder, contribute and explore. Nonetheless, for the past 200 years,
>> Muslims haven't invented anything useful to either themselves or
>> others. Thence, they reached the back of the caravan and became such
>> backward, influenced, defeated and manipulated nation. The Koran told
>> Muslims, that they're the best of people, as long as they enjoin good,
>> forbid evil and believe in God. So, if they failed to fulfill any of
>> these terms, they're then no longer the best of people. One of the
>> main reasons for which I love Islam so much, is the fact that it is
>> the only faith on earth which criticises its own followers if they
>> failed to maintain the competent status of proper religious tenets.
>> Adhereing  certain concepts doesn't guarantee its believing
>> individuals a blank check to heaven. There is no such thing in Islam.
>> Islam advocates for a global vision of substantial reform in all life
>> aspects. Therefore, despite anyone's ethnic affiliation, as long as he
>> is firmly loyal to Islam, he could be the best of and even, at the top
>> of its scholarship. So for instance, despite his enormously extraneous
>> origin, for his uniquely masterpiece in Hadith discipline, imam
>> Bukhari  became the invincible scholar on that regard. Well, he wasn't
>> initially Arab. Nonetheless, he mastered Arabic and produced a
>> wonderful textbook in its eloquent rhetoric. This extraordinary
>> chef-d'oeuvre is broadly considered to be the top of major sunnah
>> references and the most authentic source of Islam after the Koran,
>> known as, (Sahih al-Bukhari). I hope we have a chance to introduce
>> Islam to others as we see it and practice its tenets. I disregard a
>> nasty version of Islam introduced by people like Ali Sina, who is
>> merely a hatemonger, uses defamation of Islam to bootlick westerns and
>> gain dominance among them. Outspokenly, that's a major threat, when
>> working for hate, deceit, denouncement and deliberate denigration
>> instantly becomes an emphatically recognised path to fame in the west.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 12/3/19, Ericka via Faith-Talk <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> Not all Christians are evangelists. I am Lutheran. We are asked not so
>>> much
>>> to shove Bible passages down peoples throats as to live our life
>>> according
>>> toChrists? example and teaching. The Bible to me is not something to be
>>> read
>>> literally and taken literally; it is a guidebook. Through the examples of
>>> those who have acted respectfully and not so respectfully we come to see
>>> ourselves in the Scriptures and learn how to handle situations in a way
>>> that
>>> respects all of his creation including the human beings on this earth. We
>>> are not called to be drunken, gluttonous, greedy, arrogant, and so on. If
>>> you look in Galatians for the fruits of the spirit, these are what we are
>>> called to beat others and good suggestions to take care of yourself as
>>> well.
>>> It looks like cell control something you need to work on as I don?t
>>> appreciate the rudeness you treated Adriana.
>>> 
>>> God sent Jesus to us to free us from rules in the Old Testament since
>>> apparently people weren?t understanding what God wanted us to act and
>>> why.
>>> 
>>> Whether you?re Jewish, Islamic or Christian etc. there are people who are
>>> go
>>> to humans and then there are bad ones. Islamic dictator is killing their
>>> own
>>> faithful is not any better than The Crusades. It?s a humanity problem
>>> that
>>> we all struggle with so you can?t blame our maker whether it be God as
>>> the
>>> Christian and see it, Allah, or the supreme being and so on. We screwup.
>>> Instead of dissecting everything, why don?t we start looking at the
>>> common
>>> believes and bond together for a better world we have here too and have
>>> it
>>> rather than hurting others, just respecting others and either way not
>>> making
>>> our faiths look respectable.
>>> 
>>> Ericka Nelson
>>> 
>>>> On Dec 3, 2019, at 11:00 AM, Mustafa Almahdy via Faith-Talk
>>>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> ?Well, you're in hell as of being such a miserable failure, not able to
>>>> respond to my longly held debating challenge. As for good looking
>>>> women, that's the maximum rate of someone at your disposal. I don't
>>>> know about these things. But I know, that staring at women illicitly
>>>> is strictly prohibited in Islam. Now, as these evangelists who
>>>> cluselessly fend for your plainly hateful attitude may have noticed,
>>>> you're not proselytising  to their faith in any manner. You're just
>>>> spreading hate and deceit about Islam. Nonetheless, that seems to be
>>>> quite sufficient for them to unconsciously endorse you. I think we're
>>>> fully aware as of right now, who is truly detestable, despicable and
>>>> immensely hypocritical. I still want to know, where did you earn the
>>>> 100000$ which you sardonically offered from? Is working for
>>>> Islamophobia and hatefully relevant industries eminently so profitable
>>>> in western culture? As you're currently residing in the region of
>>>> southeastern Europe, I wonder, what are you doing there? As Iranian
>>>> based who has been extremely notorious of intently spreading hate, I
>>>> couldn't unveil the nature of your work. Where does it fill? Ali Sina
>>>> aims to provoke attenuated Muslims until they ultimately apostate. Be
>>>> that as it may, he doesn't care about what do they embrace afterward.
>>>> Is he promoting western secularism? I wonder if he perhaps could
>>>> illustrate onto that. He says before that he is not an evangelist.
>>>> Fine, what is he then? As to the faith talk folks, well, someone there
>>>> has just told me, that I was demanded not to post to the list anymore.
>>>> Well, excuse me but, this request clearly contradicts with an explicit
>>>> statement that belongs to the list's essential guidelines. On your
>>>> main info page, it says, "Persons of all faiths are welcome. Feel free
>>>> to post, and have fun!". That what does it state there, very clearly.
>>>> You can go to the list's info page and verify this claim. So, you may
>>>> either remove the above statement and replace it with a statement that
>>>> informs all viewers, that this list is exclusively restricted to
>>>> Christian conversation and relevantly affiliated blindness interests.
>>>> Or, you may say, that each and everyone that is not believing
>>>> Christian is welcome to post except Muslims. We don't want them here
>>>> anymore. I bet you couldn't post such thing on your main page because
>>>> you will plainly violate allegedly embraced tenets of multiculturalism
>>>> and coexistence. No no, sure you could. Hasn't Trump, master of peace
>>>> and tolerance insistently declared such kind remarks about Muslims in
>>>> the States and other minorities? What happened when I posted to the
>>>> faith talk list stuff that may not necessarily concur with their
>>>> beliefs or convictions as of religious and political orientation?
>>>> Well, they immediately banned me from posting to the list. In other
>>>> words, forcefully unsubscribed me. Well, if I will anyway be
>>>> ostracised because of my religious and political opinion, what is then
>>>> the proper use of the following statement? As quoted above, it says on
>>>> your main info page, "persons of all faiths are welcome." So, it's
>>>> either I am welcome or not welcome. I wonder if it could be both? It
>>>> could be, as long as I speak against my own religion to please
>>>> Americans, lords of the world. I unfortunately couldn't cope with such
>>>> demand. So, I hope the temperament of the list's owners is clarified a
>>>> bit. As for Ali Sina, good luck at your glorious journey of courting
>>>> gorgeous women.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On 12/2/19, FFI <faithfreedom2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> I am in Ukraine, If this is hell it is too cold this time of the year.
>>>>> But
>>>>> the women here are actually very very beautiful.  Nice hell.
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Fri, Nov 29, 2019 at 9:45 PM Mustafa Almahdy
>>>>> <against.trump2001 at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> For nearly three successive months, I have been persistently
>>>>>> challenging Ali Sina to enter in a debate with me about the filth that
>>>>>> he presumptuously writes about Islam. He obstinately calls the
>>>>>> lasciviously based soliloquy of his own sickened prejudice worthwhile
>>>>>> critique. He thence is afraid of venturing into this altercating
>>>>>> field, so he may not lose his averred credibility among disinformed
>>>>>> audience. He runs a vicious website entitled Ali Sina dot org. At its
>>>>>> inception he writes, everything you need to know about Islam. He
>>>>>> should have actually written, everything I intently lie to you about
>>>>>> Islam. He unfortunately takes advantage of people's ignorance. He
>>>>>> deliberately misleads his indoctrinated viewers. On his detestable
>>>>>> website, he often writes about arbitrarily anonymous mortals who are
>>>>>> allegedly Muslims. Therein, they have supposedly sought his eminent
>>>>>> advice which has led to their ultimate apostasy. He evades conversing
>>>>>> with me because I massively resemble a major threat to his reputation.
>>>>>> I discredited his character and have posed decisive rebuttals to his
>>>>>> truthiness. First off, why couldn't he release his accredited
>>>>>> credentials or whatever that might be? Second, does he know Arabic? I
>>>>>> previously demanded him to compose a basic sentence in Arabic, but he
>>>>>> just couldn't. Third, in his recent message to me, he asked me to
>>>>>> bring him someone to debate with, and he proposed to pay us 100000$,
>>>>>> arranged half to half, between me and the one that I will bring. My
>>>>>> question here is, why couldn't you just debate me for free? And, where
>>>>>> did you get all this money from? Is working in the field of
>>>>>> Islamophobia that profitable in the west? I hope he bravely answers
>>>>>> any of these critical questions. Now, to those who purposely harbour
>>>>>> such fugitives  and hatemongers, you must plainly fathom, that the
>>>>>> current situation won't ever be infinite in any manner. I one day
>>>>>> shall catch this Ali Sina and will then coerce him into direct
>>>>>> engagement, whereas people as of Muslims and others alike can
>>>>>> certainly see and judge. I genuinely believe that attainting this
>>>>>> person's competency is much worse than actually putting him to death.
>>>>>> If you're truly a man, you may then accept debating me. As of right
>>>>>> now, he cowardly hides like a nasty mous. He is absolutely terrified
>>>>>> of being caught and exposed. Had he been confident of himself, he
>>>>>> would have then accepted my longly suspended debating proposal. His
>>>>>> financial offer etc is just an enact to deride and avoid any potential
>>>>>> confrontation. I, however, won't ever leave him on his own. Even if he
>>>>>> hides below the seventh ground, I will chase him. I will keep beating
>>>>>> him up until he is wholly destroyed. I knew where do you currently
>>>>>> reside in Europe. We're going to meet soon, so watch out, son of
>>>>>> Sina.,
>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> --
>>>>> alisina.org <http://www.alisina.org>
>>>>> faithfreedom.org <http://www.faithfreedom.org>
>>>>> 
>>>> 
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>> ------------------------------
>> 
>> Message: 3
>> Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2019 18:22:38 -0700
>> From: "BRUCE&JOY BRESLAUER" <breslauerj at gmail.com>
>> To: "'Faith-talk, for the discussion of Blindness in faith and
>>    religion'"    <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Faith-Talk] Bethlehem avenue, Ali Sina, has failed and
>>    he is in hell
>> Message-ID: <00a501d5ab0a$7bbe2820$733a7860$@gmail.com>
>> 
>> Mustafa,
>> 
>> I will say what I have to say, and then I will not engage with you further.
>> 
>> We are not the Western media.  We are a group of blind people here to
>> discuss
>> how blindness affects our lives as religious participants.  Sometimes the
>> discussion does stray into religious beliefs, but we are not here to bash
>> one
>> another or to put one another down.  Many of us on this list are Christians,
>> 
>> but the purpose of this list is not to debate religion.  We are not here to
>> 
>> spread hatred or vitriol.  This is not the list to discuss your opinion of
>> someone else's beliefs.  If you were truly interested in discussing religion
>> 
>> calmly and rationally, that might be one thing.  We believe what we believe
>> and
>> you believe what you believe, and we will never agree.  You believe that
>> what
>> you believe is correct, and so do we.  So do adherents of every religion or
>> 
>> nonreligion.  We can't all be right.  Two opposing views cannot both be
>> true.
>> The Bible says that Jesus said, "before Abraham was, I am," so he predates
>> Mohammed and everyone else.  (John 8:58.)  There is nothing to debate.  I
>> would
>> rather go through my life and die believing what I believe.  If I am wrong,
>> 
>> then I lose everything.  If I am right, then I gain everything.  I will
>> gladly
>> take the risk.  What about you?
>> 
>> I'm sure you know that there are Christians and then there are Christians,
>> just
>> like there are Moslems and Moslems.  Some are strident and hateful, some are
>> 
>> not.  We are all learning and striving to be better, especially if we live a
>> 
>> life of prayer and contemplation, read the Scriptures, and exhibit the
>> fruits
>> of the Spirit to others: love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness,
>> faithfulness, gentleness, and self-control. (Galatians 5: 22-23.)  These are
>> 
>> not things I can conjure up on my own; they are the result of living the
>> life
>> of a connected branch.  (John 15:5.) Without being connected to that
>> life-giving vine, I can do nothing.  I do not have the right to be
>> judgmental,
>> but I do have the right to be a fruit inspector. (Matthew 7:15-20.)  What I
>> see
>> is not a matter of my opinion; it is self-evident.  That is something you
>> and
>> Allah will have to come to terms with at some point.
>> 
>> Many awful things have been done in the name of religion, every religion.
>> That
>> is not an excuse, it is a fact.
>> 
>> Jesus willingly gave up His deity to come to earth as a man, to live among
>> us
>> for a time, to be crucified for our sins, and to rise from the dead
>> victorious
>> over sin and death.  He had to do it because no one else could.  No one else
>> is
>> pure enough, only God.  No one else is sinless--not you, not me, not
>> Mohammed.
>> Mohammed did not rise from the dead to eternal life.  Jesus did.  He said He
>> 
>> would, and  that is why He came.  The tomb was sealed and guarded to prevent
>> 
>> His getting out, and no one could believe it when He actually did.  Women
>> spread the news, which was contrary to the culture of the day.  This is all
>> 
>> fact, not conjecture.  He appeared to many people afterwards, hundreds at a
>> 
>> time, so they couldn't continue with the conspiracy theories that maybe
>> somebody stole the body.  The tomb was empty and the burial clothes were
>> still
>> there, wrapped up like a body was still in them.  People saw Him, complete
>> with
>> the nail prints in His hands and feet and the wound in His side.  They wrote
>> 
>> down what they saw.  God's foolishness is wiser than man's wisdom.  (1
>> Corinthians 1:25.)
>> 
>> So the bottom line is, what will you do with this Jesus?  Either He is who
>> He
>> says He is, or he is a liar, or he is crazy.  If you truly search the
>> Scriptures with an open mind and heart, you will find out which is true.
>> 
>> Joy
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Faith-Talk <faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Mustafa
>> Almahdy
>> via Faith-Talk
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2019 2:21 PM
>> To: faith-talk at nfbnet.org
>> Cc: Mustafa Almahdy <against.trump2001 at gmail.com>; rickevans5 at gmail.com;
>> tingram at hbbc.org; debbiedrylie at gmail.com; moore at donaldmoore.org;
>> erickelly at bellsouth.net; dlgoza at jeffersonbaptist.org
>> Subject: Re: [Faith-Talk] Bethlehem avenue, Ali Sina, has failed and he is
>> in
>> hell
>> 
>> Well obviously, I knew who Lutherans are. The cardinal doctrine of
>> justifying
>> faith alone is not sufficient for me. I don't recall that I have spoken
>> rudely
>> to someone though. I am just asking for some proper equity, as Islam is
>> being
>> brought to discussion or even critique in western media. When doing so, it's
>> 
>> constantly subjected to unfavourable judgement. It isn't fair at all, to
>> intently insist to misportray Islam and its tenets through introducing it to
>> 
>> the masses by intense haters, unjust viewers. Ali Sina deceives westerns
>> when
>> he tells them, that Islam couldn't cope with modern western fundamentals.
>> Well, this isn't quite precise, critical or even transpicuous. Ali Sina is
>> notoriously dishonest about everything related to Islam.
>> Through eight consecutive centuries, Andalusian          Muslim
>> civilisation has contributed distinctly outstanding breakthroughs to
>> untutored
>> Medieval denizens. So, Islam encourages its embracers to ponder, contribute
>> and
>> explore. Nonetheless, for the past 200 years, Muslims haven't invented
>> anything
>> useful to either themselves or others. Thence, they reached the back of the
>> 
>> caravan and became such backward, influenced, defeated and manipulated
>> nation.
>> The Koran told Muslims, that they're the best of people, as long as they
>> enjoin
>> good, forbid evil and believe in God. So, if they failed to fulfill any of
>> these terms, they're then no longer the best of people. One of the main
>> reasons
>> for which I love Islam so much, is the fact that it is the only faith on
>> earth
>> which criticises its own followers if they failed to maintain the competent
>> 
>> status of proper religious tenets.
>> Adhereing  certain concepts doesn't guarantee its believing individuals a
>> blank
>> check to heaven. There is no such thing in Islam.
>> Islam advocates for a global vision of substantial reform in all life
>> aspects.
>> Therefore, despite anyone's ethnic affiliation, as long as he is firmly
>> loyal
>> to Islam, he could be the best of and even, at the top of its scholarship.
>> So
>> for instance, despite his enormously extraneous origin, for his uniquely
>> masterpiece in Hadith discipline, imam Bukhari  became the invincible
>> scholar
>> on that regard. Well, he wasn't initially Arab. Nonetheless, he mastered
>> Arabic
>> and produced a wonderful textbook in its eloquent rhetoric. This
>> extraordinary
>> chef-d'oeuvre is broadly considered to be the top of major sunnah references
>> 
>> and the most authentic source of Islam after the Koran, known as, (Sahih
>> al-Bukhari). I hope we have a chance to introduce Islam to others as we see
>> it
>> and practice its tenets. I disregard a nasty version of Islam introduced by
>> 
>> people like Ali Sina, who is merely a hatemonger, uses defamation of Islam
>> to
>> bootlick westerns and gain dominance among them. Outspokenly, that's a major
>> 
>> threat, when working for hate, deceit, denouncement and deliberate
>> denigration
>> instantly becomes an emphatically recognised path to fame in the west.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 12/3/19, Ericka via Faith-Talk <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> Not all Christians are evangelists. I am Lutheran. We are asked not so
>>> much to shove Bible passages down peoples throats as to live our life
>>> according toChrists' example and teaching. The Bible to me is not
>>> something to be read literally and taken literally; it is a guidebook.
>>> Through the examples of those who have acted respectfully and not so
>>> respectfully we come to see ourselves in the Scriptures and learn how
>>> to handle situations in a way that respects all of his creation
>>> including the human beings on this earth. We are not called to be
>>> drunken, gluttonous, greedy, arrogant, and so on. If you look in
>>> Galatians for the fruits of the spirit, these are what we are called to
>>> beat
>>> others and good suggestions to take care of yourself as well.
>>> It looks like cell control something you need to work on as I don't
>>> appreciate the rudeness you treated Adriana.
>>> 
>>> God sent Jesus to us to free us from rules in the Old Testament since
>>> apparently people weren't understanding what God wanted us to act and
>>> why.
>>> 
>>> Whether you're Jewish, Islamic or Christian etc. there are people who
>>> are go to humans and then there are bad ones. Islamic dictator is
>>> killing their own faithful is not any better than The Crusades. It's a
>>> humanity problem that we all struggle with so you can't blame our
>>> maker whether it be God as the Christian and see it, Allah, or the supreme
>>> 
>>> being and so on. We screwup.
>>> Instead of dissecting everything, why don't we start looking at the
>>> common believes and bond together for a better world we have here too
>>> and have it rather than hurting others, just respecting others and
>>> either way not making our faiths look respectable.
>>> 
>>> Ericka Nelson
>>> 
>>>> On Dec 3, 2019, at 11:00 AM, Mustafa Almahdy via Faith-Talk
>>>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> ?Well, you're in hell as of being such a miserable failure, not able
>>>> to respond to my longly held debating challenge. As for good looking
>>>> women, that's the maximum rate of someone at your disposal. I don't
>>>> know about these things. But I know, that staring at women illicitly
>>>> is strictly prohibited in Islam. Now, as these evangelists who
>>>> cluselessly fend for your plainly hateful attitude may have noticed,
>>>> you're not proselytising  to their faith in any manner. You're just
>>>> spreading hate and deceit about Islam. Nonetheless, that seems to be
>>>> quite sufficient for them to unconsciously endorse you. I think we're
>>>> fully aware as of right now, who is truly detestable, despicable and
>>>> immensely hypocritical. I still want to know, where did you earn the
>>>> 100000$ which you sardonically offered from? Is working for
>>>> Islamophobia and hatefully relevant industries eminently so
>>>> profitable in western culture? As you're currently residing in the
>>>> region of southeastern Europe, I wonder, what are you doing there? As
>>>> Iranian based who has been extremely notorious of intently spreading
>>>> hate, I couldn't unveil the nature of your work. Where does it fill?
>>>> Ali Sina aims to provoke attenuated Muslims until they ultimately
>>>> apostate. Be that as it may, he doesn't care about what do they embrace
>>>> afterward.
>>>> Is he promoting western secularism? I wonder if he perhaps could
>>>> illustrate onto that. He says before that he is not an evangelist.
>>>> Fine, what is he then? As to the faith talk folks, well, someone
>>>> there has just told me, that I was demanded not to post to the list
>>>> anymore.
>>>> Well, excuse me but, this request clearly contradicts with an
>>>> explicit statement that belongs to the list's essential guidelines.
>>>> On your main info page, it says, "Persons of all faiths are welcome.
>>>> Feel free to post, and have fun!". That what does it state there, very
>>>> clearly.
>>>> You can go to the list's info page and verify this claim. So, you may
>>>> either remove the above statement and replace it with a statement
>>>> that informs all viewers, that this list is exclusively restricted to
>>>> Christian conversation and relevantly affiliated blindness interests.
>>>> Or, you may say, that each and everyone that is not believing
>>>> Christian is welcome to post except Muslims. We don't want them here
>>>> anymore. I bet you couldn't post such thing on your main page because
>>>> you will plainly violate allegedly embraced tenets of
>>>> multiculturalism and coexistence. No no, sure you could. Hasn't
>>>> Trump, master of peace and tolerance insistently declared such kind
>>>> remarks about Muslims in the States and other minorities? What
>>>> happened when I posted to the faith talk list stuff that may not
>>>> necessarily concur with their beliefs or convictions as of religious and
>>>> 
>>>> political orientation?
>>>> Well, they immediately banned me from posting to the list. In other
>>>> words, forcefully unsubscribed me. Well, if I will anyway be
>>>> ostracised because of my religious and political opinion, what is
>>>> then the proper use of the following statement? As quoted above, it
>>>> says on your main info page, "persons of all faiths are welcome." So,
>>>> it's either I am welcome or not welcome. I wonder if it could be
>>>> both? It could be, as long as I speak against my own religion to
>>>> please Americans, lords of the world. I unfortunately couldn't cope
>>>> with such demand. So, I hope the temperament of the list's owners is
>>>> clarified a bit. As for Ali Sina, good luck at your glorious journey
>>>> of courting gorgeous women.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On 12/2/19, FFI <faithfreedom2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> I am in Ukraine, If this is hell it is too cold this time of the year.
>>>>> But
>>>>> the women here are actually very very beautiful.  Nice hell.
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Fri, Nov 29, 2019 at 9:45 PM Mustafa Almahdy
>>>>> <against.trump2001 at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> For nearly three successive months, I have been persistently
>>>>>> challenging Ali Sina to enter in a debate with me about the filth
>>>>>> that he presumptuously writes about Islam. He obstinately calls the
>>>>>> lasciviously based soliloquy of his own sickened prejudice
>>>>>> worthwhile critique. He thence is afraid of venturing into this
>>>>>> altercating field, so he may not lose his averred credibility among
>>>>>> disinformed audience. He runs a vicious website entitled Ali Sina
>>>>>> dot org. At its inception he writes, everything you need to know
>>>>>> about Islam. He should have actually written, everything I intently
>>>>>> lie to you about Islam. He unfortunately takes advantage of
>>>>>> people's ignorance. He deliberately misleads his indoctrinated
>>>>>> viewers. On his detestable website, he often writes about
>>>>>> arbitrarily anonymous mortals who are allegedly Muslims. Therein,
>>>>>> they have supposedly sought his eminent advice which has led to
>>>>>> their ultimate apostasy. He evades conversing with me because I
>>>>>> massively
>>>>>> resemble a major threat to his reputation.
>>>>>> I discredited his character and have posed decisive rebuttals to
>>>>>> his truthiness. First off, why couldn't he release his accredited
>>>>>> credentials or whatever that might be? Second, does he know Arabic?
>>>>>> I previously demanded him to compose a basic sentence in Arabic,
>>>>>> but he just couldn't. Third, in his recent message to me, he asked
>>>>>> me to bring him someone to debate with, and he proposed to pay us
>>>>>> 100000$, arranged half to half, between me and the one that I will
>>>>>> bring. My question here is, why couldn't you just debate me for
>>>>>> free? And, where did you get all this money from? Is working in the
>>>>>> field of Islamophobia that profitable in the west? I hope he
>>>>>> bravely answers any of these critical questions. Now, to those who
>>>>>> purposely harbour such fugitives  and hatemongers, you must plainly
>>>>>> fathom, that the current situation won't ever be infinite in any
>>>>>> manner. I one day shall catch this Ali Sina and will then coerce
>>>>>> him into direct engagement, whereas people as of Muslims and others
>>>>>> alike can certainly see and judge. I genuinely believe that
>>>>>> attainting this person's competency is much worse than actually putting
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> him to death.
>>>>>> If you're truly a man, you may then accept debating me. As of right
>>>>>> now, he cowardly hides like a nasty mous. He is absolutely
>>>>>> terrified of being caught and exposed. Had he been confident of
>>>>>> himself, he would have then accepted my longly suspended debating
>>>>>> proposal. His financial offer etc is just an enact to deride and
>>>>>> avoid any potential confrontation. I, however, won't ever leave him
>>>>>> on his own. Even if he hides below the seventh ground, I will chase
>>>>>> him. I will keep beating him up until he is wholly destroyed. I
>>>>>> knew where do you currently reside in Europe. We're going to meet
>>>>>> soon, so watch out, son of Sina.,
>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
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>> Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2019 23:30:18 -0500
>> From: andrew edgcumbe <rollercoasterman86 at gmail.com>
>> To: "Faith-talk, for the discussion of Blindness in faith and
>>    religion"    <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Faith-Talk] Bethlehem avenue, Ali Sina, has failed and
>>    he is in hell
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>> 
>> well i agree with Joy. this is not the list to discuss believs i
>> thought this list was here to discuss blindness and issues blind
>> people have within church not beliefs as such.  by looks of it you
>> sent this essage to some of your contacts and included it in  the
>> group within that contact list.  Either Jesus says  is who he says or
>> he is a lyer and we have wasted our time in our churches worshiping a
>> false  God. The thing is this we are not to hate one another nor put
>> people down.
>> 
>>> On 12/4/19, BRUCE&JOY BRESLAUER via Faith-Talk <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> wrote:
>>> Mustafa,
>>> 
>>> I will say what I have to say, and then I will not engage with you
>>> further.
>>> 
>>> We are not the Western media.  We are a group of blind people here to
>>> discuss
>>> how blindness affects our lives as religious participants.  Sometimes the
>>> discussion does stray into religious beliefs, but we are not here to bash
>>> one
>>> another or to put one another down.  Many of us on this list are
>>> Christians,
>>> 
>>> but the purpose of this list is not to debate religion.  We are not here
>>> to
>>> 
>>> spread hatred or vitriol.  This is not the list to discuss your opinion
>>> of
>>> someone else's beliefs.  If you were truly interested in discussing
>>> religion
>>> 
>>> calmly and rationally, that might be one thing.  We believe what we
>>> believe
>>> and
>>> you believe what you believe, and we will never agree.  You believe that
>>> what
>>> you believe is correct, and so do we.  So do adherents of every religion
>>> or
>>> 
>>> nonreligion.  We can't all be right.  Two opposing views cannot both be
>>> true.
>>> The Bible says that Jesus said, "before Abraham was, I am," so he
>>> predates
>>> Mohammed and everyone else.  (John 8:58.)  There is nothing to debate.  I
>>> would
>>> rather go through my life and die believing what I believe.  If I am
>>> wrong,
>>> 
>>> then I lose everything.  If I am right, then I gain everything.  I will
>>> gladly
>>> take the risk.  What about you?
>>> 
>>> I'm sure you know that there are Christians and then there are
>>> Christians,
>>> just
>>> like there are Moslems and Moslems.  Some are strident and hateful, some
>>> are
>>> 
>>> not.  We are all learning and striving to be better, especially if we live
>>> a
>>> 
>>> life of prayer and contemplation, read the Scriptures, and exhibit the
>>> fruits
>>> of the Spirit to others: love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness,
>>> faithfulness, gentleness, and self-control. (Galatians 5: 22-23.)  These
>>> are
>>> 
>>> not things I can conjure up on my own; they are the result of living the
>>> life
>>> of a connected branch.  (John 15:5.) Without being connected to that
>>> life-giving vine, I can do nothing.  I do not have the right to be
>>> judgmental,
>>> but I do have the right to be a fruit inspector. (Matthew 7:15-20.)  What
>>> I
>>> see
>>> is not a matter of my opinion; it is self-evident.  That is something you
>>> and
>>> Allah will have to come to terms with at some point.
>>> 
>>> Many awful things have been done in the name of religion, every religion.
>>> That
>>> is not an excuse, it is a fact.
>>> 
>>> Jesus willingly gave up His deity to come to earth as a man, to live
>>> among
>>> us
>>> for a time, to be crucified for our sins, and to rise from the dead
>>> victorious
>>> over sin and death.  He had to do it because no one else could.  No one
>>> else
>>> is
>>> pure enough, only God.  No one else is sinless--not you, not me, not
>>> Mohammed.
>>> Mohammed did not rise from the dead to eternal life.  Jesus did.  He said
>>> He
>>> 
>>> would, and  that is why He came.  The tomb was sealed and guarded to
>>> prevent
>>> 
>>> His getting out, and no one could believe it when He actually did.  Women
>>> spread the news, which was contrary to the culture of the day.  This is
>>> all
>>> 
>>> fact, not conjecture.  He appeared to many people afterwards, hundreds at
>>> a
>>> 
>>> time, so they couldn't continue with the conspiracy theories that maybe
>>> somebody stole the body.  The tomb was empty and the burial clothes were
>>> still
>>> there, wrapped up like a body was still in them.  People saw Him,
>>> complete
>>> with
>>> the nail prints in His hands and feet and the wound in His side.  They
>>> wrote
>>> 
>>> down what they saw.  God's foolishness is wiser than man's wisdom.  (1
>>> Corinthians 1:25.)
>>> 
>>> So the bottom line is, what will you do with this Jesus?  Either He is
>>> who
>>> He
>>> says He is, or he is a liar, or he is crazy.  If you truly search the
>>> Scriptures with an open mind and heart, you will find out which is true.
>>> 
>>> Joy
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Faith-Talk <faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Mustafa
>>> Almahdy
>>> via Faith-Talk
>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2019 2:21 PM
>>> To: faith-talk at nfbnet.org
>>> Cc: Mustafa Almahdy <against.trump2001 at gmail.com>; rickevans5 at gmail.com;
>>> tingram at hbbc.org; debbiedrylie at gmail.com; moore at donaldmoore.org;
>>> erickelly at bellsouth.net; dlgoza at jeffersonbaptist.org
>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-Talk] Bethlehem avenue, Ali Sina, has failed and he
>>> is
>>> in
>>> hell
>>> 
>>> Well obviously, I knew who Lutherans are. The cardinal doctrine of
>>> justifying
>>> faith alone is not sufficient for me. I don't recall that I have spoken
>>> rudely
>>> to someone though. I am just asking for some proper equity, as Islam is
>>> being
>>> brought to discussion or even critique in western media. When doing so,
>>> it's
>>> 
>>> constantly subjected to unfavourable judgement. It isn't fair at all, to
>>> intently insist to misportray Islam and its tenets through introducing it
>>> to
>>> 
>>> the masses by intense haters, unjust viewers. Ali Sina deceives westerns
>>> when
>>> he tells them, that Islam couldn't cope with modern western fundamentals.
>>> Well, this isn't quite precise, critical or even transpicuous. Ali Sina
>>> is
>>> notoriously dishonest about everything related to Islam.
>>> Through eight consecutive centuries, Andalusian          Muslim
>>> civilisation has contributed distinctly outstanding breakthroughs to
>>> untutored
>>> Medieval denizens. So, Islam encourages its embracers to ponder,
>>> contribute
>>> and
>>> explore. Nonetheless, for the past 200 years, Muslims haven't invented
>>> anything
>>> useful to either themselves or others. Thence, they reached the back of
>>> the
>>> 
>>> caravan and became such backward, influenced, defeated and manipulated
>>> nation.
>>> The Koran told Muslims, that they're the best of people, as long as they
>>> enjoin
>>> good, forbid evil and believe in God. So, if they failed to fulfill any
>>> of
>>> these terms, they're then no longer the best of people. One of the main
>>> reasons
>>> for which I love Islam so much, is the fact that it is the only faith on
>>> earth
>>> which criticises its own followers if they failed to maintain the
>>> competent
>>> 
>>> status of proper religious tenets.
>>> Adhereing  certain concepts doesn't guarantee its believing individuals a
>>> blank
>>> check to heaven. There is no such thing in Islam.
>>> Islam advocates for a global vision of substantial reform in all life
>>> aspects.
>>> Therefore, despite anyone's ethnic affiliation, as long as he is firmly
>>> loyal
>>> to Islam, he could be the best of and even, at the top of its
>>> scholarship.
>>> So
>>> for instance, despite his enormously extraneous origin, for his uniquely
>>> masterpiece in Hadith discipline, imam Bukhari  became the invincible
>>> scholar
>>> on that regard. Well, he wasn't initially Arab. Nonetheless, he mastered
>>> Arabic
>>> and produced a wonderful textbook in its eloquent rhetoric. This
>>> extraordinary
>>> chef-d'oeuvre is broadly considered to be the top of major sunnah
>>> references
>>> 
>>> and the most authentic source of Islam after the Koran, known as, (Sahih
>>> al-Bukhari). I hope we have a chance to introduce Islam to others as we
>>> see
>>> it
>>> and practice its tenets. I disregard a nasty version of Islam introduced
>>> by
>>> 
>>> people like Ali Sina, who is merely a hatemonger, uses defamation of
>>> Islam
>>> to
>>> bootlick westerns and gain dominance among them. Outspokenly, that's a
>>> major
>>> 
>>> threat, when working for hate, deceit, denouncement and deliberate
>>> denigration
>>> instantly becomes an emphatically recognised path to fame in the west.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 12/3/19, Ericka via Faith-Talk <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> Not all Christians are evangelists. I am Lutheran. We are asked not so
>>>> much to shove Bible passages down peoples throats as to live our life
>>>> according toChrists' example and teaching. The Bible to me is not
>>>> something to be read literally and taken literally; it is a guidebook.
>>>> Through the examples of those who have acted respectfully and not so
>>>> respectfully we come to see ourselves in the Scriptures and learn how
>>>> to handle situations in a way that respects all of his creation
>>>> including the human beings on this earth. We are not called to be
>>>> drunken, gluttonous, greedy, arrogant, and so on. If you look in
>>>> Galatians for the fruits of the spirit, these are what we are called to
>>>> beat
>>>> others and good suggestions to take care of yourself as well.
>>>> It looks like cell control something you need to work on as I don't
>>>> appreciate the rudeness you treated Adriana.
>>>> 
>>>> God sent Jesus to us to free us from rules in the Old Testament since
>>>> apparently people weren't understanding what God wanted us to act and
>>>> why.
>>>> 
>>>> Whether you're Jewish, Islamic or Christian etc. there are people who
>>>> are go to humans and then there are bad ones. Islamic dictator is
>>>> killing their own faithful is not any better than The Crusades. It's a
>>>> humanity problem that we all struggle with so you can't blame our
>>>> maker whether it be God as the Christian and see it, Allah, or the
>>>> supreme
>>>> 
>>>> being and so on. We screwup.
>>>> Instead of dissecting everything, why don't we start looking at the
>>>> common believes and bond together for a better world we have here too
>>>> and have it rather than hurting others, just respecting others and
>>>> either way not making our faiths look respectable.
>>>> 
>>>> Ericka Nelson
>>>> 
>>>>> On Dec 3, 2019, at 11:00 AM, Mustafa Almahdy via Faith-Talk
>>>>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> ?Well, you're in hell as of being such a miserable failure, not able
>>>>> to respond to my longly held debating challenge. As for good looking
>>>>> women, that's the maximum rate of someone at your disposal. I don't
>>>>> know about these things. But I know, that staring at women illicitly
>>>>> is strictly prohibited in Islam. Now, as these evangelists who
>>>>> cluselessly fend for your plainly hateful attitude may have noticed,
>>>>> you're not proselytising  to their faith in any manner. You're just
>>>>> spreading hate and deceit about Islam. Nonetheless, that seems to be
>>>>> quite sufficient for them to unconsciously endorse you. I think we're
>>>>> fully aware as of right now, who is truly detestable, despicable and
>>>>> immensely hypocritical. I still want to know, where did you earn the
>>>>> 100000$ which you sardonically offered from? Is working for
>>>>> Islamophobia and hatefully relevant industries eminently so
>>>>> profitable in western culture? As you're currently residing in the
>>>>> region of southeastern Europe, I wonder, what are you doing there? As
>>>>> Iranian based who has been extremely notorious of intently spreading
>>>>> hate, I couldn't unveil the nature of your work. Where does it fill?
>>>>> Ali Sina aims to provoke attenuated Muslims until they ultimately
>>>>> apostate. Be that as it may, he doesn't care about what do they embrace
>>>>> afterward.
>>>>> Is he promoting western secularism? I wonder if he perhaps could
>>>>> illustrate onto that. He says before that he is not an evangelist.
>>>>> Fine, what is he then? As to the faith talk folks, well, someone
>>>>> there has just told me, that I was demanded not to post to the list
>>>>> anymore.
>>>>> Well, excuse me but, this request clearly contradicts with an
>>>>> explicit statement that belongs to the list's essential guidelines.
>>>>> On your main info page, it says, "Persons of all faiths are welcome.
>>>>> Feel free to post, and have fun!". That what does it state there, very
>>>>> clearly.
>>>>> You can go to the list's info page and verify this claim. So, you may
>>>>> either remove the above statement and replace it with a statement
>>>>> that informs all viewers, that this list is exclusively restricted to
>>>>> Christian conversation and relevantly affiliated blindness interests.
>>>>> Or, you may say, that each and everyone that is not believing
>>>>> Christian is welcome to post except Muslims. We don't want them here
>>>>> anymore. I bet you couldn't post such thing on your main page because
>>>>> you will plainly violate allegedly embraced tenets of
>>>>> multiculturalism and coexistence. No no, sure you could. Hasn't
>>>>> Trump, master of peace and tolerance insistently declared such kind
>>>>> remarks about Muslims in the States and other minorities? What
>>>>> happened when I posted to the faith talk list stuff that may not
>>>>> necessarily concur with their beliefs or convictions as of religious
>>>>> and
>>>>> 
>>>>> political orientation?
>>>>> Well, they immediately banned me from posting to the list. In other
>>>>> words, forcefully unsubscribed me. Well, if I will anyway be
>>>>> ostracised because of my religious and political opinion, what is
>>>>> then the proper use of the following statement? As quoted above, it
>>>>> says on your main info page, "persons of all faiths are welcome." So,
>>>>> it's either I am welcome or not welcome. I wonder if it could be
>>>>> both? It could be, as long as I speak against my own religion to
>>>>> please Americans, lords of the world. I unfortunately couldn't cope
>>>>> with such demand. So, I hope the temperament of the list's owners is
>>>>> clarified a bit. As for Ali Sina, good luck at your glorious journey
>>>>> of courting gorgeous women.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 12/2/19, FFI <faithfreedom2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> I am in Ukraine, If this is hell it is too cold this time of the year.
>>>>>> But
>>>>>> the women here are actually very very beautiful.  Nice hell.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Fri, Nov 29, 2019 at 9:45 PM Mustafa Almahdy
>>>>>> <against.trump2001 at gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> For nearly three successive months, I have been persistently
>>>>>>> challenging Ali Sina to enter in a debate with me about the filth
>>>>>>> that he presumptuously writes about Islam. He obstinately calls the
>>>>>>> lasciviously based soliloquy of his own sickened prejudice
>>>>>>> worthwhile critique. He thence is afraid of venturing into this
>>>>>>> altercating field, so he may not lose his averred credibility among
>>>>>>> disinformed audience. He runs a vicious website entitled Ali Sina
>>>>>>> dot org. At its inception he writes, everything you need to know
>>>>>>> about Islam. He should have actually written, everything I intently
>>>>>>> lie to you about Islam. He unfortunately takes advantage of
>>>>>>> people's ignorance. He deliberately misleads his indoctrinated
>>>>>>> viewers. On his detestable website, he often writes about
>>>>>>> arbitrarily anonymous mortals who are allegedly Muslims. Therein,
>>>>>>> they have supposedly sought his eminent advice which has led to
>>>>>>> their ultimate apostasy. He evades conversing with me because I
>>>>>>> massively
>>>>>>> resemble a major threat to his reputation.
>>>>>>> I discredited his character and have posed decisive rebuttals to
>>>>>>> his truthiness. First off, why couldn't he release his accredited
>>>>>>> credentials or whatever that might be? Second, does he know Arabic?
>>>>>>> I previously demanded him to compose a basic sentence in Arabic,
>>>>>>> but he just couldn't. Third, in his recent message to me, he asked
>>>>>>> me to bring him someone to debate with, and he proposed to pay us
>>>>>>> 100000$, arranged half to half, between me and the one that I will
>>>>>>> bring. My question here is, why couldn't you just debate me for
>>>>>>> free? And, where did you get all this money from? Is working in the
>>>>>>> field of Islamophobia that profitable in the west? I hope he
>>>>>>> bravely answers any of these critical questions. Now, to those who
>>>>>>> purposely harbour such fugitives  and hatemongers, you must plainly
>>>>>>> fathom, that the current situation won't ever be infinite in any
>>>>>>> manner. I one day shall catch this Ali Sina and will then coerce
>>>>>>> him into direct engagement, whereas people as of Muslims and others
>>>>>>> alike can certainly see and judge. I genuinely believe that
>>>>>>> attainting this person's competency is much worse than actually
>>>>>>> putting
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> him to death.
>>>>>>> If you're truly a man, you may then accept debating me. As of right
>>>>>>> now, he cowardly hides like a nasty mous. He is absolutely
>>>>>>> terrified of being caught and exposed. Had he been confident of
>>>>>>> himself, he would have then accepted my longly suspended debating
>>>>>>> proposal. His financial offer etc is just an enact to deride and
>>>>>>> avoid any potential confrontation. I, however, won't ever leave him
>>>>>>> on his own. Even if he hides below the seventh ground, I will chase
>>>>>>> him. I will keep beating him up until he is wholly destroyed. I
>>>>>>> knew where do you currently reside in Europe. We're going to meet
>>>>>>> soon, so watch out, son of Sina.,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
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