[Faith-Talk] Introduction From Rilind

[angelgal at nb.sympatico.ca]

Hi Rilinda



What part of New Brunswick where you at?  I am in Saint John New Brunswick.



Brenda 

 

 

 

 

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From: Rilind Dragoshi via Faith-Talk

Date: 2019-12-06 12:47:25 AM

To: faith-talk at nfbnet.org

Cc: Rilind Dragoshi

Subject: Re: [Faith-Talk] Introduction From Rilind

 

Thanks for the welcome Rob, Brenda, and Joy.

`Brenda, excelent, I am here also in New Brunswick.

Very true, Joy, that is indeed the reality, we must take responsibility for
any decisions we make as decisions have consequences. I think we are at a
time in our history where people confuse freedom of religion with the right
to be right. It is true that as human beings we, rightly so, in many
countries, and more importantly by our nature, have freedom of religion as a
proper legal right. However, this freedom to believe, can never be confused
with the truth itself. Too many consider truth as a menu, so that whatever
you want you can put there and it can be true just for you. However, if I
want to believe it will snow in August, or that the sky is made out of
cotton candy, or that tomorrow morning I will grow wings and fly, then, any
of those things, if I believe them, it won't effect the reality.

A search for truth must be a search for what we feel is true and never on
what we want to be true.

Thanks:

Rilind.

 

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   1. Re: Introduction From Rilind+Re: Bethlehem avenue, Ali Sina,

      has failed and he is in hell (Rob Kaiser)

   2. Re: Introduction From Rilind+Re: Bethlehem avenue, Ali Sina,

      has failed and he is in hell (angelgal at nb.sympatico.ca)

   3. Re: Introduction From Rilind+Re: Bethlehem avenue, Ali Sina,

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Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2019 09:14:46 -0800

From: "Rob Kaiser" <rcubfank at sbcglobal.net>

To: <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>, "'Faith-talk, for the discussion of

  Blindness in faith and religion'" <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>

Subject: Re: [Faith-Talk] Introduction From Rilind+Re: Bethlehem

  avenue, Ali Sina, has failed and he is in hell

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I also want to welcome you to this list Relind. Good luck to you.

 

 

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Subject: Re: [Faith-Talk] Introduction From Rilind+Re: Bethlehem avenue, Ali
Sina, has failed and he is in hell

 

 

 

  Rilind!

 

Welcome to the list and thanks for coming out of lurk mode.

Religion can be complex and debatable. Its tough when you are a different
faith than your family. So, you were Muslim and converted to Christianity.
So sorry to hear you cannot find a church and transportation. I hope you
found an accessible bible and ways to worship. As for me, I grew up as a
believer. I am still Christian although even in my own family I notice we
sometimes interpret the  Bible differently. I also feel that I take in the
Bible and practice it more than my grown brothers. I?m glad for you  that
you found the right faith and will hold onto it.

 

I am a young adult who is low vision and I hope to go into public relations
or someplace to use my writing skills or work with kids. What was your
degree in? I am a Marymount University graduate with a liberal studies
degree with emphasis in social sciences and communication. Like you I enjoy
music and walks. I like several kinds of music including Oldies, classical,
and Christian contemporary music.

 

I think we can have several relevant discussions on list. Like you, I?ve
been subscribed a long time. It is only when Mustafa writes that things get
stirred up.

 

Happy Holidays everyone!

Ashley

 

 

 

 

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>From: Rilind Dragoshi via Faith-Talk <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>

>Sent: Dec 5, 2019 11:24 AM

>To: "faith-talk at nfbnet.org" <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>

>Cc: Rilind Dragoshi <dragoshi11 at hotmail.com>

>Subject: [Faith-Talk] Introduction From Rilind+Re: Bethlehem avenue, Ali
Sina, has failed and he is in hell

>

>Hello everyone.

>My name is Rilind.

>I didn't know if I should introduce myself here or even comment on this
issue as there are many chalenges associated with publicly coming out in
this topic here, but,life belongs to God, and scripture tells us that this
is life that we may know the one true God and Jesus Christ who he as sent.
For personal reasons, at one point today I had considered messaging a list
moderator and to ask to have it posted but then I knew that our friend
mMustafa, that you might say oh look how they make up stories, and might say
someone made this story up. So I said I'm going to discuss my story to
explain not how good I am, (actually the opposite). But how good God is.
Also, from a list standpoint, I didn't even know that this topic has
relevance to blindness and faith at all. However, I also want to say that I
have been subscribed for a long time, and, I was never sure if I would ever
want to share my testimony here, but then decided that I will. I am 100%
blind, and some of the chalenges are related to blindness. With that in mind
I thought it is okay to share here.

>I don't want to go in to long detail about myself because of this topic but
 I will say for sure that I live in Canada, born in Kosovo, speak Albanian
English and some French, and, although noone is perfect, I have, from 2013
accepted Jesus Christ as my Lord and savior. Baptism someday too hopefully.

>About myself I'll say: I finished my Psychology degree, I do call centre
work as well as English practicing work. I like walks, music, and family, as
well as travel.

>My personal struggles in life now include anger that I am single, not being
able to go to Church due to my situation; arguing too much with people who
don't respect my beliefs such as my parents.

>Yes my friend, according to Islam, I may be going to Hell and if it's true
then I would have to. Something else is if I don't repent and I continue in
being upset and angry and things Paul says, I could go to Hell too. We have
verses in the Bible about people who continue in certain sins not entering
the kingdom of God. But, I believe that God himself came in the person of
Jesus Christ, that he lived a perfect life, that the Isaiah 51 chapter is
about him, and that just as Stephen saw, he is now at the right hand of God,
and just as Revelation says, that the same will be in his family who conquer
and overcome. I am not a universalist, but even in the harshest times of
judgement, the Bible says everyone who calls on the name of the lord shall
be saved, and also Paul talks about that every knee will bough and every
tongue confess. I believing in the living faith, I used to think too, that
Christianity meant just you're saved no matter what you do, but I know now
that salvation is through faith, but faith without works is dead, so we aren
t saved if we do certain works, but that faith in itself means that specific
things will be the fruit of that faith.

>Since this is about beliefs, I'm going to share my testimony to show people
here that it's not all about hate that people chose Jesus, but about love of
the truth.

>It's a long story so please bare with me.

>

>My tesstimony, now that is an interesting story in itself that I will try
to explain.

>It is a long story.

>So I had my regular universalist beliefs and Islam.

>I grew up initially secular Muslim, then at age 10 I would ask my
grandfather about God, and then at age 13 I read the Bible, then soon after,
the Quran. From an Islam-based perspective, I would read Harun Yahya a lot,
and read the Quran at age 13. I have a great family but as I am blind, I
wasn't able to visit any places of worship as often as my family didn't want
me to be involved in worship they would say it's better to stay at home.

>When I started at Crandall University I would help with the prison ministry
program there and go to the senior's home as well, to Briarlea. We would go
on Fridays to sing hymns, play bingo, and I found out, once a month that we
d be doing communion. I didn't mind at all doing the visits it wasn't
required or anything I just knew from previous experience and Ronald
Weinland and other folks, I knew that ministry meant service, so I wanted to
help out even though i wasn't Christian. I loved it. Now when we were
getting closer to the end of the month and when it was time for Communion
week coming by, I realised that I probably didn't think I should go. I
thought okay, if I don't go it will be random I don't want to just all of a
sudden say I'm busy just on that one week when there's communion but, if I
go I thought then I would feel out of place in the sense that I'd feel
disrespectful if I'm there and not taking communion. So what I did, I sent a
message to my professor that did the ministry program and told him about my
situation. I explained to him I definitely always enjoy coming and all the
activities but that I wasn't sure if I should come since I'm not able to
take communion given A that I didn't feel it was right since not baptized
and B where I was also more Muslim and also Universalist. I told him I
wanted to come but thought I shouldn't since I didn't want to be
disrespectful. He said I could come and that it's completely okay since
people don't expect people to take communion if they don't.

>So next week I just went and that was fine. Before I went (I usually was
there early since I'd wait after my stats class that ended around 11:30
until we left around 1 or whatever time it was, can't remember the time. But
 the professor was there earlier and he said oh we have 15 minutes or so. He
then played a video for me one was from Francis Chan and the other one was
from John Piper, now one of them there it talked about God and about the
sacrifice of Christ etc., and at one point it said "he had to die because a
crime was committed". For the first time, I learned why the sacrifice was
believed. As a non-Christian at the time and before, my trouble was never
with whether God would send his son or sacrifice etc., it was more, that he
wouldn't need to. However, I realised after that that there is a God who
both is just and merciful, wanting to forgive, but also that couldn't
without the penalty being payed, wouldn't, without the penalty being payed.

>At this point I didn't know what to do with this information.

>Something key is when Muslim (even if secular even if more bookworm than
practicing), you don't ever think okay I want to switch. At that time though
I thought hey if I accept Christ, I will be forgiven of all sins and I will
be living the life with God but being able to repent instead of having the
punishments in this world and the hereafter in the way that the Quran
explained. So, I had a formula for repentence and forgiveness. Now there was
very clearly the problem that I also couldn't just leave because I knew in
the Quran that A In the Quran those who believe in God and do good deeds
went to heaven, and B that there are clear verses there that if someone
accepts something other than Muslim, it says God will never accept it and
that in the next life you're going to be a loser. I didn't know if it meant
Hell, but, I didn't want to become a loser either. Thus, there was a dilemma
I had. At the time, I felt that the only solution to both be forgiven as
well as to also make sure I don't become a loser or go to Hell was to be
both a Christian and a Muslim. I didn't even know how to do this so I went
on Google of all places to type in how to be both a Christian and a Muslim.
I found many pages, and of course, most pages were about how you can't. I
didn't want that though sso I kept looking. Later I found a website called
messianicmuslims.com that's not even there anymore for some reason, but, in
it talks about essentially a number of things about how I could do that.

>It talked about the fact that the Quran didn't say the scriptures were
corrupt but just how they were explained. It talked about how the Quran when
it said that Jesus wasn't his son it was saying more because not literally.
It went on to say when it says the Jews didn't kill him it was because the
Romans actually made the order, etc. So in this article I realised that I
could accept him as my king, and from that point I was more Christian Muslim


>I didn't have a church, e etc, just read both. Now later on I found a house
church and I felt I could be accepted since it was the gospel but accepting
everyone. My professor I had asked him about it when I saw it and he said he
was going to speak there that week, so, I went with him that week. It was a
great community that did downtown ministry and other activities together,
prayer and fellowship hangout etc., and I enjoyed the visit.

>I couldn't go very often though and still don't go to any of the church
meetings  often because my family doesn't like that I want to b Christian,
many get upset, some say I'd be kicked out of the house if I wasn't blind,
etc., but I then get upset too like I don't go often mostly because I need
to have the right attitude if I'm both going and angry then that isn't being
a good example, but I've continued I'll have coffee sometimes, go for supper
when I can, etc., and sometimes rarely on Wednesdays or something somewhere
for prayer.

>Now, it was only after that I became Christian fully. It was in early 2016
where God fully told me that in a dream, that the Bible is to be the leading
influence in my life. Then from there I knew that it was important for me to
specifically be Christian.

>

>That's my story.

>God bless:

>Rilind.

>

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>   1. Re: Bethlehem avenue, Ali Sina, has failed and he is in hell

>      (Mustafa Almahdy)

>   2. Re: Bethlehem avenue, Ali Sina, has failed and he is inhell

>      (David Moore)

>   3. Re: Bethlehem avenue, Ali Sina, has failed and he is in hell

>      (BRUCE&JOY BRESLAUER)

>   4. Re: Bethlehem avenue, Ali Sina, has failed and he is in hell

>      (andrew edgcumbe)

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>Message: 1

>Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2019 23:21:29 +0200

>From: Mustafa Almahdy <against.trump2001 at gmail.com>

>To: faith-talk at nfbnet.org

>Cc: dotwriter1 at gmail.com, debbiedrylie at gmail.com,

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>Subject: Re: [Faith-Talk] Bethlehem avenue, Ali Sina, has failed and

> he is in hell

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>Well obviously, I knew who Lutherans are. The cardinal doctrine of

>justifying faith alone is not sufficient for me. I don't recall that I

>have spoken rudely to someone though. I am just asking for some proper

>equity, as Islam is being brought to discussion or even critique in

>western media. When doing so, it's constantly subjected to

>unfavourable judgement. It isn't fair at all, to intently insist to

>misportray Islam and its tenets through introducing it to the masses

>by intense haters, unjust viewers. Ali Sina deceives westerns when he

>tells them, that Islam couldn't cope with modern western fundamentals.

>Well, this isn't quite precise, critical or even transpicuous. Ali

>Sina is notoriously dishonest about everything related to Islam.

>Through eight consecutive centuries, Andalusian          Muslim

>civilisation has contributed distinctly outstanding breakthroughs to

>untutored Medieval denizens. So, Islam encourages its embracers to

>ponder, contribute and explore. Nonetheless, for the past 200 years,

>Muslims haven't invented anything useful to either themselves or

>others. Thence, they reached the back of the caravan and became such

>backward, influenced, defeated and manipulated nation. The Koran told

>Muslims, that they're the best of people, as long as they enjoin good,

>forbid evil and believe in God. So, if they failed to fulfill any of

>these terms, they're then no longer the best of people. One of the

>main reasons for which I love Islam so much, is the fact that it is

>the only faith on earth which criticises its own followers if they

>failed to maintain the competent status of proper religious tenets.

>Adhereing  certain concepts doesn't guarantee its believing

>individuals a blank check to heaven. There is no such thing in Islam.

>Islam advocates for a global vision of substantial reform in all life

>aspects. Therefore, despite anyone's ethnic affiliation, as long as he

>is firmly loyal to Islam, he could be the best of and even, at the top

>of its scholarship. So for instance, despite his enormously extraneous

>origin, for his uniquely masterpiece in Hadith discipline, imam

>Bukhari  became the invincible scholar on that regard. Well, he wasn't

>initially Arab. Nonetheless, he mastered Arabic and produced a

>wonderful textbook in its eloquent rhetoric. This extraordinary

>chef-d'oeuvre is broadly considered to be the top of major sunnah

>references and the most authentic source of Islam after the Koran,

>known as, (Sahih al-Bukhari). I hope we have a chance to introduce

>Islam to others as we see it and practice its tenets. I disregard a

>nasty version of Islam introduced by people like Ali Sina, who is

>merely a hatemonger, uses defamation of Islam to bootlick westerns and

>gain dominance among them. Outspokenly, that's a major threat, when

>working for hate, deceit, denouncement and deliberate denigration

>instantly becomes an emphatically recognised path to fame in the west.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>On 12/3/19, Ericka via Faith-Talk <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:

>> Not all Christians are evangelists. I am Lutheran. We are asked not so
much

>> to shove Bible passages down peoples throats as to live our life
according

>> toChrists? example and teaching. The Bible to me is not something to be
read

>> literally and taken literally; it is a guidebook. Through the examples of

>> those who have acted respectfully and not so respectfully we come to see

>> ourselves in the Scriptures and learn how to handle situations in a way
that

>> respects all of his creation including the human beings on this earth. We

>> are not called to be drunken, gluttonous, greedy, arrogant, and so on. If

>> you look in Galatians for the fruits of the spirit, these are what we are

>> called to beat others and good suggestions to take care of yourself as
well.

>> It looks like cell control something you need to work on as I don?t

>> appreciate the rudeness you treated Adriana.

>>

>> God sent Jesus to us to free us from rules in the Old Testament since

>> apparently people weren?t understanding what God wanted us to act and why


>>

>> Whether you?re Jewish, Islamic or Christian etc. there are people who are
go

>> to humans and then there are bad ones. Islamic dictator is killing their
own

>> faithful is not any better than The Crusades. It?s a humanity problem
that

>> we all struggle with so you can?t blame our maker whether it be God as
the

>> Christian and see it, Allah, or the supreme being and so on. We screwup.

>> Instead of dissecting everything, why don?t we start looking at the
common

>> believes and bond together for a better world we have here too and have
it

>> rather than hurting others, just respecting others and either way not
making

>> our faiths look respectable.

>>

>> Ericka Nelson

>>

>>> On Dec 3, 2019, at 11:00 AM, Mustafa Almahdy via Faith-Talk

>>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:

>>>

>>> ?Well, you're in hell as of being such a miserable failure, not able to

>>> respond to my longly held debating challenge. As for good looking

>>> women, that's the maximum rate of someone at your disposal. I don't

>>> know about these things. But I know, that staring at women illicitly

>>> is strictly prohibited in Islam. Now, as these evangelists who

>>> cluselessly fend for your plainly hateful attitude may have noticed,

>>> you're not proselytising  to their faith in any manner. You're just

>>> spreading hate and deceit about Islam. Nonetheless, that seems to be

>>> quite sufficient for them to unconsciously endorse you. I think we're

>>> fully aware as of right now, who is truly detestable, despicable and

>>> immensely hypocritical. I still want to know, where did you earn the

>>> 100000$ which you sardonically offered from? Is working for

>>> Islamophobia and hatefully relevant industries eminently so profitable

>>> in western culture? As you're currently residing in the region of

>>> southeastern Europe, I wonder, what are you doing there? As Iranian

>>> based who has been extremely notorious of intently spreading hate, I

>>> couldn't unveil the nature of your work. Where does it fill? Ali Sina

>>> aims to provoke attenuated Muslims until they ultimately apostate. Be

>>> that as it may, he doesn't care about what do they embrace afterward.

>>> Is he promoting western secularism? I wonder if he perhaps could

>>> illustrate onto that. He says before that he is not an evangelist.

>>> Fine, what is he then? As to the faith talk folks, well, someone there

>>> has just told me, that I was demanded not to post to the list anymore.

>>> Well, excuse me but, this request clearly contradicts with an explicit

>>> statement that belongs to the list's essential guidelines. On your

>>> main info page, it says, "Persons of all faiths are welcome. Feel free

>>> to post, and have fun!". That what does it state there, very clearly.

>>> You can go to the list's info page and verify this claim. So, you may

>>> either remove the above statement and replace it with a statement that

>>> informs all viewers, that this list is exclusively restricted to

>>> Christian conversation and relevantly affiliated blindness interests.

>>> Or, you may say, that each and everyone that is not believing

>>> Christian is welcome to post except Muslims. We don't want them here

>>> anymore. I bet you couldn't post such thing on your main page because

>>> you will plainly violate allegedly embraced tenets of multiculturalism

>>> and coexistence. No no, sure you could. Hasn't Trump, master of peace

>>> and tolerance insistently declared such kind remarks about Muslims in

>>> the States and other minorities? What happened when I posted to the

>>> faith talk list stuff that may not necessarily concur with their

>>> beliefs or convictions as of religious and political orientation?

>>> Well, they immediately banned me from posting to the list. In other

>>> words, forcefully unsubscribed me. Well, if I will anyway be

>>> ostracised because of my religious and political opinion, what is then

>>> the proper use of the following statement? As quoted above, it says on

>>> your main info page, "persons of all faiths are welcome." So, it's

>>> either I am welcome or not welcome. I wonder if it could be both? It

>>> could be, as long as I speak against my own religion to please

>>> Americans, lords of the world. I unfortunately couldn't cope with such

>>> demand. So, I hope the temperament of the list's owners is clarified a

>>> bit. As for Ali Sina, good luck at your glorious journey of courting

>>> gorgeous women.

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>> On 12/2/19, FFI <faithfreedom2 at gmail.com> wrote:

>>>> I am in Ukraine, If this is hell it is too cold this time of the year.

>>>> But

>>>> the women here are actually very very beautiful.  Nice hell.

>>>>

>>>> On Fri, Nov 29, 2019 at 9:45 PM Mustafa Almahdy

>>>> <against.trump2001 at gmail.com>

>>>> wrote:

>>>>

>>>>> For nearly three successive months, I have been persistently

>>>>> challenging Ali Sina to enter in a debate with me about the filth that

>>>>> he presumptuously writes about Islam. He obstinately calls the

>>>>> lasciviously based soliloquy of his own sickened prejudice worthwhile

>>>>> critique. He thence is afraid of venturing into this altercating

>>>>> field, so he may not lose his averred credibility among disinformed

>>>>> audience. He runs a vicious website entitled Ali Sina dot org. At its

>>>>> inception he writes, everything you need to know about Islam. He

>>>>> should have actually written, everything I intently lie to you about

>>>>> Islam. He unfortunately takes advantage of people's ignorance. He

>>>>> deliberately misleads his indoctrinated viewers. On his detestable

>>>>> website, he often writes about arbitrarily anonymous mortals who are

>>>>> allegedly Muslims. Therein, they have supposedly sought his eminent

>>>>> advice which has led to their ultimate apostasy. He evades conversing

>>>>> with me because I massively resemble a major threat to his reputation.

>>>>> I discredited his character and have posed decisive rebuttals to his

>>>>> truthiness. First off, why couldn't he release his accredited

>>>>> credentials or whatever that might be? Second, does he know Arabic? I

>>>>> previously demanded him to compose a basic sentence in Arabic, but he

>>>>> just couldn't. Third, in his recent message to me, he asked me to

>>>>> bring him someone to debate with, and he proposed to pay us 100000$,

>>>>> arranged half to half, between me and the one that I will bring. My

>>>>> question here is, why couldn't you just debate me for free? And, where

>>>>> did you get all this money from? Is working in the field of

>>>>> Islamophobia that profitable in the west? I hope he bravely answers

>>>>> any of these critical questions. Now, to those who purposely harbour

>>>>> such fugitives  and hatemongers, you must plainly fathom, that the

>>>>> current situation won't ever be infinite in any manner. I one day

>>>>> shall catch this Ali Sina and will then coerce him into direct

>>>>> engagement, whereas people as of Muslims and others alike can

>>>>> certainly see and judge. I genuinely believe that attainting this

>>>>> person's competency is much worse than actually putting him to death.

>>>>> If you're truly a man, you may then accept debating me. As of right

>>>>> now, he cowardly hides like a nasty mous. He is absolutely terrified

>>>>> of being caught and exposed. Had he been confident of himself, he

>>>>> would have then accepted my longly suspended debating proposal. His

>>>>> financial offer etc is just an enact to deride and avoid any potential

>>>>> confrontation. I, however, won't ever leave him on his own. Even if he

>>>>> hides below the seventh ground, I will chase him. I will keep beating

>>>>> him up until he is wholly destroyed. I knew where do you currently

>>>>> reside in Europe. We're going to meet soon, so watch out, son of

>>>>> Sina.,

>>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

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>>>>

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>Message: 2

>Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2019 18:01:08 -0500

>From: David Moore <jesusloves1966 at gmail.com>

>To: "Faith-talk, for the discussion of Blindness in faith and

> religion" <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>

>Subject: Re: [Faith-Talk] Bethlehem avenue, Ali Sina, has failed and

> he is inhell

>Message-ID: <5de83ab5.1c69fb81.a0f4d.32fa at mx.google.com>

>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

>

>Jesus said that he was God, and he proved it by rising from the dead!

>Did Mohamad rise from the dead?

>Also, Jesus said, ?I am the way, the truth, and the life!

>Nobody can come to the Father except by me!

>Also in Acts chapter 4, it says this!

>Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under Heaven
given to men, by which they must be saved!

>I believe that throws out Islam and all religion to get one to Heaven!

>Jesus is not a religion!

>He sacrificed his own self for all sin for all time!

>What about the verse that says,

>?we are saved by grace, not by works, so that no man can boast before God!

>If you throw in works, just how many works do you have to do to enter
Heaven?

>Jesus?s blood he shed for us, forgives all sin for all time as soon as we
call out to him, repent, to want to change and follow Jesus, Confess Jesus
as God, and be baptized for the remission of our sins!

>After that, only we can kick God out our lives, by not wanting God leading
us anymore!

>We, at that time, forefoot our salvation, we do not lose it without knowing
it! If works are needed, why did Jesus have to go to the cross at all, and
be separated from his Father, because my personal sin was put upon on him,
and he paid the full debt for us all!

>That is what the Word of God says, and that is all that matters!

>Every word in the Bible, is God breathed, and when you read the Bible, you
are reading the living words of God!

>God is speaking to you through his perfect Word!

>I am saddened for you, and all people who believe that the Words of God
himself are just a guide for our life!

>I have so much joy and peace by standing on the only words of God that we
will hear in this life!

>Take care, all!

>

>Sent from Mail for Windows 10

>

>From: Mustafa Almahdy via Faith-Talk

>Sent: Wednesday, December 4, 2019 4:22 PM

>To: faith-talk at nfbnet.org

>Cc: Mustafa Almahdy; rickevans5 at gmail.com; tingram at hbbc.org;
debbiedrylie at gmail.com; moore at donaldmoore.org; erickelly at bellsouth.net;
dlgoza at jeffersonbaptist.org

>Subject: Re: [Faith-Talk] Bethlehem avenue, Ali Sina, has failed and he is
inhell

>

>Well obviously, I knew who Lutherans are. The cardinal doctrine of

>justifying faith alone is not sufficient for me. I don't recall that I

>have spoken rudely to someone though. I am just asking for some proper

>equity, as Islam is being brought to discussion or even critique in

>western media. When doing so, it's constantly subjected to

>unfavourable judgement. It isn't fair at all, to intently insist to

>misportray Islam and its tenets through introducing it to the masses

>by intense haters, unjust viewers. Ali Sina deceives westerns when he

>tells them, that Islam couldn't cope with modern western fundamentals.

>Well, this isn't quite precise, critical or even transpicuous. Ali

>Sina is notoriously dishonest about everything related to Islam.

>Through eight consecutive centuries, Andalusian          Muslim

>civilisation has contributed distinctly outstanding breakthroughs to

>untutored Medieval denizens. So, Islam encourages its embracers to

>ponder, contribute and explore. Nonetheless, for the past 200 years,

>Muslims haven't invented anything useful to either themselves or

>others. Thence, they reached the back of the caravan and became such

>backward, influenced, defeated and manipulated nation. The Koran told

>Muslims, that they're the best of people, as long as they enjoin good,

>forbid evil and believe in God. So, if they failed to fulfill any of

>these terms, they're then no longer the best of people. One of the

>main reasons for which I love Islam so much, is the fact that it is

>the only faith on earth which criticises its own followers if they

>failed to maintain the competent status of proper religious tenets.

>Adhereing  certain concepts doesn't guarantee its believing

>individuals a blank check to heaven. There is no such thing in Islam.

>Islam advocates for a global vision of substantial reform in all life

>aspects. Therefore, despite anyone's ethnic affiliation, as long as he

>is firmly loyal to Islam, he could be the best of and even, at the top

>of its scholarship. So for instance, despite his enormously extraneous

>origin, for his uniquely masterpiece in Hadith discipline, imam

>Bukhari  became the invincible scholar on that regard. Well, he wasn't

>initially Arab. Nonetheless, he mastered Arabic and produced a

>wonderful textbook in its eloquent rhetoric. This extraordinary

>chef-d'oeuvre is broadly considered to be the top of major sunnah

>references and the most authentic source of Islam after the Koran,

>known as, (Sahih al-Bukhari). I hope we have a chance to introduce

>Islam to others as we see it and practice its tenets. I disregard a

>nasty version of Islam introduced by people like Ali Sina, who is

>merely a hatemonger, uses defamation of Islam to bootlick westerns and

>gain dominance among them. Outspokenly, that's a major threat, when

>working for hate, deceit, denouncement and deliberate denigration

>instantly becomes an emphatically recognised path to fame in the west.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>On 12/3/19, Ericka via Faith-Talk <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:

>> Not all Christians are evangelists. I am Lutheran. We are asked not so
much

>> to shove Bible passages down peoples throats as to live our life
according

>> toChrists? example and teaching. The Bible to me is not something to be
read

>> literally and taken literally; it is a guidebook. Through the examples of

>> those who have acted respectfully and not so respectfully we come to see

>> ourselves in the Scriptures and learn how to handle situations in a way
that

>> respects all of his creation including the human beings on this earth. We

>> are not called to be drunken, gluttonous, greedy, arrogant, and so on. If

>> you look in Galatians for the fruits of the spirit, these are what we are

>> called to beat others and good suggestions to take care of yourself as
well.

>> It looks like cell control something you need to work on as I don?t

>> appreciate the rudeness you treated Adriana.

>>

>> God sent Jesus to us to free us from rules in the Old Testament since

>> apparently people weren?t understanding what God wanted us to act and why


>>

>> Whether you?re Jewish, Islamic or Christian etc. there are people who are
go

>> to humans and then there are bad ones. Islamic dictator is killing their
own

>> faithful is not any better than The Crusades. It?s a humanity problem
that

>> we all struggle with so you can?t blame our maker whether it be God as
the

>> Christian and see it, Allah, or the supreme being and so on. We screwup.

>> Instead of dissecting everything, why don?t we start looking at the
common

>> believes and bond together for a better world we have here too and have
it

>> rather than hurting others, just respecting others and either way not
making

>> our faiths look respectable.

>>

>> Ericka Nelson

>>

>>> On Dec 3, 2019, at 11:00 AM, Mustafa Almahdy via Faith-Talk

>>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:

>>>

>>> ?Well, you're in hell as of being such a miserable failure, not able to

>>> respond to my longly held debating challenge. As for good looking

>>> women, that's the maximum rate of someone at your disposal. I don't

>>> know about these things. But I know, that staring at women illicitly

>>> is strictly prohibited in Islam. Now, as these evangelists who

>>> cluselessly fend for your plainly hateful attitude may have noticed,

>>> you're not proselytising  to their faith in any manner. You're just

>>> spreading hate and deceit about Islam. Nonetheless, that seems to be

>>> quite sufficient for them to unconsciously endorse you. I think we're

>>> fully aware as of right now, who is truly detestable, despicable and

>>> immensely hypocritical. I still want to know, where did you earn the

>>> 100000$ which you sardonically offered from? Is working for

>>> Islamophobia and hatefully relevant industries eminently so profitable

>>> in western culture? As you're currently residing in the region of

>>> southeastern Europe, I wonder, what are you doing there? As Iranian

>>> based who has been extremely notorious of intently spreading hate, I

>>> couldn't unveil the nature of your work. Where does it fill? Ali Sina

>>> aims to provoke attenuated Muslims until they ultimately apostate. Be

>>> that as it may, he doesn't care about what do they embrace afterward.

>>> Is he promoting western secularism? I wonder if he perhaps could

>>> illustrate onto that. He says before that he is not an evangelist.

>>> Fine, what is he then? As to the faith talk folks, well, someone there

>>> has just told me, that I was demanded not to post to the list anymore.

>>> Well, excuse me but, this request clearly contradicts with an explicit

>>> statement that belongs to the list's essential guidelines. On your

>>> main info page, it says, "Persons of all faiths are welcome. Feel free

>>> to post, and have fun!". That what does it state there, very clearly.

>>> You can go to the list's info page and verify this claim. So, you may

>>> either remove the above statement and replace it with a statement that

>>> informs all viewers, that this list is exclusively restricted to

>>> Christian conversation and relevantly affiliated blindness interests.

>>> Or, you may say, that each and everyone that is not believing

>>> Christian is welcome to post except Muslims. We don't want them here

>>> anymore. I bet you couldn't post such thing on your main page because

>>> you will plainly violate allegedly embraced tenets of multiculturalism

>>> and coexistence. No no, sure you could. Hasn't Trump, master of peace

>>> and tolerance insistently declared such kind remarks about Muslims in

>>> the States and other minorities? What happened when I posted to the

>>> faith talk list stuff that may not necessarily concur with their

>>> beliefs or convictions as of religious and political orientation?

>>> Well, they immediately banned me from posting to the list. In other

>>> words, forcefully unsubscribed me. Well, if I will anyway be

>>> ostracised because of my religious and political opinion, what is then

>>> the proper use of the following statement? As quoted above, it says on

>>> your main info page, "persons of all faiths are welcome." So, it's

>>> either I am welcome or not welcome. I wonder if it could be both? It

>>> could be, as long as I speak against my own religion to please

>>> Americans, lords of the world. I unfortunately couldn't cope with such

>>> demand. So, I hope the temperament of the list's owners is clarified a

>>> bit. As for Ali Sina, good luck at your glorious journey of courting

>>> gorgeous women.

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>> On 12/2/19, FFI <faithfreedom2 at gmail.com> wrote:

>>>> I am in Ukraine, If this is hell it is too cold this time of the year.

>>>> But

>>>> the women here are actually very very beautiful.  Nice hell.

>>>>

>>>> On Fri, Nov 29, 2019 at 9:45 PM Mustafa Almahdy

>>>> <against.trump2001 at gmail.com>

>>>> wrote:

>>>>

>>>>> For nearly three successive months, I have been persistently

>>>>> challenging Ali Sina to enter in a debate with me about the filth that

>>>>> he presumptuously writes about Islam. He obstinately calls the

>>>>> lasciviously based soliloquy of his own sickened prejudice worthwhile

>>>>> critique. He thence is afraid of venturing into this altercating

>>>>> field, so he may not lose his averred credibility among disinformed

>>>>> audience. He runs a vicious website entitled Ali Sina dot org. At its

>>>>> inception he writes, everything you need to know about Islam. He

>>>>> should have actually written, everything I intently lie to you about

>>>>> Islam. He unfortunately takes advantage of people's ignorance. He

>>>>> deliberately misleads his indoctrinated viewers. On his detestable

>>>>> website, he often writes about arbitrarily anonymous mortals who are

>>>>> allegedly Muslims. Therein, they have supposedly sought his eminent

>>>>> advice which has led to their ultimate apostasy. He evades conversing

>>>>> with me because I massively resemble a major threat to his reputation.

>>>>> I discredited his character and have posed decisive rebuttals to his

>>>>> truthiness. First off, why couldn't he release his accredited

>>>>> credentials or whatever that might be? Second, does he know Arabic? I

>>>>> previously demanded him to compose a basic sentence in Arabic, but he

>>>>> just couldn't. Third, in his recent message to me, he asked me to

>>>>> bring him someone to debate with, and he proposed to pay us 100000$,

>>>>> arranged half to half, between me and the one that I will bring. My

>>>>> question here is, why couldn't you just debate me for free? And, where

>>>>> did you get all this money from? Is working in the field of

>>>>> Islamophobia that profitable in the west? I hope he bravely answers

>>>>> any of these critical questions. Now, to those who purposely harbour

>>>>> such fugitives  and hatemongers, you must plainly fathom, that the

>>>>> current situation won't ever be infinite in any manner. I one day

>>>>> shall catch this Ali Sina and will then coerce him into direct

>>>>> engagement, whereas people as of Muslims and others alike can

>>>>> certainly see and judge. I genuinely believe that attainting this

>>>>> person's competency is much worse than actually putting him to death.

>>>>> If you're truly a man, you may then accept debating me. As of right

>>>>> now, he cowardly hides like a nasty mous. He is absolutely terrified

>>>>> of being caught and exposed. Had he been confident of himself, he

>>>>> would have then accepted my longly suspended debating proposal. His

>>>>> financial offer etc is just an enact to deride and avoid any potential

>>>>> confrontation. I, however, won't ever leave him on his own. Even if he

>>>>> hides below the seventh ground, I will chase him. I will keep beating

>>>>> him up until he is wholly destroyed. I knew where do you currently

>>>>> reside in Europe. We're going to meet soon, so watch out, son of

>>>>> Sina.,

>>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> --

>>>> alisina.org <http://www.alisina.org>

>>>> faithfreedom.org <http://www.faithfreedom.org>

>>>>

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>Message: 3

>Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2019 18:22:38 -0700

>From: "BRUCE&JOY BRESLAUER" <breslauerj at gmail.com>

>To: "'Faith-talk, for the discussion of Blindness in faith and

> religion'" <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>

>Subject: Re: [Faith-Talk] Bethlehem avenue, Ali Sina, has failed and

> he is in hell

>Message-ID: <00a501d5ab0a$7bbe2820$733a7860$@gmail.com>

>

>Mustafa,

>

>I will say what I have to say, and then I will not engage with you further.

>

>We are not the Western media.  We are a group of blind people here to
discuss

>how blindness affects our lives as religious participants.  Sometimes the

>discussion does stray into religious beliefs, but we are not here to bash
one

>another or to put one another down.  Many of us on this list are Christians


>but the purpose of this list is not to debate religion.  We are not here to

>spread hatred or vitriol.  This is not the list to discuss your opinion of

>someone else's beliefs.  If you were truly interested in discussing
religion

>calmly and rationally, that might be one thing.  We believe what we believe
and

>you believe what you believe, and we will never agree.  You believe that
what

>you believe is correct, and so do we.  So do adherents of every religion or

>nonreligion.  We can't all be right.  Two opposing views cannot both be
true.

>The Bible says that Jesus said, "before Abraham was, I am," so he predates

>Mohammed and everyone else.  (John 8:58.)  There is nothing to debate.  I
would

>rather go through my life and die believing what I believe.  If I am wrong,

>then I lose everything.  If I am right, then I gain everything.  I will
gladly

>take the risk.  What about you?

>

>I'm sure you know that there are Christians and then there are Christians,
just

>like there are Moslems and Moslems.  Some are strident and hateful, some
are

>not.  We are all learning and striving to be better, especially if we live
a

>life of prayer and contemplation, read the Scriptures, and exhibit the
fruits

>of the Spirit to others: love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness,

>faithfulness, gentleness, and self-control. (Galatians 5: 22-23.)  These
are

>not things I can conjure up on my own; they are the result of living the
life

>of a connected branch.  (John 15:5.) Without being connected to that

>life-giving vine, I can do nothing.  I do not have the right to be
judgmental,

>but I do have the right to be a fruit inspector. (Matthew 7:15-20.)  What I
see

>is not a matter of my opinion; it is self-evident.  That is something you
and

>Allah will have to come to terms with at some point.

>

>Many awful things have been done in the name of religion, every religion. 
That

>is not an excuse, it is a fact.

>

>Jesus willingly gave up His deity to come to earth as a man, to live among
us

>for a time, to be crucified for our sins, and to rise from the dead
victorious

>over sin and death.  He had to do it because no one else could.  No one
else is

>pure enough, only God.  No one else is sinless--not you, not me, not
Mohammed.

>Mohammed did not rise from the dead to eternal life.  Jesus did.  He said
He

>would, and  that is why He came.  The tomb was sealed and guarded to
prevent

>His getting out, and no one could believe it when He actually did.  Women

>spread the news, which was contrary to the culture of the day.  This is all

>fact, not conjecture.  He appeared to many people afterwards, hundreds at a

>time, so they couldn't continue with the conspiracy theories that maybe

>somebody stole the body.  The tomb was empty and the burial clothes were
still

>there, wrapped up like a body was still in them.  People saw Him, complete
with

>the nail prints in His hands and feet and the wound in His side.  They
wrote

>down what they saw.  God's foolishness is wiser than man's wisdom.  (1

>Corinthians 1:25.)

>

>So the bottom line is, what will you do with this Jesus?  Either He is who
He

>says He is, or he is a liar, or he is crazy.  If you truly search the

>Scriptures with an open mind and heart, you will find out which is true.

>

>Joy

>-----Original Message-----

>From: Faith-Talk <faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Mustafa
Almahdy

>via Faith-Talk

>Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2019 2:21 PM

>To: faith-talk at nfbnet.org

>Cc: Mustafa Almahdy <against.trump2001 at gmail.com>; rickevans5 at gmail.com;

>tingram at hbbc.org; debbiedrylie at gmail.com; moore at donaldmoore.org;

>erickelly at bellsouth.net; dlgoza at jeffersonbaptist.org

>Subject: Re: [Faith-Talk] Bethlehem avenue, Ali Sina, has failed and he is
in

>hell

>

>Well obviously, I knew who Lutherans are. The cardinal doctrine of
justifying

>faith alone is not sufficient for me. I don't recall that I have spoken
rudely

>to someone though. I am just asking for some proper equity, as Islam is
being

>brought to discussion or even critique in western media. When doing so, it
s

>constantly subjected to unfavourable judgement. It isn't fair at all, to

>intently insist to misportray Islam and its tenets through introducing it
to

>the masses by intense haters, unjust viewers. Ali Sina deceives westerns
when

>he tells them, that Islam couldn't cope with modern western fundamentals.

>Well, this isn't quite precise, critical or even transpicuous. Ali Sina is

>notoriously dishonest about everything related to Islam.

>Through eight consecutive centuries, Andalusian          Muslim

>civilisation has contributed distinctly outstanding breakthroughs to
untutored

>Medieval denizens. So, Islam encourages its embracers to ponder, contribute
and

>explore. Nonetheless, for the past 200 years, Muslims haven't invented
anything

>useful to either themselves or others. Thence, they reached the back of the

>caravan and became such backward, influenced, defeated and manipulated
nation.

>The Koran told Muslims, that they're the best of people, as long as they
enjoin

>good, forbid evil and believe in God. So, if they failed to fulfill any of

>these terms, they're then no longer the best of people. One of the main
reasons

>for which I love Islam so much, is the fact that it is the only faith on
earth

>which criticises its own followers if they failed to maintain the competent

>status of proper religious tenets.

>Adhereing  certain concepts doesn't guarantee its believing individuals a
blank

>check to heaven. There is no such thing in Islam.

>Islam advocates for a global vision of substantial reform in all life
aspects.

>Therefore, despite anyone's ethnic affiliation, as long as he is firmly
loyal

>to Islam, he could be the best of and even, at the top of its scholarship.
So

>for instance, despite his enormously extraneous origin, for his uniquely

>masterpiece in Hadith discipline, imam Bukhari  became the invincible
scholar

>on that regard. Well, he wasn't initially Arab. Nonetheless, he mastered
Arabic

>and produced a wonderful textbook in its eloquent rhetoric. This
extraordinary

>chef-d'oeuvre is broadly considered to be the top of major sunnah
references

>and the most authentic source of Islam after the Koran, known as, (Sahih

>al-Bukhari). I hope we have a chance to introduce Islam to others as we see
it

>and practice its tenets. I disregard a nasty version of Islam introduced by

>people like Ali Sina, who is merely a hatemonger, uses defamation of Islam
to

>bootlick westerns and gain dominance among them. Outspokenly, that's a
major

>threat, when working for hate, deceit, denouncement and deliberate
denigration

>instantly becomes an emphatically recognised path to fame in the west.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>On 12/3/19, Ericka via Faith-Talk <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:

>> Not all Christians are evangelists. I am Lutheran. We are asked not so

>> much to shove Bible passages down peoples throats as to live our life

>> according toChrists' example and teaching. The Bible to me is not

>> something to be read literally and taken literally; it is a guidebook.

>> Through the examples of those who have acted respectfully and not so

>> respectfully we come to see ourselves in the Scriptures and learn how

>> to handle situations in a way that respects all of his creation

>> including the human beings on this earth. We are not called to be

>> drunken, gluttonous, greedy, arrogant, and so on. If you look in

>> Galatians for the fruits of the spirit, these are what we are called to
beat

>> others and good suggestions to take care of yourself as well.

>> It looks like cell control something you need to work on as I don't

>> appreciate the rudeness you treated Adriana.

>>

>> God sent Jesus to us to free us from rules in the Old Testament since

>> apparently people weren't understanding what God wanted us to act and why


>>

>> Whether you're Jewish, Islamic or Christian etc. there are people who

>> are go to humans and then there are bad ones. Islamic dictator is

>> killing their own faithful is not any better than The Crusades. It's a

>> humanity problem that we all struggle with so you can't blame our

>> maker whether it be God as the Christian and see it, Allah, or the
supreme

>> being and so on. We screwup.

>> Instead of dissecting everything, why don't we start looking at the

>> common believes and bond together for a better world we have here too

>> and have it rather than hurting others, just respecting others and

>> either way not making our faiths look respectable.

>>

>> Ericka Nelson

>>

>>> On Dec 3, 2019, at 11:00 AM, Mustafa Almahdy via Faith-Talk

>>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:

>>>

>>> ?Well, you're in hell as of being such a miserable failure, not able

>>> to respond to my longly held debating challenge. As for good looking

>>> women, that's the maximum rate of someone at your disposal. I don't

>>> know about these things. But I know, that staring at women illicitly

>>> is strictly prohibited in Islam. Now, as these evangelists who

>>> cluselessly fend for your plainly hateful attitude may have noticed,

>>> you're not proselytising  to their faith in any manner. You're just

>>> spreading hate and deceit about Islam. Nonetheless, that seems to be

>>> quite sufficient for them to unconsciously endorse you. I think we're

>>> fully aware as of right now, who is truly detestable, despicable and

>>> immensely hypocritical. I still want to know, where did you earn the

>>> 100000$ which you sardonically offered from? Is working for

>>> Islamophobia and hatefully relevant industries eminently so

>>> profitable in western culture? As you're currently residing in the

>>> region of southeastern Europe, I wonder, what are you doing there? As

>>> Iranian based who has been extremely notorious of intently spreading

>>> hate, I couldn't unveil the nature of your work. Where does it fill?

>>> Ali Sina aims to provoke attenuated Muslims until they ultimately

>>> apostate. Be that as it may, he doesn't care about what do they embrace

>>> afterward.

>>> Is he promoting western secularism? I wonder if he perhaps could

>>> illustrate onto that. He says before that he is not an evangelist.

>>> Fine, what is he then? As to the faith talk folks, well, someone

>>> there has just told me, that I was demanded not to post to the list
anymore.

>>> Well, excuse me but, this request clearly contradicts with an

>>> explicit statement that belongs to the list's essential guidelines.

>>> On your main info page, it says, "Persons of all faiths are welcome.

>>> Feel free to post, and have fun!". That what does it state there, very

>>> clearly.

>>> You can go to the list's info page and verify this claim. So, you may

>>> either remove the above statement and replace it with a statement

>>> that informs all viewers, that this list is exclusively restricted to

>>> Christian conversation and relevantly affiliated blindness interests.

>>> Or, you may say, that each and everyone that is not believing

>>> Christian is welcome to post except Muslims. We don't want them here

>>> anymore. I bet you couldn't post such thing on your main page because

>>> you will plainly violate allegedly embraced tenets of

>>> multiculturalism and coexistence. No no, sure you could. Hasn't

>>> Trump, master of peace and tolerance insistently declared such kind

>>> remarks about Muslims in the States and other minorities? What

>>> happened when I posted to the faith talk list stuff that may not

>>> necessarily concur with their beliefs or convictions as of religious and

>>> political orientation?

>>> Well, they immediately banned me from posting to the list. In other

>>> words, forcefully unsubscribed me. Well, if I will anyway be

>>> ostracised because of my religious and political opinion, what is

>>> then the proper use of the following statement? As quoted above, it

>>> says on your main info page, "persons of all faiths are welcome." So,

>>> it's either I am welcome or not welcome. I wonder if it could be

>>> both? It could be, as long as I speak against my own religion to

>>> please Americans, lords of the world. I unfortunately couldn't cope

>>> with such demand. So, I hope the temperament of the list's owners is

>>> clarified a bit. As for Ali Sina, good luck at your glorious journey

>>> of courting gorgeous women.

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>> On 12/2/19, FFI <faithfreedom2 at gmail.com> wrote:

>>>> I am in Ukraine, If this is hell it is too cold this time of the year.

>>>> But

>>>> the women here are actually very very beautiful.  Nice hell.

>>>>

>>>> On Fri, Nov 29, 2019 at 9:45 PM Mustafa Almahdy

>>>> <against.trump2001 at gmail.com>

>>>> wrote:

>>>>

>>>>> For nearly three successive months, I have been persistently

>>>>> challenging Ali Sina to enter in a debate with me about the filth

>>>>> that he presumptuously writes about Islam. He obstinately calls the

>>>>> lasciviously based soliloquy of his own sickened prejudice

>>>>> worthwhile critique. He thence is afraid of venturing into this

>>>>> altercating field, so he may not lose his averred credibility among

>>>>> disinformed audience. He runs a vicious website entitled Ali Sina

>>>>> dot org. At its inception he writes, everything you need to know

>>>>> about Islam. He should have actually written, everything I intently

>>>>> lie to you about Islam. He unfortunately takes advantage of

>>>>> people's ignorance. He deliberately misleads his indoctrinated

>>>>> viewers. On his detestable website, he often writes about

>>>>> arbitrarily anonymous mortals who are allegedly Muslims. Therein,

>>>>> they have supposedly sought his eminent advice which has led to

>>>>> their ultimate apostasy. He evades conversing with me because I
massively

>>>>> resemble a major threat to his reputation.

>>>>> I discredited his character and have posed decisive rebuttals to

>>>>> his truthiness. First off, why couldn't he release his accredited

>>>>> credentials or whatever that might be? Second, does he know Arabic?

>>>>> I previously demanded him to compose a basic sentence in Arabic,

>>>>> but he just couldn't. Third, in his recent message to me, he asked

>>>>> me to bring him someone to debate with, and he proposed to pay us

>>>>> 100000$, arranged half to half, between me and the one that I will

>>>>> bring. My question here is, why couldn't you just debate me for

>>>>> free? And, where did you get all this money from? Is working in the

>>>>> field of Islamophobia that profitable in the west? I hope he

>>>>> bravely answers any of these critical questions. Now, to those who

>>>>> purposely harbour such fugitives  and hatemongers, you must plainly

>>>>> fathom, that the current situation won't ever be infinite in any

>>>>> manner. I one day shall catch this Ali Sina and will then coerce

>>>>> him into direct engagement, whereas people as of Muslims and others

>>>>> alike can certainly see and judge. I genuinely believe that

>>>>> attainting this person's competency is much worse than actually
putting

>>>>> him to death.

>>>>> If you're truly a man, you may then accept debating me. As of right

>>>>> now, he cowardly hides like a nasty mous. He is absolutely

>>>>> terrified of being caught and exposed. Had he been confident of

>>>>> himself, he would have then accepted my longly suspended debating

>>>>> proposal. His financial offer etc is just an enact to deride and

>>>>> avoid any potential confrontation. I, however, won't ever leave him

>>>>> on his own. Even if he hides below the seventh ground, I will chase

>>>>> him. I will keep beating him up until he is wholly destroyed. I

>>>>> knew where do you currently reside in Europe. We're going to meet

>>>>> soon, so watch out, son of Sina.,

>>>>>

>>>>

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>Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2019 23:30:18 -0500

>From: andrew edgcumbe <rollercoasterman86 at gmail.com>

>To: "Faith-talk, for the discussion of Blindness in faith and

> religion" <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>

>Subject: Re: [Faith-Talk] Bethlehem avenue, Ali Sina, has failed and

> he is in hell

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>well i agree with Joy. this is not the list to discuss believs i

>thought this list was here to discuss blindness and issues blind

>people have within church not beliefs as such.  by looks of it you

>sent this essage to some of your contacts and included it in  the

>group within that contact list.  Either Jesus says  is who he says or

>he is a lyer and we have wasted our time in our churches worshiping a

>false  God. The thing is this we are not to hate one another nor put

>people down.

>

>On 12/4/19, BRUCE&JOY BRESLAUER via Faith-Talk <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
wrote:

>> Mustafa,

>>

>> I will say what I have to say, and then I will not engage with you
further.

>>

>> We are not the Western media.  We are a group of blind people here to

>> discuss

>> how blindness affects our lives as religious participants.  Sometimes the

>> discussion does stray into religious beliefs, but we are not here to bash

>> one

>> another or to put one another down.  Many of us on this list are
Christians,

>>

>> but the purpose of this list is not to debate religion.  We are not here
to

>>

>> spread hatred or vitriol.  This is not the list to discuss your opinion
of

>> someone else's beliefs.  If you were truly interested in discussing
religion

>>

>> calmly and rationally, that might be one thing.  We believe what we
believe

>> and

>> you believe what you believe, and we will never agree.  You believe that

>> what

>> you believe is correct, and so do we.  So do adherents of every religion
or

>>

>> nonreligion.  We can't all be right.  Two opposing views cannot both be

>> true.

>> The Bible says that Jesus said, "before Abraham was, I am," so he
predates

>> Mohammed and everyone else.  (John 8:58.)  There is nothing to debate.  I

>> would

>> rather go through my life and die believing what I believe.  If I am
wrong,

>>

>> then I lose everything.  If I am right, then I gain everything.  I will

>> gladly

>> take the risk.  What about you?

>>

>> I'm sure you know that there are Christians and then there are Christians


>> just

>> like there are Moslems and Moslems.  Some are strident and hateful, some
are

>>

>> not.  We are all learning and striving to be better, especially if we
live a

>>

>> life of prayer and contemplation, read the Scriptures, and exhibit the

>> fruits

>> of the Spirit to others: love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness,

>> faithfulness, gentleness, and self-control. (Galatians 5: 22-23.)  These
are

>>

>> not things I can conjure up on my own; they are the result of living the

>> life

>> of a connected branch.  (John 15:5.) Without being connected to that

>> life-giving vine, I can do nothing.  I do not have the right to be

>> judgmental,

>> but I do have the right to be a fruit inspector. (Matthew 7:15-20.)  What
I

>> see

>> is not a matter of my opinion; it is self-evident.  That is something you

>> and

>> Allah will have to come to terms with at some point.

>>

>> Many awful things have been done in the name of religion, every religion.

>> That

>> is not an excuse, it is a fact.

>>

>> Jesus willingly gave up His deity to come to earth as a man, to live
among

>> us

>> for a time, to be crucified for our sins, and to rise from the dead

>> victorious

>> over sin and death.  He had to do it because no one else could.  No one
else

>> is

>> pure enough, only God.  No one else is sinless--not you, not me, not

>> Mohammed.

>> Mohammed did not rise from the dead to eternal life.  Jesus did.  He said
He

>>

>> would, and  that is why He came.  The tomb was sealed and guarded to
prevent

>>

>> His getting out, and no one could believe it when He actually did.  Women

>> spread the news, which was contrary to the culture of the day.  This is
all

>>

>> fact, not conjecture.  He appeared to many people afterwards, hundreds at
a

>>

>> time, so they couldn't continue with the conspiracy theories that maybe

>> somebody stole the body.  The tomb was empty and the burial clothes were

>> still

>> there, wrapped up like a body was still in them.  People saw Him,
complete

>> with

>> the nail prints in His hands and feet and the wound in His side.  They
wrote

>>

>> down what they saw.  God's foolishness is wiser than man's wisdom.  (1

>> Corinthians 1:25.)

>>

>> So the bottom line is, what will you do with this Jesus?  Either He is
who

>> He

>> says He is, or he is a liar, or he is crazy.  If you truly search the

>> Scriptures with an open mind and heart, you will find out which is true.

>>

>> Joy

>> -----Original Message-----

>> From: Faith-Talk <faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Mustafa

>> Almahdy

>> via Faith-Talk

>> Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2019 2:21 PM

>> To: faith-talk at nfbnet.org

>> Cc: Mustafa Almahdy <against.trump2001 at gmail.com>; rickevans5 at gmail.com;

>> tingram at hbbc.org; debbiedrylie at gmail.com; moore at donaldmoore.org;

>> erickelly at bellsouth.net; dlgoza at jeffersonbaptist.org

>> Subject: Re: [Faith-Talk] Bethlehem avenue, Ali Sina, has failed and he
is

>> in

>> hell

>>

>> Well obviously, I knew who Lutherans are. The cardinal doctrine of

>> justifying

>> faith alone is not sufficient for me. I don't recall that I have spoken

>> rudely

>> to someone though. I am just asking for some proper equity, as Islam is

>> being

>> brought to discussion or even critique in western media. When doing so,
it's

>>

>> constantly subjected to unfavourable judgement. It isn't fair at all, to

>> intently insist to misportray Islam and its tenets through introducing it
to

>>

>> the masses by intense haters, unjust viewers. Ali Sina deceives westerns

>> when

>> he tells them, that Islam couldn't cope with modern western fundamentals.

>> Well, this isn't quite precise, critical or even transpicuous. Ali Sina
is

>> notoriously dishonest about everything related to Islam.

>> Through eight consecutive centuries, Andalusian          Muslim

>> civilisation has contributed distinctly outstanding breakthroughs to

>> untutored

>> Medieval denizens. So, Islam encourages its embracers to ponder,
contribute

>> and

>> explore. Nonetheless, for the past 200 years, Muslims haven't invented

>> anything

>> useful to either themselves or others. Thence, they reached the back of
the

>>

>> caravan and became such backward, influenced, defeated and manipulated

>> nation.

>> The Koran told Muslims, that they're the best of people, as long as they

>> enjoin

>> good, forbid evil and believe in God. So, if they failed to fulfill any
of

>> these terms, they're then no longer the best of people. One of the main

>> reasons

>> for which I love Islam so much, is the fact that it is the only faith on

>> earth

>> which criticises its own followers if they failed to maintain the
competent

>>

>> status of proper religious tenets.

>> Adhereing  certain concepts doesn't guarantee its believing individuals a

>> blank

>> check to heaven. There is no such thing in Islam.

>> Islam advocates for a global vision of substantial reform in all life

>> aspects.

>> Therefore, despite anyone's ethnic affiliation, as long as he is firmly

>> loyal

>> to Islam, he could be the best of and even, at the top of its scholarship


>> So

>> for instance, despite his enormously extraneous origin, for his uniquely

>> masterpiece in Hadith discipline, imam Bukhari  became the invincible

>> scholar

>> on that regard. Well, he wasn't initially Arab. Nonetheless, he mastered

>> Arabic

>> and produced a wonderful textbook in its eloquent rhetoric. This

>> extraordinary

>> chef-d'oeuvre is broadly considered to be the top of major sunnah
references

>>

>> and the most authentic source of Islam after the Koran, known as, (Sahih

>> al-Bukhari). I hope we have a chance to introduce Islam to others as we
see

>> it

>> and practice its tenets. I disregard a nasty version of Islam introduced
by

>>

>> people like Ali Sina, who is merely a hatemonger, uses defamation of
Islam

>> to

>> bootlick westerns and gain dominance among them. Outspokenly, that's a
major

>>

>> threat, when working for hate, deceit, denouncement and deliberate

>> denigration

>> instantly becomes an emphatically recognised path to fame in the west.

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>> On 12/3/19, Ericka via Faith-Talk <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:

>>> Not all Christians are evangelists. I am Lutheran. We are asked not so

>>> much to shove Bible passages down peoples throats as to live our life

>>> according toChrists' example and teaching. The Bible to me is not

>>> something to be read literally and taken literally; it is a guidebook.

>>> Through the examples of those who have acted respectfully and not so

>>> respectfully we come to see ourselves in the Scriptures and learn how

>>> to handle situations in a way that respects all of his creation

>>> including the human beings on this earth. We are not called to be

>>> drunken, gluttonous, greedy, arrogant, and so on. If you look in

>>> Galatians for the fruits of the spirit, these are what we are called to

>>> beat

>>> others and good suggestions to take care of yourself as well.

>>> It looks like cell control something you need to work on as I don't

>>> appreciate the rudeness you treated Adriana.

>>>

>>> God sent Jesus to us to free us from rules in the Old Testament since

>>> apparently people weren't understanding what God wanted us to act and

>>> why.

>>>

>>> Whether you're Jewish, Islamic or Christian etc. there are people who

>>> are go to humans and then there are bad ones. Islamic dictator is

>>> killing their own faithful is not any better than The Crusades. It's a

>>> humanity problem that we all struggle with so you can't blame our

>>> maker whether it be God as the Christian and see it, Allah, or the
supreme

>>>

>>> being and so on. We screwup.

>>> Instead of dissecting everything, why don't we start looking at the

>>> common believes and bond together for a better world we have here too

>>> and have it rather than hurting others, just respecting others and

>>> either way not making our faiths look respectable.

>>>

>>> Ericka Nelson

>>>

>>>> On Dec 3, 2019, at 11:00 AM, Mustafa Almahdy via Faith-Talk

>>>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:

>>>>

>>>> ?Well, you're in hell as of being such a miserable failure, not able

>>>> to respond to my longly held debating challenge. As for good looking

>>>> women, that's the maximum rate of someone at your disposal. I don't

>>>> know about these things. But I know, that staring at women illicitly

>>>> is strictly prohibited in Islam. Now, as these evangelists who

>>>> cluselessly fend for your plainly hateful attitude may have noticed,

>>>> you're not proselytising  to their faith in any manner. You're just

>>>> spreading hate and deceit about Islam. Nonetheless, that seems to be

>>>> quite sufficient for them to unconsciously endorse you. I think we're

>>>> fully aware as of right now, who is truly detestable, despicable and

>>>> immensely hypocritical. I still want to know, where did you earn the

>>>> 100000$ which you sardonically offered from? Is working for

>>>> Islamophobia and hatefully relevant industries eminently so

>>>> profitable in western culture? As you're currently residing in the

>>>> region of southeastern Europe, I wonder, what are you doing there? As

>>>> Iranian based who has been extremely notorious of intently spreading

>>>> hate, I couldn't unveil the nature of your work. Where does it fill?

>>>> Ali Sina aims to provoke attenuated Muslims until they ultimately

>>>> apostate. Be that as it may, he doesn't care about what do they embrace

>>>> afterward.

>>>> Is he promoting western secularism? I wonder if he perhaps could

>>>> illustrate onto that. He says before that he is not an evangelist.

>>>> Fine, what is he then? As to the faith talk folks, well, someone

>>>> there has just told me, that I was demanded not to post to the list

>>>> anymore.

>>>> Well, excuse me but, this request clearly contradicts with an

>>>> explicit statement that belongs to the list's essential guidelines.

>>>> On your main info page, it says, "Persons of all faiths are welcome.

>>>> Feel free to post, and have fun!". That what does it state there, very

>>>> clearly.

>>>> You can go to the list's info page and verify this claim. So, you may

>>>> either remove the above statement and replace it with a statement

>>>> that informs all viewers, that this list is exclusively restricted to

>>>> Christian conversation and relevantly affiliated blindness interests.

>>>> Or, you may say, that each and everyone that is not believing

>>>> Christian is welcome to post except Muslims. We don't want them here

>>>> anymore. I bet you couldn't post such thing on your main page because

>>>> you will plainly violate allegedly embraced tenets of

>>>> multiculturalism and coexistence. No no, sure you could. Hasn't

>>>> Trump, master of peace and tolerance insistently declared such kind

>>>> remarks about Muslims in the States and other minorities? What

>>>> happened when I posted to the faith talk list stuff that may not

>>>> necessarily concur with their beliefs or convictions as of religious
and

>>>>

>>>> political orientation?

>>>> Well, they immediately banned me from posting to the list. In other

>>>> words, forcefully unsubscribed me. Well, if I will anyway be

>>>> ostracised because of my religious and political opinion, what is

>>>> then the proper use of the following statement? As quoted above, it

>>>> says on your main info page, "persons of all faiths are welcome." So,

>>>> it's either I am welcome or not welcome. I wonder if it could be

>>>> both? It could be, as long as I speak against my own religion to

>>>> please Americans, lords of the world. I unfortunately couldn't cope

>>>> with such demand. So, I hope the temperament of the list's owners is

>>>> clarified a bit. As for Ali Sina, good luck at your glorious journey

>>>> of courting gorgeous women.

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>> On 12/2/19, FFI <faithfreedom2 at gmail.com> wrote:

>>>>> I am in Ukraine, If this is hell it is too cold this time of the year.

>>>>> But

>>>>> the women here are actually very very beautiful.  Nice hell.

>>>>>

>>>>> On Fri, Nov 29, 2019 at 9:45 PM Mustafa Almahdy

>>>>> <against.trump2001 at gmail.com>

>>>>> wrote:

>>>>>

>>>>>> For nearly three successive months, I have been persistently

>>>>>> challenging Ali Sina to enter in a debate with me about the filth

>>>>>> that he presumptuously writes about Islam. He obstinately calls the

>>>>>> lasciviously based soliloquy of his own sickened prejudice

>>>>>> worthwhile critique. He thence is afraid of venturing into this

>>>>>> altercating field, so he may not lose his averred credibility among

>>>>>> disinformed audience. He runs a vicious website entitled Ali Sina

>>>>>> dot org. At its inception he writes, everything you need to know

>>>>>> about Islam. He should have actually written, everything I intently

>>>>>> lie to you about Islam. He unfortunately takes advantage of

>>>>>> people's ignorance. He deliberately misleads his indoctrinated

>>>>>> viewers. On his detestable website, he often writes about

>>>>>> arbitrarily anonymous mortals who are allegedly Muslims. Therein,

>>>>>> they have supposedly sought his eminent advice which has led to

>>>>>> their ultimate apostasy. He evades conversing with me because I

>>>>>> massively

>>>>>> resemble a major threat to his reputation.

>>>>>> I discredited his character and have posed decisive rebuttals to

>>>>>> his truthiness. First off, why couldn't he release his accredited

>>>>>> credentials or whatever that might be? Second, does he know Arabic?

>>>>>> I previously demanded him to compose a basic sentence in Arabic,

>>>>>> but he just couldn't. Third, in his recent message to me, he asked

>>>>>> me to bring him someone to debate with, and he proposed to pay us

>>>>>> 100000$, arranged half to half, between me and the one that I will

>>>>>> bring. My question here is, why couldn't you just debate me for

>>>>>> free? And, where did you get all this money from? Is working in the

>>>>>> field of Islamophobia that profitable in the west? I hope he

>>>>>> bravely answers any of these critical questions. Now, to those who

>>>>>> purposely harbour such fugitives  and hatemongers, you must plainly

>>>>>> fathom, that the current situation won't ever be infinite in any

>>>>>> manner. I one day shall catch this Ali Sina and will then coerce

>>>>>> him into direct engagement, whereas people as of Muslims and others

>>>>>> alike can certainly see and judge. I genuinely believe that

>>>>>> attainting this person's competency is much worse than actually
putting

>>>>>>

>>>>>> him to death.

>>>>>> If you're truly a man, you may then accept debating me. As of right

>>>>>> now, he cowardly hides like a nasty mous. He is absolutely

>>>>>> terrified of being caught and exposed. Had he been confident of

>>>>>> himself, he would have then accepted my longly suspended debating

>>>>>> proposal. His financial offer etc is just an enact to deride and

>>>>>> avoid any potential confrontation. I, however, won't ever leave him

>>>>>> on his own. Even if he hides below the seventh ground, I will chase

>>>>>> him. I will keep beating him up until he is wholly destroyed. I

>>>>>> knew where do you currently reside in Europe. We're going to meet

>>>>>> soon, so watch out, son of Sina.,

>>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

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>>>>> <http://www.faithfreedom.org>

>>>>>

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Message: 2

Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2019 13:48:51 -0400 (Atlantic Standard Time)

From: "angelgal at nb.sympatico.ca" <angelgal at nb.sympatico.ca>

To: "Faith-talk for the discussion of Blindness in faith and religion"

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Subject: Re: [Faith-Talk] Introduction From Rilind+Re: Bethlehem

  avenue, Ali Sina, has failed and he is in hell

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Hi Rilind

 

 

 

Welcome to the group.  My name is Brenda from NB Canada.

 

 

 

Brenda

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

-------Original Message-------

 

 

 

From: Rilind Dragoshi via Faith-Talk

 

Date: 2019-12-05 12:26:31 PM

 

To: faith-talk at nfbnet.org

 

Cc: Rilind Dragoshi

 

Subject: [Faith-Talk] Introduction From Rilind+Re: Bethlehem avenue, Ali

Sina, has failed and he is in hell

 

 

 

Hello everyone.

 

My name is Rilind.

 

I didn't know if I should introduce myself here or even comment on this

issue as there are many chalenges associated with publicly coming out in

this topic here, but,life belongs to God, and scripture tells us that this

is life that we may know the one true God and Jesus Christ who he as sent.

For personal reasons, at one point today I had considered messaging a list

moderator and to ask to have it posted but then I knew that our friend

mMustafa, that you might say oh look how they make up stories, and might say

someone made this story up. So I said I'm going to discuss my story to

explain not how good I am, (actually the opposite). But how good God is.

Also, from a list standpoint, I didn't even know that this topic has

relevance to blindness and faith at all. However, I also want to say that I

have been subscribed for a long time, and, I was never sure if I would ever

want to share my testimony here, but then decided that I will. I am 100%

blind, and some of the chalenges are related to blindness. With that in mind

I thought it is okay to share here.

 

I don't want to go in to long detail about myself because of this topic but,

I will say for sure that I live in Canada, born in Kosovo, speak Albanian

English and some French, and, although noone is perfect, I have, from 2013

accepted Jesus Christ as my Lord and savior. Baptism someday too hopefully.

 

About myself I'll say: I finished my Psychology degree, I do call centre

work as well as English practicing work. I like walks, music, and family, as

well as travel.

 

My personal struggles in life now include anger that I am single, not being

able to go to Church due to my situation; arguing too much with people who

don't respect my beliefs such as my parents.

 

Yes my friend, according to Islam, I may be going to Hell and if it's true

then I would have to. Something else is if I don't repent and I continue in

being upset and angry and things Paul says, I could go to Hell too. We have

verses in the Bible about people who continue in certain sins not entering

the kingdom of God. But, I believe that God himself came in the person of

Jesus Christ, that he lived a perfect life, that the Isaiah 51 chapter is

about him, and that just as Stephen saw, he is now at the right hand of God,

and just as Revelation says, that the same will be in his family who conquer

and overcome. I am not a universalist, but even in the harshest times of

judgement, the Bible says everyone who calls on the name of the lord shall

be saved, and also Paul talks about that every knee will bough and every

tongue confess. I believing in the living faith, I used to think too, that

Christianity meant just you're saved no matter what you do, but I know now

that salvation is through faith, but faith without works is dead, so we aren

t saved if we do certain works, but that faith in itself means that specific

things will be the fruit of that faith.

 

Since this is about beliefs, I'm going to share my testimony to show people

here that it's not all about hate that people chose Jesus, but about love of

the truth.

 

It's a long story so please bare with me.

 

 

 

My tesstimony, now that is an interesting story in itself that I will try to

explain.

 

It is a long story.

 

So I had my regular universalist beliefs and Islam.

 

I grew up initially secular Muslim, then at age 10 I would ask my

grandfather about God, and then at age 13 I read the Bible, then soon after,

the Quran. From an Islam-based perspective, I would read Harun Yahya a lot,

and read the Quran at age 13. I have a great family but as I am blind, I

wasn't able to visit any places of worship as often as my family didn't want

me to be involved in worship they would say it's better to stay at home.

 

When I started at Crandall University I would help with the prison ministry

program there and go to the senior's home as well, to Briarlea. We would go

on Fridays to sing hymns, play bingo, and I found out, once a month that we

d be doing communion. I didn't mind at all doing the visits it wasn't

required or anything I just knew from previous experience and Ronald

Weinland and other folks, I knew that ministry meant service, so I wanted to

help out even though i wasn't Christian. I loved it. Now when we were

getting closer to the end of the month and when it was time for Communion

week coming by, I realised that I probably didn't think I should go. I

thought okay, if I don't go it will be random I don't want to just all of a

sudden say I'm busy just on that one week when there's communion but, if I

go I thought then I would feel out of place in the sense that I'd feel

disrespectful if I'm there and not taking communion. So what I did, I sent a

message to my professor that did the ministry program and told him about my

situation. I explained to him I definitely always enjoy coming and all the

activities but that I wasn't sure if I should come since I'm not able to

take communion given A that I didn't feel it was right since not baptized

and B where I was also more Muslim and also Universalist. I told him I

wanted to come but thought I shouldn't since I didn't want to be

disrespectful. He said I could come and that it's completely okay since

people don't expect people to take communion if they don't.

 

So next week I just went and that was fine. Before I went (I usually was

there early since I'd wait after my stats class that ended around 11:30

until we left around 1 or whatever time it was, can't remember the time. But

  the professor was there earlier and he said oh we have 15 minutes or so.
He

then played a video for me one was from Francis Chan and the other one was

from John Piper, now one of them there it talked about God and about the

sacrifice of Christ etc., and at one point it said "he had to die because a

crime was committed". For the first time, I learned why the sacrifice was

believed. As a non-Christian at the time and before, my trouble was never

with whether God would send his son or sacrifice etc., it was more, that he

wouldn't need to. However, I realised after that that there is a God who

both is just and merciful, wanting to forgive, but also that couldn't

without the penalty being payed, wouldn't, without the penalty being payed.

 

At this point I didn't know what to do with this information.

 

Something key is when Muslim (even if secular even if more bookworm than

practicing), you don't ever think okay I want to switch. At that time though

I thought hey if I accept Christ, I will be forgiven of all sins and I will

be living the life with God but being able to repent instead of having the

punishments in this world and the hereafter in the way that the Quran

explained. So, I had a formula for repentence and forgiveness. Now there was

very clearly the problem that I also couldn't just leave because I knew in

the Quran that A In the Quran those who believe in God and do good deeds

went to heaven, and B that there are clear verses there that if someone

accepts something other than Muslim, it says God will never accept it and

that in the next life you're going to be a loser. I didn't know if it meant

Hell, but, I didn't want to become a loser either. Thus, there was a dilemma

I had. At the time, I felt that the only solution to both be forgiven as

well as to also make sure I don't become a loser or go to Hell was to be

both a Christian and a Muslim. I didn't even know how to do this so I went

on Google of all places to type in how to be both a Christian and a Muslim.

I found many pages, and of course, most pages were about how you can't. I

didn't want that though sso I kept looking. Later I found a website called

messianicmuslims.com that's not even there anymore for some reason, but, in

it talks about essentially a number of things about how I could do that.

 

It talked about the fact that the Quran didn't say the scriptures were

corrupt but just how they were explained. It talked about how the Quran when

it said that Jesus wasn't his son it was saying more because not literally.

It went on to say when it says the Jews didn't kill him it was because the

Romans actually made the order, etc. So in this article I realised that I

could accept him as my king, and from that point I was more Christian Muslim

 

 

I didn't have a church, e etc, just read both. Now later on I found a house

church and I felt I could be accepted since it was the gospel but accepting

everyone. My professor I had asked him about it when I saw it and he said he

was going to speak there that week, so, I went with him that week. It was a

great community that did downtown ministry and other activities together,

prayer and fellowship hangout etc., and I enjoyed the visit.

 

I couldn't go very often though and still don't go to any of the church

meetings  often because my family doesn't like that I want to b Christian,

many get upset, some say I'd be kicked out of the house if I wasn't blind,

etc., but I then get upset too like I don't go often mostly because I need

to have the right attitude if I'm both going and angry then that isn't being

a good example, but I've continued I'll have coffee sometimes, go for supper

when I can, etc., and sometimes rarely on Wednesdays or something somewhere

for prayer.

 

Now, it was only after that I became Christian fully. It was in early 2016

where God fully told me that in a dream, that the Bible is to be the leading

influence in my life. Then from there I knew that it was important for me to

specifically be Christian.

 

 

 

That's my story.

 

God bless:

 

Rilind.

 

 

 

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   1. Re: Bethlehem avenue, Ali Sina, has failed and he is in hell

 

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   2. Re: Bethlehem avenue, Ali Sina, has failed and he is inhell

 

      (David Moore)

 

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      (BRUCE&JOY BRESLAUER)

 

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      (andrew edgcumbe)

 

 

 

 

 

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Message: 1

 

Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2019 23:21:29 +0200

 

From: Mustafa Almahdy <against.trump2001 at gmail.com>

 

To: faith-talk at nfbnet.org

 

Cc: dotwriter1 at gmail.com, debbiedrylie at gmail.com,

 

  moore at donaldmoore.org, dlgoza at jeffersonbaptist.org,

 

  erickelly at bellsouth.net, rickevans5 at gmail.com, tingram at hbbc.org

 

Subject: Re: [Faith-Talk] Bethlehem avenue, Ali Sina, has failed and

 

  he is in hell

 

Message-ID:

 

  <CADqbXg3ZHQQpRW958R+A_DDH9zpDYfw1wu_HFk8EJei5FrPNWg at mail.gmail.com>

 

Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"

 

 

 

Well obviously, I knew who Lutherans are. The cardinal doctrine of

 

justifying faith alone is not sufficient for me. I don't recall that I

 

have spoken rudely to someone though. I am just asking for some proper

 

equity, as Islam is being brought to discussion or even critique in

 

western media. When doing so, it's constantly subjected to

 

unfavourable judgement. It isn't fair at all, to intently insist to

 

misportray Islam and its tenets through introducing it to the masses

 

by intense haters, unjust viewers. Ali Sina deceives westerns when he

 

tells them, that Islam couldn't cope with modern western fundamentals.

 

Well, this isn't quite precise, critical or even transpicuous. Ali

 

Sina is notoriously dishonest about everything related to Islam.

 

Through eight consecutive centuries, Andalusian          Muslim

 

civilisation has contributed distinctly outstanding breakthroughs to

 

untutored Medieval denizens. So, Islam encourages its embracers to

 

ponder, contribute and explore. Nonetheless, for the past 200 years,

 

Muslims haven't invented anything useful to either themselves or

 

others. Thence, they reached the back of the caravan and became such

 

backward, influenced, defeated and manipulated nation. The Koran told

 

Muslims, that they're the best of people, as long as they enjoin good,

 

forbid evil and believe in God. So, if they failed to fulfill any of

 

these terms, they're then no longer the best of people. One of the

 

main reasons for which I love Islam so much, is the fact that it is

 

the only faith on earth which criticises its own followers if they

 

failed to maintain the competent status of proper religious tenets.

 

Adhereing  certain concepts doesn't guarantee its believing

 

individuals a blank check to heaven. There is no such thing in Islam.

 

Islam advocates for a global vision of substantial reform in all life

 

aspects. Therefore, despite anyone's ethnic affiliation, as long as he

 

is firmly loyal to Islam, he could be the best of and even, at the top

 

of its scholarship. So for instance, despite his enormously extraneous

 

origin, for his uniquely masterpiece in Hadith discipline, imam

 

Bukhari  became the invincible scholar on that regard. Well, he wasn't

 

initially Arab. Nonetheless, he mastered Arabic and produced a

 

wonderful textbook in its eloquent rhetoric. This extraordinary

 

chef-d'oeuvre is broadly considered to be the top of major sunnah

 

references and the most authentic source of Islam after the Koran,

 

known as, (Sahih al-Bukhari). I hope we have a chance to introduce

 

Islam to others as we see it and practice its tenets. I disregard a

 

nasty version of Islam introduced by people like Ali Sina, who is

 

merely a hatemonger, uses defamation of Islam to bootlick westerns and

 

gain dominance among them. Outspokenly, that's a major threat, when

 

working for hate, deceit, denouncement and deliberate denigration

 

instantly becomes an emphatically recognised path to fame in the west.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

On 12/3/19, Ericka via Faith-Talk <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:

 

> Not all Christians are evangelists. I am Lutheran. We are asked not so

much

 

> to shove Bible passages down peoples throats as to live our life according

 

> toChrists? example and teaching. The Bible to me is not something to be

read

 

> literally and taken literally; it is a guidebook. Through the examples of

 

> those who have acted respectfully and not so respectfully we come to see

 

> ourselves in the Scriptures and learn how to handle situations in a way

that

 

> respects all of his creation including the human beings on this earth. We

 

> are not called to be drunken, gluttonous, greedy, arrogant, and so on. If

 

> you look in Galatians for the fruits of the spirit, these are what we are

 

> called to beat others and good suggestions to take care of yourself as

well.

 

> It looks like cell control something you need to work on as I don?t

 

> appreciate the rudeness you treated Adriana.

 

>

 

> God sent Jesus to us to free us from rules in the Old Testament since

 

> apparently people weren?t understanding what God wanted us to act and why.

 

>

 

> Whether you?re Jewish, Islamic or Christian etc. there are people who are

go

 

> to humans and then there are bad ones. Islamic dictator is killing their

own

 

> faithful is not any better than The Crusades. It?s a humanity problem that

 

> we all struggle with so you can?t blame our maker whether it be God as the

 

> Christian and see it, Allah, or the supreme being and so on. We screwup.

 

> Instead of dissecting everything, why don?t we start looking at the common

 

> believes and bond together for a better world we have here too and have it

 

> rather than hurting others, just respecting others and either way not

making

 

> our faiths look respectable.

 

>

 

> Ericka Nelson

 

>

 

>> On Dec 3, 2019, at 11:00 AM, Mustafa Almahdy via Faith-Talk

 

>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:

 

>>

 

>> ?Well, you're in hell as of being such a miserable failure, not able to

 

>> respond to my longly held debating challenge. As for good looking

 

>> women, that's the maximum rate of someone at your disposal. I don't

 

>> know about these things. But I know, that staring at women illicitly

 

>> is strictly prohibited in Islam. Now, as these evangelists who

 

>> cluselessly fend for your plainly hateful attitude may have noticed,

 

>> you're not proselytising  to their faith in any manner. You're just

 

>> spreading hate and deceit about Islam. Nonetheless, that seems to be

 

>> quite sufficient for them to unconsciously endorse you. I think we're

 

>> fully aware as of right now, who is truly detestable, despicable and

 

>> immensely hypocritical. I still want to know, where did you earn the

 

>> 100000$ which you sardonically offered from? Is working for

 

>> Islamophobia and hatefully relevant industries eminently so profitable

 

>> in western culture? As you're currently residing in the region of

 

>> southeastern Europe, I wonder, what are you doing there? As Iranian

 

>> based who has been extremely notorious of intently spreading hate, I

 

>> couldn't unveil the nature of your work. Where does it fill? Ali Sina

 

>> aims to provoke attenuated Muslims until they ultimately apostate. Be

 

>> that as it may, he doesn't care about what do they embrace afterward.

 

>> Is he promoting western secularism? I wonder if he perhaps could

 

>> illustrate onto that. He says before that he is not an evangelist.

 

>> Fine, what is he then? As to the faith talk folks, well, someone there

 

>> has just told me, that I was demanded not to post to the list anymore.

 

>> Well, excuse me but, this request clearly contradicts with an explicit

 

>> statement that belongs to the list's essential guidelines. On your

 

>> main info page, it says, "Persons of all faiths are welcome. Feel free

 

>> to post, and have fun!". That what does it state there, very clearly.

 

>> You can go to the list's info page and verify this claim. So, you may

 

>> either remove the above statement and replace it with a statement that

 

>> informs all viewers, that this list is exclusively restricted to

 

>> Christian conversation and relevantly affiliated blindness interests.

 

>> Or, you may say, that each and everyone that is not believing

 

>> Christian is welcome to post except Muslims. We don't want them here

 

>> anymore. I bet you couldn't post such thing on your main page because

 

>> you will plainly violate allegedly embraced tenets of multiculturalism

 

>> and coexistence. No no, sure you could. Hasn't Trump, master of peace

 

>> and tolerance insistently declared such kind remarks about Muslims in

 

>> the States and other minorities? What happened when I posted to the

 

>> faith talk list stuff that may not necessarily concur with their

 

>> beliefs or convictions as of religious and political orientation?

 

>> Well, they immediately banned me from posting to the list. In other

 

>> words, forcefully unsubscribed me. Well, if I will anyway be

 

>> ostracised because of my religious and political opinion, what is then

 

>> the proper use of the following statement? As quoted above, it says on

 

>> your main info page, "persons of all faiths are welcome." So, it's

 

>> either I am welcome or not welcome. I wonder if it could be both? It

 

>> could be, as long as I speak against my own religion to please

 

>> Americans, lords of the world. I unfortunately couldn't cope with such

 

>> demand. So, I hope the temperament of the list's owners is clarified a

 

>> bit. As for Ali Sina, good luck at your glorious journey of courting

 

>> gorgeous women.

 

>>

 

>>

 

>>

 

>>> On 12/2/19, FFI <faithfreedom2 at gmail.com> wrote:

 

>>> I am in Ukraine, If this is hell it is too cold this time of the year.

 

>>> But

 

>>> the women here are actually very very beautiful.  Nice hell.

 

>>>

 

>>> On Fri, Nov 29, 2019 at 9:45 PM Mustafa Almahdy

 

>>> <against.trump2001 at gmail.com>

 

>>> wrote:

 

>>>

 

>>>> For nearly three successive months, I have been persistently

 

>>>> challenging Ali Sina to enter in a debate with me about the filth that

 

>>>> he presumptuously writes about Islam. He obstinately calls the

 

>>>> lasciviously based soliloquy of his own sickened prejudice worthwhile

 

>>>> critique. He thence is afraid of venturing into this altercating

 

>>>> field, so he may not lose his averred credibility among disinformed

 

>>>> audience. He runs a vicious website entitled Ali Sina dot org. At its

 

>>>> inception he writes, everything you need to know about Islam. He

 

>>>> should have actually written, everything I intently lie to you about

 

>>>> Islam. He unfortunately takes advantage of people's ignorance. He

 

>>>> deliberately misleads his indoctrinated viewers. On his detestable

 

>>>> website, he often writes about arbitrarily anonymous mortals who are

 

>>>> allegedly Muslims. Therein, they have supposedly sought his eminent

 

>>>> advice which has led to their ultimate apostasy. He evades conversing

 

>>>> with me because I massively resemble a major threat to his reputation.

 

>>>> I discredited his character and have posed decisive rebuttals to his

 

>>>> truthiness. First off, why couldn't he release his accredited

 

>>>> credentials or whatever that might be? Second, does he know Arabic? I

 

>>>> previously demanded him to compose a basic sentence in Arabic, but he

 

>>>> just couldn't. Third, in his recent message to me, he asked me to

 

>>>> bring him someone to debate with, and he proposed to pay us 100000$,

 

>>>> arranged half to half, between me and the one that I will bring. My

 

>>>> question here is, why couldn't you just debate me for free? And, where

 

>>>> did you get all this money from? Is working in the field of

 

>>>> Islamophobia that profitable in the west? I hope he bravely answers

 

>>>> any of these critical questions. Now, to those who purposely harbour

 

>>>> such fugitives  and hatemongers, you must plainly fathom, that the

 

>>>> current situation won't ever be infinite in any manner. I one day

 

>>>> shall catch this Ali Sina and will then coerce him into direct

 

>>>> engagement, whereas people as of Muslims and others alike can

 

>>>> certainly see and judge. I genuinely believe that attainting this

 

>>>> person's competency is much worse than actually putting him to death.

 

>>>> If you're truly a man, you may then accept debating me. As of right

 

>>>> now, he cowardly hides like a nasty mous. He is absolutely terrified

 

>>>> of being caught and exposed. Had he been confident of himself, he

 

>>>> would have then accepted my longly suspended debating proposal. His

 

>>>> financial offer etc is just an enact to deride and avoid any potential

 

>>>> confrontation. I, however, won't ever leave him on his own. Even if he

 

>>>> hides below the seventh ground, I will chase him. I will keep beating

 

>>>> him up until he is wholly destroyed. I knew where do you currently

 

>>>> reside in Europe. We're going to meet soon, so watch out, son of

 

>>>> Sina.,

 

>>>>

 

>>>

 

>>>

 

>>> --

 

>>> alisina.org <http://www.alisina.org>

 

>>> faithfreedom.org <http://www.faithfreedom.org>

 

>>>

 

>>

 

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Message: 2

 

Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2019 18:01:08 -0500

 

From: David Moore <jesusloves1966 at gmail.com>

 

To: "Faith-talk, for the discussion of Blindness in faith and

 

  religion" <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>

 

Subject: Re: [Faith-Talk] Bethlehem avenue, Ali Sina, has failed and

 

  he is inhell

 

Message-ID: <5de83ab5.1c69fb81.a0f4d.32fa at mx.google.com>

 

Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

 

 

 

Jesus said that he was God, and he proved it by rising from the dead!

 

Did Mohamad rise from the dead?

 

Also, Jesus said, ?I am the way, the truth, and the life!

 

Nobody can come to the Father except by me!

 

Also in Acts chapter 4, it says this!

 

Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under Heaven

given to men, by which they must be saved!

 

I believe that throws out Islam and all religion to get one to Heaven!

 

Jesus is not a religion!

 

He sacrificed his own self for all sin for all time!

 

What about the verse that says,

 

?we are saved by grace, not by works, so that no man can boast before God!

 

If you throw in works, just how many works do you have to do to enter

Heaven?

 

Jesus?s blood he shed for us, forgives all sin for all time as soon as we

call out to him, repent, to want to change and follow Jesus, Confess Jesus

as God, and be baptized for the remission of our sins!

 

After that, only we can kick God out our lives, by not wanting God leading

us anymore!

 

We, at that time, forefoot our salvation, we do not lose it without knowing

it! If works are needed, why did Jesus have to go to the cross at all, and

be separated from his Father, because my personal sin was put upon on him,

and he paid the full debt for us all!

 

That is what the Word of God says, and that is all that matters!

 

Every word in the Bible, is God breathed, and when you read the Bible, you

are reading the living words of God!

 

God is speaking to you through his perfect Word!

 

I am saddened for you, and all people who believe that the Words of God

himself are just a guide for our life!

 

I have so much joy and peace by standing on the only words of God that we

will hear in this life!

 

Take care, all!

 

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

 

 

From: Mustafa Almahdy via Faith-Talk

 

Sent: Wednesday, December 4, 2019 4:22 PM

 

To: faith-talk at nfbnet.org

 

Cc: Mustafa Almahdy; rickevans5 at gmail.com; tingram at hbbc.org;

debbiedrylie at gmail.com; moore at donaldmoore.org; erickelly at bellsouth.net;

dlgoza at jeffersonbaptist.org

 

Subject: Re: [Faith-Talk] Bethlehem avenue, Ali Sina, has failed and he is

inhell

 

 

 

Well obviously, I knew who Lutherans are. The cardinal doctrine of

 

justifying faith alone is not sufficient for me. I don't recall that I

 

have spoken rudely to someone though. I am just asking for some proper

 

equity, as Islam is being brought to discussion or even critique in

 

western media. When doing so, it's constantly subjected to

 

unfavourable judgement. It isn't fair at all, to intently insist to

 

misportray Islam and its tenets through introducing it to the masses

 

by intense haters, unjust viewers. Ali Sina deceives westerns when he

 

tells them, that Islam couldn't cope with modern western fundamentals.

 

Well, this isn't quite precise, critical or even transpicuous. Ali

 

Sina is notoriously dishonest about everything related to Islam.

 

Through eight consecutive centuries, Andalusian          Muslim

 

civilisation has contributed distinctly outstanding breakthroughs to

 

untutored Medieval denizens. So, Islam encourages its embracers to

 

ponder, contribute and explore. Nonetheless, for the past 200 years,

 

Muslims haven't invented anything useful to either themselves or

 

others. Thence, they reached the back of the caravan and became such

 

backward, influenced, defeated and manipulated nation. The Koran told

 

Muslims, that they're the best of people, as long as they enjoin good,

 

forbid evil and believe in God. So, if they failed to fulfill any of

 

these terms, they're then no longer the best of people. One of the

 

main reasons for which I love Islam so much, is the fact that it is

 

the only faith on earth which criticises its own followers if they

 

failed to maintain the competent status of proper religious tenets.

 

Adhereing  certain concepts doesn't guarantee its believing

 

individuals a blank check to heaven. There is no such thing in Islam.

 

Islam advocates for a global vision of substantial reform in all life

 

aspects. Therefore, despite anyone's ethnic affiliation, as long as he

 

is firmly loyal to Islam, he could be the best of and even, at the top

 

of its scholarship. So for instance, despite his enormously extraneous

 

origin, for his uniquely masterpiece in Hadith discipline, imam

 

Bukhari  became the invincible scholar on that regard. Well, he wasn't

 

initially Arab. Nonetheless, he mastered Arabic and produced a

 

wonderful textbook in its eloquent rhetoric. This extraordinary

 

chef-d'oeuvre is broadly considered to be the top of major sunnah

 

references and the most authentic source of Islam after the Koran,

 

known as, (Sahih al-Bukhari). I hope we have a chance to introduce

 

Islam to others as we see it and practice its tenets. I disregard a

 

nasty version of Islam introduced by people like Ali Sina, who is

 

merely a hatemonger, uses defamation of Islam to bootlick westerns and

 

gain dominance among them. Outspokenly, that's a major threat, when

 

working for hate, deceit, denouncement and deliberate denigration

 

instantly becomes an emphatically recognised path to fame in the west.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

On 12/3/19, Ericka via Faith-Talk <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:

 

> Not all Christians are evangelists. I am Lutheran. We are asked not so

much

 

> to shove Bible passages down peoples throats as to live our life according

 

> toChrists? example and teaching. The Bible to me is not something to be

read

 

> literally and taken literally; it is a guidebook. Through the examples of

 

> those who have acted respectfully and not so respectfully we come to see

 

> ourselves in the Scriptures and learn how to handle situations in a way

that

 

> respects all of his creation including the human beings on this earth. We

 

> are not called to be drunken, gluttonous, greedy, arrogant, and so on. If

 

> you look in Galatians for the fruits of the spirit, these are what we are

 

> called to beat others and good suggestions to take care of yourself as

well.

 

> It looks like cell control something you need to work on as I don?t

 

> appreciate the rudeness you treated Adriana.

 

>

 

> God sent Jesus to us to free us from rules in the Old Testament since

 

> apparently people weren?t understanding what God wanted us to act and why.

 

>

 

> Whether you?re Jewish, Islamic or Christian etc. there are people who are

go

 

> to humans and then there are bad ones. Islamic dictator is killing their

own

 

> faithful is not any better than The Crusades. It?s a humanity problem that

 

> we all struggle with so you can?t blame our maker whether it be God as the

 

> Christian and see it, Allah, or the supreme being and so on. We screwup.

 

> Instead of dissecting everything, why don?t we start looking at the common

 

> believes and bond together for a better world we have here too and have it

 

> rather than hurting others, just respecting others and either way not

making

 

> our faiths look respectable.

 

>

 

> Ericka Nelson

 

>

 

>> On Dec 3, 2019, at 11:00 AM, Mustafa Almahdy via Faith-Talk

 

>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:

 

>>

 

>> ?Well, you're in hell as of being such a miserable failure, not able to

 

>> respond to my longly held debating challenge. As for good looking

 

>> women, that's the maximum rate of someone at your disposal. I don't

 

>> know about these things. But I know, that staring at women illicitly

 

>> is strictly prohibited in Islam. Now, as these evangelists who

 

>> cluselessly fend for your plainly hateful attitude may have noticed,

 

>> you're not proselytising  to their faith in any manner. You're just

 

>> spreading hate and deceit about Islam. Nonetheless, that seems to be

 

>> quite sufficient for them to unconsciously endorse you. I think we're

 

>> fully aware as of right now, who is truly detestable, despicable and

 

>> immensely hypocritical. I still want to know, where did you earn the

 

>> 100000$ which you sardonically offered from? Is working for

 

>> Islamophobia and hatefully relevant industries eminently so profitable

 

>> in western culture? As you're currently residing in the region of

 

>> southeastern Europe, I wonder, what are you doing there? As Iranian

 

>> based who has been extremely notorious of intently spreading hate, I

 

>> couldn't unveil the nature of your work. Where does it fill? Ali Sina

 

>> aims to provoke attenuated Muslims until they ultimately apostate. Be

 

>> that as it may, he doesn't care about what do they embrace afterward.

 

>> Is he promoting western secularism? I wonder if he perhaps could

 

>> illustrate onto that. He says before that he is not an evangelist.

 

>> Fine, what is he then? As to the faith talk folks, well, someone there

 

>> has just told me, that I was demanded not to post to the list anymore.

 

>> Well, excuse me but, this request clearly contradicts with an explicit

 

>> statement that belongs to the list's essential guidelines. On your

 

>> main info page, it says, "Persons of all faiths are welcome. Feel free

 

>> to post, and have fun!". That what does it state there, very clearly.

 

>> You can go to the list's info page and verify this claim. So, you may

 

>> either remove the above statement and replace it with a statement that

 

>> informs all viewers, that this list is exclusively restricted to

 

>> Christian conversation and relevantly affiliated blindness interests.

 

>> Or, you may say, that each and everyone that is not believing

 

>> Christian is welcome to post except Muslims. We don't want them here

 

>> anymore. I bet you couldn't post such thing on your main page because

 

>> you will plainly violate allegedly embraced tenets of multiculturalism

 

>> and coexistence. No no, sure you could. Hasn't Trump, master of peace

 

>> and tolerance insistently declared such kind remarks about Muslims in

 

>> the States and other minorities? What happened when I posted to the

 

>> faith talk list stuff that may not necessarily concur with their

 

>> beliefs or convictions as of religious and political orientation?

 

>> Well, they immediately banned me from posting to the list. In other

 

>> words, forcefully unsubscribed me. Well, if I will anyway be

 

>> ostracised because of my religious and political opinion, what is then

 

>> the proper use of the following statement? As quoted above, it says on

 

>> your main info page, "persons of all faiths are welcome." So, it's

 

>> either I am welcome or not welcome. I wonder if it could be both? It

 

>> could be, as long as I speak against my own religion to please

 

>> Americans, lords of the world. I unfortunately couldn't cope with such

 

>> demand. So, I hope the temperament of the list's owners is clarified a

 

>> bit. As for Ali Sina, good luck at your glorious journey of courting

 

>> gorgeous women.

 

>>

 

>>

 

>>

 

>>> On 12/2/19, FFI <faithfreedom2 at gmail.com> wrote:

 

>>> I am in Ukraine, If this is hell it is too cold this time of the year.

 

>>> But

 

>>> the women here are actually very very beautiful.  Nice hell.

 

>>>

 

>>> On Fri, Nov 29, 2019 at 9:45 PM Mustafa Almahdy

 

>>> <against.trump2001 at gmail.com>

 

>>> wrote:

 

>>>

 

>>>> For nearly three successive months, I have been persistently

 

>>>> challenging Ali Sina to enter in a debate with me about the filth that

 

>>>> he presumptuously writes about Islam. He obstinately calls the

 

>>>> lasciviously based soliloquy of his own sickened prejudice worthwhile

 

>>>> critique. He thence is afraid of venturing into this altercating

 

>>>> field, so he may not lose his averred credibility among disinformed

 

>>>> audience. He runs a vicious website entitled Ali Sina dot org. At its

 

>>>> inception he writes, everything you need to know about Islam. He

 

>>>> should have actually written, everything I intently lie to you about

 

>>>> Islam. He unfortunately takes advantage of people's ignorance. He

 

>>>> deliberately misleads his indoctrinated viewers. On his detestable

 

>>>> website, he often writes about arbitrarily anonymous mortals who are

 

>>>> allegedly Muslims. Therein, they have supposedly sought his eminent

 

>>>> advice which has led to their ultimate apostasy. He evades conversing

 

>>>> with me because I massively resemble a major threat to his reputation.

 

>>>> I discredited his character and have posed decisive rebuttals to his

 

>>>> truthiness. First off, why couldn't he release his accredited

 

>>>> credentials or whatever that might be? Second, does he know Arabic? I

 

>>>> previously demanded him to compose a basic sentence in Arabic, but he

 

>>>> just couldn't. Third, in his recent message to me, he asked me to

 

>>>> bring him someone to debate with, and he proposed to pay us 100000$,

 

>>>> arranged half to half, between me and the one that I will bring. My

 

>>>> question here is, why couldn't you just debate me for free? And, where

 

>>>> did you get all this money from? Is working in the field of

 

>>>> Islamophobia that profitable in the west? I hope he bravely answers

 

>>>> any of these critical questions. Now, to those who purposely harbour

 

>>>> such fugitives  and hatemongers, you must plainly fathom, that the

 

>>>> current situation won't ever be infinite in any manner. I one day

 

>>>> shall catch this Ali Sina and will then coerce him into direct

 

>>>> engagement, whereas people as of Muslims and others alike can

 

>>>> certainly see and judge. I genuinely believe that attainting this

 

>>>> person's competency is much worse than actually putting him to death.

 

>>>> If you're truly a man, you may then accept debating me. As of right

 

>>>> now, he cowardly hides like a nasty mous. He is absolutely terrified

 

>>>> of being caught and exposed. Had he been confident of himself, he

 

>>>> would have then accepted my longly suspended debating proposal. His

 

>>>> financial offer etc is just an enact to deride and avoid any potential

 

>>>> confrontation. I, however, won't ever leave him on his own. Even if he

 

>>>> hides below the seventh ground, I will chase him. I will keep beating

 

>>>> him up until he is wholly destroyed. I knew where do you currently

 

>>>> reside in Europe. We're going to meet soon, so watch out, son of

 

>>>> Sina.,

 

>>>>

 

>>>

 

>>>

 

>>> --

 

>>> alisina.org <http://www.alisina.org>

 

>>> faithfreedom.org <http://www.faithfreedom.org>

 

>>>

 

>>

 

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Message: 3

 

Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2019 18:22:38 -0700

 

From: "BRUCE&JOY BRESLAUER" <breslauerj at gmail.com>

 

To: "'Faith-talk, for the discussion of Blindness in faith and

 

  religion'" <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>

 

Subject: Re: [Faith-Talk] Bethlehem avenue, Ali Sina, has failed and

 

  he is in hell

 

Message-ID: <00a501d5ab0a$7bbe2820$733a7860$@gmail.com>

 

 

 

Mustafa,

 

 

 

I will say what I have to say, and then I will not engage with you further.

 

 

 

We are not the Western media.  We are a group of blind people here to

discuss

 

how blindness affects our lives as religious participants.  Sometimes the

 

discussion does stray into religious beliefs, but we are not here to bash

one

 

another or to put one another down.  Many of us on this list are Christians,

 

but the purpose of this list is not to debate religion.  We are not here to

 

spread hatred or vitriol.  This is not the list to discuss your opinion of

 

someone else's beliefs.  If you were truly interested in discussing religion

 

calmly and rationally, that might be one thing.  We believe what we believe

and

 

you believe what you believe, and we will never agree.  You believe that

what

 

you believe is correct, and so do we.  So do adherents of every religion or

 

nonreligion.  We can't all be right.  Two opposing views cannot both be true

 

 

The Bible says that Jesus said, "before Abraham was, I am," so he predates

 

Mohammed and everyone else.  (John 8:58.)  There is nothing to debate.  I

would

 

rather go through my life and die believing what I believe.  If I am wrong,

 

then I lose everything.  If I am right, then I gain everything.  I will

gladly

 

take the risk.  What about you?

 

 

 

I'm sure you know that there are Christians and then there are Christians,

just

 

like there are Moslems and Moslems.  Some are strident and hateful, some are

 

not.  We are all learning and striving to be better, especially if we live a

 

life of prayer and contemplation, read the Scriptures, and exhibit the

fruits

 

of the Spirit to others: love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness,

 

faithfulness, gentleness, and self-control. (Galatians 5: 22-23.)  These are

 

not things I can conjure up on my own; they are the result of living the

life

 

of a connected branch.  (John 15:5.) Without being connected to that

 

life-giving vine, I can do nothing.  I do not have the right to be

judgmental,

 

but I do have the right to be a fruit inspector. (Matthew 7:15-20.)  What I

see

 

is not a matter of my opinion; it is self-evident.  That is something you

and

 

Allah will have to come to terms with at some point.

 

 

 

Many awful things have been done in the name of religion, every religion.

That

 

is not an excuse, it is a fact.

 

 

 

Jesus willingly gave up His deity to come to earth as a man, to live among

us

 

for a time, to be crucified for our sins, and to rise from the dead

victorious

 

over sin and death.  He had to do it because no one else could.  No one else

is

 

pure enough, only God.  No one else is sinless--not you, not me, not

Mohammed.

 

Mohammed did not rise from the dead to eternal life.  Jesus did.  He said He

 

would, and  that is why He came.  The tomb was sealed and guarded to prevent

 

His getting out, and no one could believe it when He actually did.  Women

 

spread the news, which was contrary to the culture of the day.  This is all

 

fact, not conjecture.  He appeared to many people afterwards, hundreds at a

 

time, so they couldn't continue with the conspiracy theories that maybe

 

somebody stole the body.  The tomb was empty and the burial clothes were

still

 

there, wrapped up like a body was still in them.  People saw Him, complete

with

 

the nail prints in His hands and feet and the wound in His side.  They wrote

 

down what they saw.  God's foolishness is wiser than man's wisdom.  (1

 

Corinthians 1:25.)

 

 

 

So the bottom line is, what will you do with this Jesus?  Either He is who

He

 

says He is, or he is a liar, or he is crazy.  If you truly search the

 

Scriptures with an open mind and heart, you will find out which is true.

 

 

 

Joy

 

-----Original Message-----

 

From: Faith-Talk <faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Mustafa

Almahdy

 

via Faith-Talk

 

Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2019 2:21 PM

 

To: faith-talk at nfbnet.org

 

Cc: Mustafa Almahdy <against.trump2001 at gmail.com>; rickevans5 at gmail.com;

 

tingram at hbbc.org; debbiedrylie at gmail.com; moore at donaldmoore.org;

 

erickelly at bellsouth.net; dlgoza at jeffersonbaptist.org

 

Subject: Re: [Faith-Talk] Bethlehem avenue, Ali Sina, has failed and he is

in

 

hell

 

 

 

Well obviously, I knew who Lutherans are. The cardinal doctrine of

justifying

 

faith alone is not sufficient for me. I don't recall that I have spoken

rudely

 

to someone though. I am just asking for some proper equity, as Islam is

being

 

brought to discussion or even critique in western media. When doing so, it's

 

constantly subjected to unfavourable judgement. It isn't fair at all, to

 

intently insist to misportray Islam and its tenets through introducing it to

 

the masses by intense haters, unjust viewers. Ali Sina deceives westerns

when

 

he tells them, that Islam couldn't cope with modern western fundamentals.

 

Well, this isn't quite precise, critical or even transpicuous. Ali Sina is

 

notoriously dishonest about everything related to Islam.

 

Through eight consecutive centuries, Andalusian          Muslim

 

civilisation has contributed distinctly outstanding breakthroughs to

untutored

 

Medieval denizens. So, Islam encourages its embracers to ponder, contribute

and

 

explore. Nonetheless, for the past 200 years, Muslims haven't invented

anything

 

useful to either themselves or others. Thence, they reached the back of the

 

caravan and became such backward, influenced, defeated and manipulated

nation.

 

The Koran told Muslims, that they're the best of people, as long as they

enjoin

 

good, forbid evil and believe in God. So, if they failed to fulfill any of

 

these terms, they're then no longer the best of people. One of the main

reasons

 

for which I love Islam so much, is the fact that it is the only faith on

earth

 

which criticises its own followers if they failed to maintain the competent

 

status of proper religious tenets.

 

Adhereing  certain concepts doesn't guarantee its believing individuals a

blank

 

check to heaven. There is no such thing in Islam.

 

Islam advocates for a global vision of substantial reform in all life

aspects.

 

Therefore, despite anyone's ethnic affiliation, as long as he is firmly

loyal

 

to Islam, he could be the best of and even, at the top of its scholarship.

So

 

for instance, despite his enormously extraneous origin, for his uniquely

 

masterpiece in Hadith discipline, imam Bukhari  became the invincible

scholar

 

on that regard. Well, he wasn't initially Arab. Nonetheless, he mastered

Arabic

 

and produced a wonderful textbook in its eloquent rhetoric. This

extraordinary

 

chef-d'oeuvre is broadly considered to be the top of major sunnah references

 

and the most authentic source of Islam after the Koran, known as, (Sahih

 

al-Bukhari). I hope we have a chance to introduce Islam to others as we see

it

 

and practice its tenets. I disregard a nasty version of Islam introduced by

 

people like Ali Sina, who is merely a hatemonger, uses defamation of Islam

to

 

bootlick westerns and gain dominance among them. Outspokenly, that's a major

 

threat, when working for hate, deceit, denouncement and deliberate

denigration

 

instantly becomes an emphatically recognised path to fame in the west.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

On 12/3/19, Ericka via Faith-Talk <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:

 

> Not all Christians are evangelists. I am Lutheran. We are asked not so

 

> much to shove Bible passages down peoples throats as to live our life

 

> according toChrists' example and teaching. The Bible to me is not

 

> something to be read literally and taken literally; it is a guidebook.

 

> Through the examples of those who have acted respectfully and not so

 

> respectfully we come to see ourselves in the Scriptures and learn how

 

> to handle situations in a way that respects all of his creation

 

> including the human beings on this earth. We are not called to be

 

> drunken, gluttonous, greedy, arrogant, and so on. If you look in

 

> Galatians for the fruits of the spirit, these are what we are called to

beat

 

> others and good suggestions to take care of yourself as well.

 

> It looks like cell control something you need to work on as I don't

 

> appreciate the rudeness you treated Adriana.

 

>

 

> God sent Jesus to us to free us from rules in the Old Testament since

 

> apparently people weren't understanding what God wanted us to act and why.

 

>

 

> Whether you're Jewish, Islamic or Christian etc. there are people who

 

> are go to humans and then there are bad ones. Islamic dictator is

 

> killing their own faithful is not any better than The Crusades. It's a

 

> humanity problem that we all struggle with so you can't blame our

 

> maker whether it be God as the Christian and see it, Allah, or the supreme

 

> being and so on. We screwup.

 

> Instead of dissecting everything, why don't we start looking at the

 

> common believes and bond together for a better world we have here too

 

> and have it rather than hurting others, just respecting others and

 

> either way not making our faiths look respectable.

 

>

 

> Ericka Nelson

 

>

 

>> On Dec 3, 2019, at 11:00 AM, Mustafa Almahdy via Faith-Talk

 

>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:

 

>>

 

>> ?Well, you're in hell as of being such a miserable failure, not able

 

>> to respond to my longly held debating challenge. As for good looking

 

>> women, that's the maximum rate of someone at your disposal. I don't

 

>> know about these things. But I know, that staring at women illicitly

 

>> is strictly prohibited in Islam. Now, as these evangelists who

 

>> cluselessly fend for your plainly hateful attitude may have noticed,

 

>> you're not proselytising  to their faith in any manner. You're just

 

>> spreading hate and deceit about Islam. Nonetheless, that seems to be

 

>> quite sufficient for them to unconsciously endorse you. I think we're

 

>> fully aware as of right now, who is truly detestable, despicable and

 

>> immensely hypocritical. I still want to know, where did you earn the

 

>> 100000$ which you sardonically offered from? Is working for

 

>> Islamophobia and hatefully relevant industries eminently so

 

>> profitable in western culture? As you're currently residing in the

 

>> region of southeastern Europe, I wonder, what are you doing there? As

 

>> Iranian based who has been extremely notorious of intently spreading

 

>> hate, I couldn't unveil the nature of your work. Where does it fill?

 

>> Ali Sina aims to provoke attenuated Muslims until they ultimately

 

>> apostate. Be that as it may, he doesn't care about what do they embrace

 

>> afterward.

 

>> Is he promoting western secularism? I wonder if he perhaps could

 

>> illustrate onto that. He says before that he is not an evangelist.

 

>> Fine, what is he then? As to the faith talk folks, well, someone

 

>> there has just told me, that I was demanded not to post to the list

anymore.

 

>> Well, excuse me but, this request clearly contradicts with an

 

>> explicit statement that belongs to the list's essential guidelines.

 

>> On your main info page, it says, "Persons of all faiths are welcome.

 

>> Feel free to post, and have fun!". That what does it state there, very

 

>> clearly.

 

>> You can go to the list's info page and verify this claim. So, you may

 

>> either remove the above statement and replace it with a statement

 

>> that informs all viewers, that this list is exclusively restricted to

 

>> Christian conversation and relevantly affiliated blindness interests.

 

>> Or, you may say, that each and everyone that is not believing

 

>> Christian is welcome to post except Muslims. We don't want them here

 

>> anymore. I bet you couldn't post such thing on your main page because

 

>> you will plainly violate allegedly embraced tenets of

 

>> multiculturalism and coexistence. No no, sure you could. Hasn't

 

>> Trump, master of peace and tolerance insistently declared such kind

 

>> remarks about Muslims in the States and other minorities? What

 

>> happened when I posted to the faith talk list stuff that may not

 

>> necessarily concur with their beliefs or convictions as of religious and

 

>> political orientation?

 

>> Well, they immediately banned me from posting to the list. In other

 

>> words, forcefully unsubscribed me. Well, if I will anyway be

 

>> ostracised because of my religious and political opinion, what is

 

>> then the proper use of the following statement? As quoted above, it

 

>> says on your main info page, "persons of all faiths are welcome." So,

 

>> it's either I am welcome or not welcome. I wonder if it could be

 

>> both? It could be, as long as I speak against my own religion to

 

>> please Americans, lords of the world. I unfortunately couldn't cope

 

>> with such demand. So, I hope the temperament of the list's owners is

 

>> clarified a bit. As for Ali Sina, good luck at your glorious journey

 

>> of courting gorgeous women.

 

>>

 

>>

 

>>

 

>>> On 12/2/19, FFI <faithfreedom2 at gmail.com> wrote:

 

>>> I am in Ukraine, If this is hell it is too cold this time of the year.

 

>>> But

 

>>> the women here are actually very very beautiful.  Nice hell.

 

>>>

 

>>> On Fri, Nov 29, 2019 at 9:45 PM Mustafa Almahdy

 

>>> <against.trump2001 at gmail.com>

 

>>> wrote:

 

>>>

 

>>>> For nearly three successive months, I have been persistently

 

>>>> challenging Ali Sina to enter in a debate with me about the filth

 

>>>> that he presumptuously writes about Islam. He obstinately calls the

 

>>>> lasciviously based soliloquy of his own sickened prejudice

 

>>>> worthwhile critique. He thence is afraid of venturing into this

 

>>>> altercating field, so he may not lose his averred credibility among

 

>>>> disinformed audience. He runs a vicious website entitled Ali Sina

 

>>>> dot org. At its inception he writes, everything you need to know

 

>>>> about Islam. He should have actually written, everything I intently

 

>>>> lie to you about Islam. He unfortunately takes advantage of

 

>>>> people's ignorance. He deliberately misleads his indoctrinated

 

>>>> viewers. On his detestable website, he often writes about

 

>>>> arbitrarily anonymous mortals who are allegedly Muslims. Therein,

 

>>>> they have supposedly sought his eminent advice which has led to

 

>>>> their ultimate apostasy. He evades conversing with me because I

massively

 

>>>> resemble a major threat to his reputation.

 

>>>> I discredited his character and have posed decisive rebuttals to

 

>>>> his truthiness. First off, why couldn't he release his accredited

 

>>>> credentials or whatever that might be? Second, does he know Arabic?

 

>>>> I previously demanded him to compose a basic sentence in Arabic,

 

>>>> but he just couldn't. Third, in his recent message to me, he asked

 

>>>> me to bring him someone to debate with, and he proposed to pay us

 

>>>> 100000$, arranged half to half, between me and the one that I will

 

>>>> bring. My question here is, why couldn't you just debate me for

 

>>>> free? And, where did you get all this money from? Is working in the

 

>>>> field of Islamophobia that profitable in the west? I hope he

 

>>>> bravely answers any of these critical questions. Now, to those who

 

>>>> purposely harbour such fugitives  and hatemongers, you must plainly

 

>>>> fathom, that the current situation won't ever be infinite in any

 

>>>> manner. I one day shall catch this Ali Sina and will then coerce

 

>>>> him into direct engagement, whereas people as of Muslims and others

 

>>>> alike can certainly see and judge. I genuinely believe that

 

>>>> attainting this person's competency is much worse than actually putting

 

>>>> him to death.

 

>>>> If you're truly a man, you may then accept debating me. As of right

 

>>>> now, he cowardly hides like a nasty mous. He is absolutely

 

>>>> terrified of being caught and exposed. Had he been confident of

 

>>>> himself, he would have then accepted my longly suspended debating

 

>>>> proposal. His financial offer etc is just an enact to deride and

 

>>>> avoid any potential confrontation. I, however, won't ever leave him

 

>>>> on his own. Even if he hides below the seventh ground, I will chase

 

>>>> him. I will keep beating him up until he is wholly destroyed. I

 

>>>> knew where do you currently reside in Europe. We're going to meet

 

>>>> soon, so watch out, son of Sina.,

 

>>>>

 

>>>

 

>>>

 

>>> --

 

>>> alisina.org <http://www.alisina.org> faithfreedom.org

 

>>> <http://www.faithfreedom.org>

 

>>>

 

>>

 

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Message: 4

 

Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2019 23:30:18 -0500

 

From: andrew edgcumbe <rollercoasterman86 at gmail.com>

 

To: "Faith-talk, for the discussion of Blindness in faith and

 

  religion" <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>

 

Subject: Re: [Faith-Talk] Bethlehem avenue, Ali Sina, has failed and

 

  he is in hell

 

Message-ID:

 

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Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"

 

 

 

well i agree with Joy. this is not the list to discuss believs i

 

thought this list was here to discuss blindness and issues blind

 

people have within church not beliefs as such.  by looks of it you

 

sent this essage to some of your contacts and included it in  the

 

group within that contact list.  Either Jesus says  is who he says or

 

he is a lyer and we have wasted our time in our churches worshiping a

 

false  God. The thing is this we are not to hate one another nor put

 

people down.

 

 

 

On 12/4/19, BRUCE&JOY BRESLAUER via Faith-Talk <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>

wrote:

 

> Mustafa,

 

>

 

> I will say what I have to say, and then I will not engage with you further

 

 

>

 

> We are not the Western media.  We are a group of blind people here to

 

> discuss

 

> how blindness affects our lives as religious participants.  Sometimes the

 

> discussion does stray into religious beliefs, but we are not here to bash

 

> one

 

> another or to put one another down.  Many of us on this list are

Christians,

 

>

 

> but the purpose of this list is not to debate religion.  We are not here

to

 

>

 

> spread hatred or vitriol.  This is not the list to discuss your opinion of

 

> someone else's beliefs.  If you were truly interested in discussing

religion

 

>

 

> calmly and rationally, that might be one thing.  We believe what we

believe

 

> and

 

> you believe what you believe, and we will never agree.  You believe that

 

> what

 

> you believe is correct, and so do we.  So do adherents of every religion

or

 

>

 

> nonreligion.  We can't all be right.  Two opposing views cannot both be

 

> true.

 

> The Bible says that Jesus said, "before Abraham was, I am," so he predates

 

> Mohammed and everyone else.  (John 8:58.)  There is nothing to debate.  I

 

> would

 

> rather go through my life and die believing what I believe.  If I am wrong

 

 

>

 

> then I lose everything.  If I am right, then I gain everything.  I will

 

> gladly

 

> take the risk.  What about you?

 

>

 

> I'm sure you know that there are Christians and then there are Christians,

 

> just

 

> like there are Moslems and Moslems.  Some are strident and hateful, some

are

 

>

 

> not.  We are all learning and striving to be better, especially if we live

a

 

>

 

> life of prayer and contemplation, read the Scriptures, and exhibit the

 

> fruits

 

> of the Spirit to others: love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness,

 

> faithfulness, gentleness, and self-control. (Galatians 5: 22-23.)  These

are

 

>

 

> not things I can conjure up on my own; they are the result of living the

 

> life

 

> of a connected branch.  (John 15:5.) Without being connected to that

 

> life-giving vine, I can do nothing.  I do not have the right to be

 

> judgmental,

 

> but I do have the right to be a fruit inspector. (Matthew 7:15-20.)  What

I

 

> see

 

> is not a matter of my opinion; it is self-evident.  That is something you

 

> and

 

> Allah will have to come to terms with at some point.

 

>

 

> Many awful things have been done in the name of religion, every religion.

 

> That

 

> is not an excuse, it is a fact.

 

>

 

> Jesus willingly gave up His deity to come to earth as a man, to live among

 

> us

 

> for a time, to be crucified for our sins, and to rise from the dead

 

> victorious

 

> over sin and death.  He had to do it because no one else could.  No one

else

 

> is

 

> pure enough, only God.  No one else is sinless--not you, not me, not

 

> Mohammed.

 

> Mohammed did not rise from the dead to eternal life.  Jesus did.  He said

He

 

>

 

> would, and  that is why He came.  The tomb was sealed and guarded to

prevent

 

>

 

> His getting out, and no one could believe it when He actually did.  Women

 

> spread the news, which was contrary to the culture of the day.  This is

all

 

>

 

> fact, not conjecture.  He appeared to many people afterwards, hundreds at

a

 

>

 

> time, so they couldn't continue with the conspiracy theories that maybe

 

> somebody stole the body.  The tomb was empty and the burial clothes were

 

> still

 

> there, wrapped up like a body was still in them.  People saw Him, complete

 

> with

 

> the nail prints in His hands and feet and the wound in His side.  They

wrote

 

>

 

> down what they saw.  God's foolishness is wiser than man's wisdom.  (1

 

> Corinthians 1:25.)

 

>

 

> So the bottom line is, what will you do with this Jesus?  Either He is who

 

> He

 

> says He is, or he is a liar, or he is crazy.  If you truly search the

 

> Scriptures with an open mind and heart, you will find out which is true.

 

>

 

> Joy

 

> -----Original Message-----

 

> From: Faith-Talk <faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Mustafa

 

> Almahdy

 

> via Faith-Talk

 

> Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2019 2:21 PM

 

> To: faith-talk at nfbnet.org

 

> Cc: Mustafa Almahdy <against.trump2001 at gmail.com>; rickevans5 at gmail.com;

 

> tingram at hbbc.org; debbiedrylie at gmail.com; moore at donaldmoore.org;

 

> erickelly at bellsouth.net; dlgoza at jeffersonbaptist.org

 

> Subject: Re: [Faith-Talk] Bethlehem avenue, Ali Sina, has failed and he is

 

> in

 

> hell

 

>

 

> Well obviously, I knew who Lutherans are. The cardinal doctrine of

 

> justifying

 

> faith alone is not sufficient for me. I don't recall that I have spoken

 

> rudely

 

> to someone though. I am just asking for some proper equity, as Islam is

 

> being

 

> brought to discussion or even critique in western media. When doing so, it

s

 

>

 

> constantly subjected to unfavourable judgement. It isn't fair at all, to

 

> intently insist to misportray Islam and its tenets through introducing it

to

 

>

 

> the masses by intense haters, unjust viewers. Ali Sina deceives westerns

 

> when

 

> he tells them, that Islam couldn't cope with modern western fundamentals.

 

> Well, this isn't quite precise, critical or even transpicuous. Ali Sina is

 

> notoriously dishonest about everything related to Islam.

 

> Through eight consecutive centuries, Andalusian          Muslim

 

> civilisation has contributed distinctly outstanding breakthroughs to

 

> untutored

 

> Medieval denizens. So, Islam encourages its embracers to ponder,

contribute

 

> and

 

> explore. Nonetheless, for the past 200 years, Muslims haven't invented

 

> anything

 

> useful to either themselves or others. Thence, they reached the back of

the

 

>

 

> caravan and became such backward, influenced, defeated and manipulated

 

> nation.

 

> The Koran told Muslims, that they're the best of people, as long as they

 

> enjoin

 

> good, forbid evil and believe in God. So, if they failed to fulfill any of

 

> these terms, they're then no longer the best of people. One of the main

 

> reasons

 

> for which I love Islam so much, is the fact that it is the only faith on

 

> earth

 

> which criticises its own followers if they failed to maintain the

competent

 

>

 

> status of proper religious tenets.

 

> Adhereing  certain concepts doesn't guarantee its believing individuals a

 

> blank

 

> check to heaven. There is no such thing in Islam.

 

> Islam advocates for a global vision of substantial reform in all life

 

> aspects.

 

> Therefore, despite anyone's ethnic affiliation, as long as he is firmly

 

> loyal

 

> to Islam, he could be the best of and even, at the top of its scholarship.

 

> So

 

> for instance, despite his enormously extraneous origin, for his uniquely

 

> masterpiece in Hadith discipline, imam Bukhari  became the invincible

 

> scholar

 

> on that regard. Well, he wasn't initially Arab. Nonetheless, he mastered

 

> Arabic

 

> and produced a wonderful textbook in its eloquent rhetoric. This

 

> extraordinary

 

> chef-d'oeuvre is broadly considered to be the top of major sunnah

references

 

>

 

> and the most authentic source of Islam after the Koran, known as, (Sahih

 

> al-Bukhari). I hope we have a chance to introduce Islam to others as we

see

 

> it

 

> and practice its tenets. I disregard a nasty version of Islam introduced

by

 

>

 

> people like Ali Sina, who is merely a hatemonger, uses defamation of Islam

 

> to

 

> bootlick westerns and gain dominance among them. Outspokenly, that's a

major

 

>

 

> threat, when working for hate, deceit, denouncement and deliberate

 

> denigration

 

> instantly becomes an emphatically recognised path to fame in the west.

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

> On 12/3/19, Ericka via Faith-Talk <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:

 

>> Not all Christians are evangelists. I am Lutheran. We are asked not so

 

>> much to shove Bible passages down peoples throats as to live our life

 

>> according toChrists' example and teaching. The Bible to me is not

 

>> something to be read literally and taken literally; it is a guidebook.

 

>> Through the examples of those who have acted respectfully and not so

 

>> respectfully we come to see ourselves in the Scriptures and learn how

 

>> to handle situations in a way that respects all of his creation

 

>> including the human beings on this earth. We are not called to be

 

>> drunken, gluttonous, greedy, arrogant, and so on. If you look in

 

>> Galatians for the fruits of the spirit, these are what we are called to

 

>> beat

 

>> others and good suggestions to take care of yourself as well.

 

>> It looks like cell control something you need to work on as I don't

 

>> appreciate the rudeness you treated Adriana.

 

>>

 

>> God sent Jesus to us to free us from rules in the Old Testament since

 

>> apparently people weren't understanding what God wanted us to act and

 

>> why.

 

>>

 

>> Whether you're Jewish, Islamic or Christian etc. there are people who

 

>> are go to humans and then there are bad ones. Islamic dictator is

 

>> killing their own faithful is not any better than The Crusades. It's a

 

>> humanity problem that we all struggle with so you can't blame our

 

>> maker whether it be God as the Christian and see it, Allah, or the

supreme

 

>>

 

>> being and so on. We screwup.

 

>> Instead of dissecting everything, why don't we start looking at the

 

>> common believes and bond together for a better world we have here too

 

>> and have it rather than hurting others, just respecting others and

 

>> either way not making our faiths look respectable.

 

>>

 

>> Ericka Nelson

 

>>

 

>>> On Dec 3, 2019, at 11:00 AM, Mustafa Almahdy via Faith-Talk

 

>>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:

 

>>>

 

>>> ?Well, you're in hell as of being such a miserable failure, not able

 

>>> to respond to my longly held debating challenge. As for good looking

 

>>> women, that's the maximum rate of someone at your disposal. I don't

 

>>> know about these things. But I know, that staring at women illicitly

 

>>> is strictly prohibited in Islam. Now, as these evangelists who

 

>>> cluselessly fend for your plainly hateful attitude may have noticed,

 

>>> you're not proselytising  to their faith in any manner. You're just

 

>>> spreading hate and deceit about Islam. Nonetheless, that seems to be

 

>>> quite sufficient for them to unconsciously endorse you. I think we're

 

>>> fully aware as of right now, who is truly detestable, despicable and

 

>>> immensely hypocritical. I still want to know, where did you earn the

 

>>> 100000$ which you sardonically offered from? Is working for

 

>>> Islamophobia and hatefully relevant industries eminently so

 

>>> profitable in western culture? As you're currently residing in the

 

>>> region of southeastern Europe, I wonder, what are you doing there? As

 

>>> Iranian based who has been extremely notorious of intently spreading

 

>>> hate, I couldn't unveil the nature of your work. Where does it fill?

 

>>> Ali Sina aims to provoke attenuated Muslims until they ultimately

 

>>> apostate. Be that as it may, he doesn't care about what do they embrace

 

>>> afterward.

 

>>> Is he promoting western secularism? I wonder if he perhaps could

 

>>> illustrate onto that. He says before that he is not an evangelist.

 

>>> Fine, what is he then? As to the faith talk folks, well, someone

 

>>> there has just told me, that I was demanded not to post to the list

 

>>> anymore.

 

>>> Well, excuse me but, this request clearly contradicts with an

 

>>> explicit statement that belongs to the list's essential guidelines.

 

>>> On your main info page, it says, "Persons of all faiths are welcome.

 

>>> Feel free to post, and have fun!". That what does it state there, very

 

>>> clearly.

 

>>> You can go to the list's info page and verify this claim. So, you may

 

>>> either remove the above statement and replace it with a statement

 

>>> that informs all viewers, that this list is exclusively restricted to

 

>>> Christian conversation and relevantly affiliated blindness interests.

 

>>> Or, you may say, that each and everyone that is not believing

 

>>> Christian is welcome to post except Muslims. We don't want them here

 

>>> anymore. I bet you couldn't post such thing on your main page because

 

>>> you will plainly violate allegedly embraced tenets of

 

>>> multiculturalism and coexistence. No no, sure you could. Hasn't

 

>>> Trump, master of peace and tolerance insistently declared such kind

 

>>> remarks about Muslims in the States and other minorities? What

 

>>> happened when I posted to the faith talk list stuff that may not

 

>>> necessarily concur with their beliefs or convictions as of religious and

 

>>>

 

>>> political orientation?

 

>>> Well, they immediately banned me from posting to the list. In other

 

>>> words, forcefully unsubscribed me. Well, if I will anyway be

 

>>> ostracised because of my religious and political opinion, what is

 

>>> then the proper use of the following statement? As quoted above, it

 

>>> says on your main info page, "persons of all faiths are welcome." So,

 

>>> it's either I am welcome or not welcome. I wonder if it could be

 

>>> both? It could be, as long as I speak against my own religion to

 

>>> please Americans, lords of the world. I unfortunately couldn't cope

 

>>> with such demand. So, I hope the temperament of the list's owners is

 

>>> clarified a bit. As for Ali Sina, good luck at your glorious journey

 

>>> of courting gorgeous women.

 

>>>

 

>>>

 

>>>

 

>>>> On 12/2/19, FFI <faithfreedom2 at gmail.com> wrote:

 

>>>> I am in Ukraine, If this is hell it is too cold this time of the year.

 

>>>> But

 

>>>> the women here are actually very very beautiful.  Nice hell.

 

>>>>

 

>>>> On Fri, Nov 29, 2019 at 9:45 PM Mustafa Almahdy

 

>>>> <against.trump2001 at gmail.com>

 

>>>> wrote:

 

>>>>

 

>>>>> For nearly three successive months, I have been persistently

 

>>>>> challenging Ali Sina to enter in a debate with me about the filth

 

>>>>> that he presumptuously writes about Islam. He obstinately calls the

 

>>>>> lasciviously based soliloquy of his own sickened prejudice

 

>>>>> worthwhile critique. He thence is afraid of venturing into this

 

>>>>> altercating field, so he may not lose his averred credibility among

 

>>>>> disinformed audience. He runs a vicious website entitled Ali Sina

 

>>>>> dot org. At its inception he writes, everything you need to know

 

>>>>> about Islam. He should have actually written, everything I intently

 

>>>>> lie to you about Islam. He unfortunately takes advantage of

 

>>>>> people's ignorance. He deliberately misleads his indoctrinated

 

>>>>> viewers. On his detestable website, he often writes about

 

>>>>> arbitrarily anonymous mortals who are allegedly Muslims. Therein,

 

>>>>> they have supposedly sought his eminent advice which has led to

 

>>>>> their ultimate apostasy. He evades conversing with me because I

 

>>>>> massively

 

>>>>> resemble a major threat to his reputation.

 

>>>>> I discredited his character and have posed decisive rebuttals to

 

>>>>> his truthiness. First off, why couldn't he release his accredited

 

>>>>> credentials or whatever that might be? Second, does he know Arabic?

 

>>>>> I previously demanded him to compose a basic sentence in Arabic,

 

>>>>> but he just couldn't. Third, in his recent message to me, he asked

 

>>>>> me to bring him someone to debate with, and he proposed to pay us

 

>>>>> 100000$, arranged half to half, between me and the one that I will

 

>>>>> bring. My question here is, why couldn't you just debate me for

 

>>>>> free? And, where did you get all this money from? Is working in the

 

>>>>> field of Islamophobia that profitable in the west? I hope he

 

>>>>> bravely answers any of these critical questions. Now, to those who

 

>>>>> purposely harbour such fugitives  and hatemongers, you must plainly

 

>>>>> fathom, that the current situation won't ever be infinite in any

 

>>>>> manner. I one day shall catch this Ali Sina and will then coerce

 

>>>>> him into direct engagement, whereas people as of Muslims and others

 

>>>>> alike can certainly see and judge. I genuinely believe that

 

>>>>> attainting this person's competency is much worse than actually

putting

 

>>>>>

 

>>>>> him to death.

 

>>>>> If you're truly a man, you may then accept debating me. As of right

 

>>>>> now, he cowardly hides like a nasty mous. He is absolutely

 

>>>>> terrified of being caught and exposed. Had he been confident of

 

>>>>> himself, he would have then accepted my longly suspended debating

 

>>>>> proposal. His financial offer etc is just an enact to deride and

 

>>>>> avoid any potential confrontation. I, however, won't ever leave him

 

>>>>> on his own. Even if he hides below the seventh ground, I will chase

 

>>>>> him. I will keep beating him up until he is wholly destroyed. I

 

>>>>> knew where do you currently reside in Europe. We're going to meet

 

>>>>> soon, so watch out, son of Sina.,

 

>>>>>

 

>>>>

 

>>>>

 

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>>>> <http://www.faithfreedom.org>

 

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Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2019 10:52:09 -0700

From: "BRUCE&JOY BRESLAUER" <breslauerj at gmail.com>

To: "'Faith-talk, for the discussion of Blindness in faith and

  religion'" <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>

Subject: Re: [Faith-Talk] Introduction From Rilind+Re: Bethlehem

  avenue, Ali Sina, has failed and he is in hell

Message-ID: <01d101d5ab94$b7a43840$26eca8c0$@gmail.com>

 

Welcome to the list, Rilind.

 

I understand how difficult it must be to pursue a faith different from that

of your family, especially when the cost of leaving that faith is so high. 
I

will pray for you and your situation.

 

The question never has been how good we are or can be, but how good God is.

I'm very glad you said that.  We can never be good enough, no matter what we

do.  The Bible is full of people who made mistakes and didn't measure up.

They are real examples to show us that God can use anyone for His purposes,

you don't have to be good enough.  If you give yourself to God and let Him

direct your path, He will refine you and use you for His purposes, and your

life will be something you could have never imagined or dreamed of.  Moses

was a murderer.  David was an adulterer.  Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob tried to

pass their wives off as their sisters.  They were deceitful, but so was

Laban.  Every one of us has fallen short of the glory of God, but He knows

that because He knows what we are made of and He knows how to redeem us from

certain death.

 

Christian denominations have variations in what they believe, but in order
to

be Christian they must agree on certain basic truths.  I'm sure other faiths

have points on which they must agree in order to be members of that

particular faith.

 

After having studied comparative religions for some years, it was pointed
out

to me one day in a sermon that Christianity is the only faith that is not

manmade.  Every other faith strives unsuccessfully to reach God or
perfection

or acceptability in its own way.  Jesus is the bridge that was built from
god

to man, so that we would have a sure way to reach Him.  He reached down to
us

because we couldn't reach up to Him.  We couldn't and can't do anything to

save ourselves.  We aren't holy enough or righteous enough and we never will

be.  We needed someone holy and righteous enough to pay the debt we could
not

pay.  Jesus is not an afterthought or a plan B.  There is no plan B.  That
is

where my search for truth ended, and that is where it remains to this day.

 

I hesitate to say all this only because I don't want someone to think that I

am putting their faith down, or that I think I am superior to them.  I know
I

am not.  I am just explaining what I believe.  Everyone probably has asked
at

some point in their life who am I, where am I going, what is the meaning of

life, what is expected of me while I'm here on this journey, and what

happens, if anything, after I die.  Where you seek your answers has a lot to

do with what you will find.  How you decide what is true is an interesting

process.  You have to decide where you will draw your lines, and what you

will do if someone challenges or crosses your lines.  You have to decide how

you will discern truth from lies, and what you will do if what you thought

was truth really isn't.  The Bible is full of discussions about that.  Are

there rules to follow while we are here?  Who makes the rules?  What happens

if someone breaks the rules?  Who is subject to the rules?  When do the
rules

apply to me?  Do we all get to make up our own rules as our whims permit?

 

How we answer some of these universal questions is determined to a large

extent by whom we listen to and decide to follow.  A great many decisions

will be made before a person reaches that point.  Are we active or passive

followers, or do we just go whichever way the wind blows at the moment?  Do

we really believe in anything, or are we just trying the flavor of the month

for the moment?  Does any of this really matter?  What difference does it

make?  Well, friend, it makes a big difference.

 

Peace and blessings to you all.

 

Back to lurk mode.

 

Joy

 

     -----Original Message-----

From: Faith-Talk <faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Rilind
Dragoshi

via Faith-Talk

Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2019 9:25 AM

To: faith-talk at nfbnet.org

Cc: Rilind Dragoshi <dragoshi11 at hotmail.com>

Subject: [Faith-Talk] Introduction From Rilind+Re: Bethlehem avenue, Ali

Sina, has failed and he is in hell

 

Hello everyone.

My name is Rilind.

I didn't know if I should introduce myself here or even comment on this
issue

as there are many chalenges associated with publicly coming out in this
topic

here, but,life belongs to God, and scripture tells us that this is life that

we may know the one true God and Jesus Christ who he as sent. For personal

reasons, at one point today I had considered messaging a list moderator and

to ask to have it posted but then I knew that our friend mMustafa, that you

might say oh look how they make up stories, and might say someone made this

story up. So I said I'm going to discuss my story to explain not how good I

am, (actually the opposite). But how good God is. Also, from a list

standpoint, I didn't even know that this topic has relevance to blindness
and

faith at all. However, I also want to say that I have been subscribed for a

long time, and, I was never sure if I would ever want to share my testimony

here, but then decided that I will. I am 100% blind, and some of the

chalenges are related to blindness. With that in mind I thought it is okay
to

share here.

I don't want to go in to long detail about myself because of this topic but,

I will say for sure that I live in Canada, born in Kosovo, speak Albanian

English and some French, and, although noone is perfect, I have, from 2013

accepted Jesus Christ as my Lord and savior. Baptism someday too hopefully.

About myself I'll say: I finished my Psychology degree, I do call centre
work

as well as English practicing work. I like walks, music, and family, as well

as travel.

My personal struggles in life now include anger that I am single, not being

able to go to Church due to my situation; arguing too much with people who

don't respect my beliefs such as my parents.

Yes my friend, according to Islam, I may be going to Hell and if it's true

then I would have to. Something else is if I don't repent and I continue in

being upset and angry and things Paul says, I could go to Hell too. We have

verses in the Bible about people who continue in certain sins not entering

the kingdom of God. But, I believe that God himself came in the person of

Jesus Christ, that he lived a perfect life, that the Isaiah 51 chapter is

about him, and that just as Stephen saw, he is now at the right hand of God,

and just as Revelation says, that the same will be in his family who conquer

and overcome. I am not a universalist, but even in the harshest times of

judgement, the Bible says everyone who calls on the name of the lord shall
be

saved, and also Paul talks about that every knee will bough and every tongue

confess. I believing in the living faith, I used to think too, that

Christianity meant just you're saved no matter what you do, but I know now

that salvation is through faith, but faith without works is dead, so we

aren't saved if we do certain works, but that faith in itself means that

specific things will be the fruit of that faith.

Since this is about beliefs, I'm going to share my testimony to show people

here that it's not all about hate that people chose Jesus, but about love of

the truth.

It's a long story so please bare with me.

 

My tesstimony, now that is an interesting story in itself that I will try to

explain.

It is a long story.

So I had my regular universalist beliefs and Islam.

I grew up initially secular Muslim, then at age 10 I would ask my
grandfather

about God, and then at age 13 I read the Bible, then soon after, the Quran.

>From an Islam-based perspective, I would read Harun Yahya a lot, and read
the

Quran at age 13. I have a great family but as I am blind, I wasn't able to

visit any places of worship as often as my family didn't want me to be

involved in worship they would say it's better to stay at home.

When I started at Crandall University I would help with the prison ministry

program there and go to the senior's home as well, to Briarlea. We would go

on Fridays to sing hymns, play bingo, and I found out, once a month that we
d

be doing communion. I didn't mind at all doing the visits it wasn't required

or anything I just knew from previous experience and Ronald Weinland and

other folks, I knew that ministry meant service, so I wanted to help out
even

though i wasn't Christian. I loved it. Now when we were getting closer to
the

end of the month and when it was time for Communion week coming by, I

realised that I probably didn't think I should go. I thought okay, if I don
t

go it will be random I don't want to just all of a sudden say I'm busy just

on that one week when there's communion but, if I go I thought then I would

feel out of place in the sense that I'd feel disrespectful if I'm there and

not taking communion. So what I did, I sent a message to my professor that

did the ministry program and told him about my situation. I explained to him

I definitely always enjoy coming and all the activities but that I wasn't

sure if I should come since I'm not able to take communion given A that I

didn't feel it was right since not baptized and B where I was also more

Muslim and also Universalist. I told him I wanted to come but thought I

shouldn't since I didn't want to be disrespectful. He said I could come and

that it's completely okay since people don't expect people to take communion

if they don't.

So next week I just went and that was fine. Before I went (I usually was

there early since I'd wait after my stats class that ended around 11:30
until

we left around 1 or whatever time it was, can't remember the time. But, the

professor was there earlier and he said oh we have 15 minutes or so. He then

played a video for me one was from Francis Chan and the other one was from

John Piper, now one of them there it talked about God and about the
sacrifice

of Christ etc., and at one point it said "he had to die because a crime was

committed". For the first time, I learned why the sacrifice was believed. As

a non-Christian at the time and before, my trouble was never with whether
God

would send his son or sacrifice etc., it was more, that he wouldn't need to.

However, I realised after that that there is a God who both is just and

merciful, wanting to forgive, but also that couldn't without the penalty

being payed, wouldn't, without the penalty being payed.

At this point I didn't know what to do with this information.

Something key is when Muslim (even if secular even if more bookworm than

practicing), you don't ever think okay I want to switch. At that time though

I thought hey if I accept Christ, I will be forgiven of all sins and I will

be living the life with God but being able to repent instead of having the

punishments in this world and the hereafter in the way that the Quran

explained. So, I had a formula for repentence and forgiveness. Now there was

very clearly the problem that I also couldn't just leave because I knew in

the Quran that A In the Quran those who believe in God and do good deeds
went

to heaven, and B that there are clear verses there that if someone accepts

something other than Muslim, it says God will never accept it and that in
the

next life you're going to be a loser. I didn't know if it meant Hell, but, I

didn't want to become a loser either. Thus, there was a dilemma I had. At
the

time, I felt that the only solution to both be forgiven as well as to also

make sure I don't become a loser or go to Hell was to be both a Christian
and

a Muslim. I didn't even know how to do this so I went on Google of all
places

to type in how to be both a Christian and a Muslim. I found many pages, and

of course, most pages were about how you can't. I didn't want that though
sso

I kept looking. Later I found a website called messianicmuslims.com that's

not even there anymore for some reason, but, in it talks about essentially a

number of things about how I could do that.

It talked about the fact that the Quran didn't say the scriptures were

corrupt but just how they were explained. It talked about how the Quran when

it said that Jesus wasn't his son it was saying more because not literally.

It went on to say when it says the Jews didn't kill him it was because the

Romans actually made the order, etc. So in this article I realised that I

could accept him as my king, and from that point I was more Christian Muslim


I didn't have a church, e etc, just read both. Now later on I found a house

church and I felt I could be accepted since it was the gospel but accepting

everyone. My professor I had asked him about it when I saw it and he said he

was going to speak there that week, so, I went with him that week. It was a

great community that did downtown ministry and other activities together,

prayer and fellowship hangout etc., and I enjoyed the visit.

I couldn't go very often though and still don't go to any of the church

meetings  often because my family doesn't like that I want to b Christian,

many get upset, some say I'd be kicked out of the house if I wasn't blind,

etc., but I then get upset too like I don't go often mostly because I need
to

have the right attitude if I'm both going and angry then that isn't being a

good example, but I've continued I'll have coffee sometimes, go for supper

when I can, etc., and sometimes rarely on Wednesdays or something somewhere

for prayer.

Now, it was only after that I became Christian fully. It was in early 2016

where God fully told me that in a dream, that the Bible is to be the leading

influence in my life. Then from there I knew that it was important for me to

specifically be Christian.

 

That's my story.

God bless:

Rilind.

 

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      (David Moore)

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      (BRUCE&JOY BRESLAUER)

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Message: 1

Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2019 23:21:29 +0200

From: Mustafa Almahdy <against.trump2001 at gmail.com>

To: faith-talk at nfbnet.org

Cc: dotwriter1 at gmail.com, debbiedrylie at gmail.com,

  moore at donaldmoore.org, dlgoza at jeffersonbaptist.org,

  erickelly at bellsouth.net, rickevans5 at gmail.com,

tingram at hbbc.org

Subject: Re: [Faith-Talk] Bethlehem avenue, Ali Sina, has failed and

  he is in hell

Message-ID:

  <CADqbXg3ZHQQpRW958R+A_DDH9zpDYfw1wu_HFk8EJei5FrPNWg at mail.gmail.com>

Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"

 

Well obviously, I knew who Lutherans are. The cardinal doctrine of

justifying faith alone is not sufficient for me. I don't recall that I

have spoken rudely to someone though. I am just asking for some proper

equity, as Islam is being brought to discussion or even critique in

western media. When doing so, it's constantly subjected to

unfavourable judgement. It isn't fair at all, to intently insist to

misportray Islam and its tenets through introducing it to the masses

by intense haters, unjust viewers. Ali Sina deceives westerns when he

tells them, that Islam couldn't cope with modern western fundamentals.

Well, this isn't quite precise, critical or even transpicuous. Ali

Sina is notoriously dishonest about everything related to Islam.

Through eight consecutive centuries, Andalusian          Muslim

civilisation has contributed distinctly outstanding breakthroughs to

untutored Medieval denizens. So, Islam encourages its embracers to

ponder, contribute and explore. Nonetheless, for the past 200 years,

Muslims haven't invented anything useful to either themselves or

others. Thence, they reached the back of the caravan and became such

backward, influenced, defeated and manipulated nation. The Koran told

Muslims, that they're the best of people, as long as they enjoin good,

forbid evil and believe in God. So, if they failed to fulfill any of

these terms, they're then no longer the best of people. One of the

main reasons for which I love Islam so much, is the fact that it is

the only faith on earth which criticises its own followers if they

failed to maintain the competent status of proper religious tenets.

Adhereing  certain concepts doesn't guarantee its believing

individuals a blank check to heaven. There is no such thing in Islam.

Islam advocates for a global vision of substantial reform in all life

aspects. Therefore, despite anyone's ethnic affiliation, as long as he

is firmly loyal to Islam, he could be the best of and even, at the top

of its scholarship. So for instance, despite his enormously extraneous

origin, for his uniquely masterpiece in Hadith discipline, imam

Bukhari  became the invincible scholar on that regard. Well, he wasn't

initially Arab. Nonetheless, he mastered Arabic and produced a

wonderful textbook in its eloquent rhetoric. This extraordinary

chef-d'oeuvre is broadly considered to be the top of major sunnah

references and the most authentic source of Islam after the Koran,

known as, (Sahih al-Bukhari). I hope we have a chance to introduce

Islam to others as we see it and practice its tenets. I disregard a

nasty version of Islam introduced by people like Ali Sina, who is

merely a hatemonger, uses defamation of Islam to bootlick westerns and

gain dominance among them. Outspokenly, that's a major threat, when

working for hate, deceit, denouncement and deliberate denigration

instantly becomes an emphatically recognised path to fame in the west.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

On 12/3/19, Ericka via Faith-Talk <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> Not all Christians are evangelists. I am Lutheran. We are asked not so
much

> to shove Bible passages down peoples throats as to live our life according

> toChrists? example and teaching. The Bible to me is not something to be

read

> literally and taken literally; it is a guidebook. Through the examples of

> those who have acted respectfully and not so respectfully we come to see

> ourselves in the Scriptures and learn how to handle situations in a way

that

> respects all of his creation including the human beings on this earth. We

> are not called to be drunken, gluttonous, greedy, arrogant, and so on. If

> you look in Galatians for the fruits of the spirit, these are what we are

> called to beat others and good suggestions to take care of yourself as

well.

> It looks like cell control something you need to work on as I don?t

> appreciate the rudeness you treated Adriana.

>

> God sent Jesus to us to free us from rules in the Old Testament since

> apparently people weren?t understanding what God wanted us to act and why.

>

> Whether you?re Jewish, Islamic or Christian etc. there are people who are

go

> to humans and then there are bad ones. Islamic dictator is killing their

own

> faithful is not any better than The Crusades. It?s a humanity problem that

> we all struggle with so you can?t blame our maker whether it be God as the

> Christian and see it, Allah, or the supreme being and so on. We screwup.

> Instead of dissecting everything, why don?t we start looking at the common

> believes and bond together for a better world we have here too and have it

> rather than hurting others, just respecting others and either way not

making

> our faiths look respectable.

>

> Ericka Nelson

>

>> On Dec 3, 2019, at 11:00 AM, Mustafa Almahdy via Faith-Talk

>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:

>>

>> ?Well, you're in hell as of being such a miserable failure, not able to

>> respond to my longly held debating challenge. As for good looking

>> women, that's the maximum rate of someone at your disposal. I don't

>> know about these things. But I know, that staring at women illicitly

>> is strictly prohibited in Islam. Now, as these evangelists who

>> cluselessly fend for your plainly hateful attitude may have noticed,

>> you're not proselytising  to their faith in any manner. You're just

>> spreading hate and deceit about Islam. Nonetheless, that seems to be

>> quite sufficient for them to unconsciously endorse you. I think we're

>> fully aware as of right now, who is truly detestable, despicable and

>> immensely hypocritical. I still want to know, where did you earn the

>> 100000$ which you sardonically offered from? Is working for

>> Islamophobia and hatefully relevant industries eminently so profitable

>> in western culture? As you're currently residing in the region of

>> southeastern Europe, I wonder, what are you doing there? As Iranian

>> based who has been extremely notorious of intently spreading hate, I

>> couldn't unveil the nature of your work. Where does it fill? Ali Sina

>> aims to provoke attenuated Muslims until they ultimately apostate. Be

>> that as it may, he doesn't care about what do they embrace afterward.

>> Is he promoting western secularism? I wonder if he perhaps could

>> illustrate onto that. He says before that he is not an evangelist.

>> Fine, what is he then? As to the faith talk folks, well, someone there

>> has just told me, that I was demanded not to post to the list anymore.

>> Well, excuse me but, this request clearly contradicts with an explicit

>> statement that belongs to the list's essential guidelines. On your

>> main info page, it says, "Persons of all faiths are welcome. Feel free

>> to post, and have fun!". That what does it state there, very clearly.

>> You can go to the list's info page and verify this claim. So, you may

>> either remove the above statement and replace it with a statement that

>> informs all viewers, that this list is exclusively restricted to

>> Christian conversation and relevantly affiliated blindness interests.

>> Or, you may say, that each and everyone that is not believing

>> Christian is welcome to post except Muslims. We don't want them here

>> anymore. I bet you couldn't post such thing on your main page because

>> you will plainly violate allegedly embraced tenets of multiculturalism

>> and coexistence. No no, sure you could. Hasn't Trump, master of peace

>> and tolerance insistently declared such kind remarks about Muslims in

>> the States and other minorities? What happened when I posted to the

>> faith talk list stuff that may not necessarily concur with their

>> beliefs or convictions as of religious and political orientation?

>> Well, they immediately banned me from posting to the list. In other

>> words, forcefully unsubscribed me. Well, if I will anyway be

>> ostracised because of my religious and political opinion, what is then

>> the proper use of the following statement? As quoted above, it says on

>> your main info page, "persons of all faiths are welcome." So, it's

>> either I am welcome or not welcome. I wonder if it could be both? It

>> could be, as long as I speak against my own religion to please

>> Americans, lords of the world. I unfortunately couldn't cope with such

>> demand. So, I hope the temperament of the list's owners is clarified a

>> bit. As for Ali Sina, good luck at your glorious journey of courting

>> gorgeous women.

>>

>>

>>

>>> On 12/2/19, FFI <faithfreedom2 at gmail.com> wrote:

>>> I am in Ukraine, If this is hell it is too cold this time of the year.

>>> But

>>> the women here are actually very very beautiful.  Nice hell.

>>>

>>> On Fri, Nov 29, 2019 at 9:45 PM Mustafa Almahdy

>>> <against.trump2001 at gmail.com>

>>> wrote:

>>>

>>>> For nearly three successive months, I have been persistently

>>>> challenging Ali Sina to enter in a debate with me about the filth that

>>>> he presumptuously writes about Islam. He obstinately calls the

>>>> lasciviously based soliloquy of his own sickened prejudice worthwhile

>>>> critique. He thence is afraid of venturing into this altercating

>>>> field, so he may not lose his averred credibility among disinformed

>>>> audience. He runs a vicious website entitled Ali Sina dot org. At its

>>>> inception he writes, everything you need to know about Islam. He

>>>> should have actually written, everything I intently lie to you about

>>>> Islam. He unfortunately takes advantage of people's ignorance. He

>>>> deliberately misleads his indoctrinated viewers. On his detestable

>>>> website, he often writes about arbitrarily anonymous mortals who are

>>>> allegedly Muslims. Therein, they have supposedly sought his eminent

>>>> advice which has led to their ultimate apostasy. He evades conversing

>>>> with me because I massively resemble a major threat to his reputation.

>>>> I discredited his character and have posed decisive rebuttals to his

>>>> truthiness. First off, why couldn't he release his accredited

>>>> credentials or whatever that might be? Second, does he know Arabic? I

>>>> previously demanded him to compose a basic sentence in Arabic, but he

>>>> just couldn't. Third, in his recent message to me, he asked me to

>>>> bring him someone to debate with, and he proposed to pay us 100000$,

>>>> arranged half to half, between me and the one that I will bring. My

>>>> question here is, why couldn't you just debate me for free? And, where

>>>> did you get all this money from? Is working in the field of

>>>> Islamophobia that profitable in the west? I hope he bravely answers

>>>> any of these critical questions. Now, to those who purposely harbour

>>>> such fugitives  and hatemongers, you must plainly fathom, that the

>>>> current situation won't ever be infinite in any manner. I one day

>>>> shall catch this Ali Sina and will then coerce him into direct

>>>> engagement, whereas people as of Muslims and others alike can

>>>> certainly see and judge. I genuinely believe that attainting this

>>>> person's competency is much worse than actually putting him to death.

>>>> If you're truly a man, you may then accept debating me. As of right

>>>> now, he cowardly hides like a nasty mous. He is absolutely terrified

>>>> of being caught and exposed. Had he been confident of himself, he

>>>> would have then accepted my longly suspended debating proposal. His

>>>> financial offer etc is just an enact to deride and avoid any potential

>>>> confrontation. I, however, won't ever leave him on his own. Even if he

>>>> hides below the seventh ground, I will chase him. I will keep beating

>>>> him up until he is wholly destroyed. I knew where do you currently

>>>> reside in Europe. We're going to meet soon, so watch out, son of

>>>> Sina.,

>>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> --

>>> alisina.org <http://www.alisina.org>

>>> faithfreedom.org <http://www.faithfreedom.org>

>>>

>>

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Message: 2

Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2019 18:01:08 -0500

From: David Moore <jesusloves1966 at gmail.com>

To: "Faith-talk, for the discussion of Blindness in faith and

  religion" <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>

Subject: Re: [Faith-Talk] Bethlehem avenue, Ali Sina, has failed and

  he is inhell

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Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

 

Jesus said that he was God, and he proved it by rising from the dead!

Did Mohamad rise from the dead?

Also, Jesus said, ?I am the way, the truth, and the life!

Nobody can come to the Father except by me!

Also in Acts chapter 4, it says this!

Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under Heaven

given to men, by which they must be saved!

I believe that throws out Islam and all religion to get one to Heaven!

Jesus is not a religion!

He sacrificed his own self for all sin for all time!

What about the verse that says,

?we are saved by grace, not by works, so that no man can boast before God!

If you throw in works, just how many works do you have to do to enter
Heaven?

Jesus?s blood he shed for us, forgives all sin for all time as soon as we

call out to him, repent, to want to change and follow Jesus, Confess Jesus
as

God, and be baptized for the remission of our sins!

After that, only we can kick God out our lives, by not wanting God leading
us

anymore!

We, at that time, forefoot our salvation, we do not lose it without knowing

it! If works are needed, why did Jesus have to go to the cross at all, and
be

separated from his Father, because my personal sin was put upon on him, and

he paid the full debt for us all!

That is what the Word of God says, and that is all that matters!

Every word in the Bible, is God breathed, and when you read the Bible, you

are reading the living words of God!

God is speaking to you through his perfect Word!

I am saddened for you, and all people who believe that the Words of God

himself are just a guide for our life!

I have so much joy and peace by standing on the only words of God that we

will hear in this life!

Take care, all!

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Mustafa Almahdy via Faith-Talk

Sent: Wednesday, December 4, 2019 4:22 PM

To: faith-talk at nfbnet.org

Cc: Mustafa Almahdy; rickevans5 at gmail.com; tingram at hbbc.org;

debbiedrylie at gmail.com; moore at donaldmoore.org; erickelly at bellsouth.net;

dlgoza at jeffersonbaptist.org

Subject: Re: [Faith-Talk] Bethlehem avenue, Ali Sina, has failed and he is

inhell

 

Well obviously, I knew who Lutherans are. The cardinal doctrine of

justifying faith alone is not sufficient for me. I don't recall that I

have spoken rudely to someone though. I am just asking for some proper

equity, as Islam is being brought to discussion or even critique in

western media. When doing so, it's constantly subjected to

unfavourable judgement. It isn't fair at all, to intently insist to

misportray Islam and its tenets through introducing it to the masses

by intense haters, unjust viewers. Ali Sina deceives westerns when he

tells them, that Islam couldn't cope with modern western fundamentals.

Well, this isn't quite precise, critical or even transpicuous. Ali

Sina is notoriously dishonest about everything related to Islam.

Through eight consecutive centuries, Andalusian          Muslim

civilisation has contributed distinctly outstanding breakthroughs to

untutored Medieval denizens. So, Islam encourages its embracers to

ponder, contribute and explore. Nonetheless, for the past 200 years,

Muslims haven't invented anything useful to either themselves or

others. Thence, they reached the back of the caravan and became such

backward, influenced, defeated and manipulated nation. The Koran told

Muslims, that they're the best of people, as long as they enjoin good,

forbid evil and believe in God. So, if they failed to fulfill any of

these terms, they're then no longer the best of people. One of the

main reasons for which I love Islam so much, is the fact that it is

the only faith on earth which criticises its own followers if they

failed to maintain the competent status of proper religious tenets.

Adhereing  certain concepts doesn't guarantee its believing

individuals a blank check to heaven. There is no such thing in Islam.

Islam advocates for a global vision of substantial reform in all life

aspects. Therefore, despite anyone's ethnic affiliation, as long as he

is firmly loyal to Islam, he could be the best of and even, at the top

of its scholarship. So for instance, despite his enormously extraneous

origin, for his uniquely masterpiece in Hadith discipline, imam

Bukhari  became the invincible scholar on that regard. Well, he wasn't

initially Arab. Nonetheless, he mastered Arabic and produced a

wonderful textbook in its eloquent rhetoric. This extraordinary

chef-d'oeuvre is broadly considered to be the top of major sunnah

references and the most authentic source of Islam after the Koran,

known as, (Sahih al-Bukhari). I hope we have a chance to introduce

Islam to others as we see it and practice its tenets. I disregard a

nasty version of Islam introduced by people like Ali Sina, who is

merely a hatemonger, uses defamation of Islam to bootlick westerns and

gain dominance among them. Outspokenly, that's a major threat, when

working for hate, deceit, denouncement and deliberate denigration

instantly becomes an emphatically recognised path to fame in the west.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

On 12/3/19, Ericka via Faith-Talk <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> Not all Christians are evangelists. I am Lutheran. We are asked not so
much

> to shove Bible passages down peoples throats as to live our life according

> toChrists? example and teaching. The Bible to me is not something to be

read

> literally and taken literally; it is a guidebook. Through the examples of

> those who have acted respectfully and not so respectfully we come to see

> ourselves in the Scriptures and learn how to handle situations in a way

that

> respects all of his creation including the human beings on this earth. We

> are not called to be drunken, gluttonous, greedy, arrogant, and so on. If

> you look in Galatians for the fruits of the spirit, these are what we are

> called to beat others and good suggestions to take care of yourself as

well.

> It looks like cell control something you need to work on as I don?t

> appreciate the rudeness you treated Adriana.

>

> God sent Jesus to us to free us from rules in the Old Testament since

> apparently people weren?t understanding what God wanted us to act and why.

>

> Whether you?re Jewish, Islamic or Christian etc. there are people who are

go

> to humans and then there are bad ones. Islamic dictator is killing their

own

> faithful is not any better than The Crusades. It?s a humanity problem that

> we all struggle with so you can?t blame our maker whether it be God as the

> Christian and see it, Allah, or the supreme being and so on. We screwup.

> Instead of dissecting everything, why don?t we start looking at the common

> believes and bond together for a better world we have here too and have it

> rather than hurting others, just respecting others and either way not

making

> our faiths look respectable.

>

> Ericka Nelson

>

>> On Dec 3, 2019, at 11:00 AM, Mustafa Almahdy via Faith-Talk

>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:

>>

>> ?Well, you're in hell as of being such a miserable failure, not able to

>> respond to my longly held debating challenge. As for good looking

>> women, that's the maximum rate of someone at your disposal. I don't

>> know about these things. But I know, that staring at women illicitly

>> is strictly prohibited in Islam. Now, as these evangelists who

>> cluselessly fend for your plainly hateful attitude may have noticed,

>> you're not proselytising  to their faith in any manner. You're just

>> spreading hate and deceit about Islam. Nonetheless, that seems to be

>> quite sufficient for them to unconsciously endorse you. I think we're

>> fully aware as of right now, who is truly detestable, despicable and

>> immensely hypocritical. I still want to know, where did you earn the

>> 100000$ which you sardonically offered from? Is working for

>> Islamophobia and hatefully relevant industries eminently so profitable

>> in western culture? As you're currently residing in the region of

>> southeastern Europe, I wonder, what are you doing there? As Iranian

>> based who has been extremely notorious of intently spreading hate, I

>> couldn't unveil the nature of your work. Where does it fill? Ali Sina

>> aims to provoke attenuated Muslims until they ultimately apostate. Be

>> that as it may, he doesn't care about what do they embrace afterward.

>> Is he promoting western secularism? I wonder if he perhaps could

>> illustrate onto that. He says before that he is not an evangelist.

>> Fine, what is he then? As to the faith talk folks, well, someone there

>> has just told me, that I was demanded not to post to the list anymore.

>> Well, excuse me but, this request clearly contradicts with an explicit

>> statement that belongs to the list's essential guidelines. On your

>> main info page, it says, "Persons of all faiths are welcome. Feel free

>> to post, and have fun!". That what does it state there, very clearly.

>> You can go to the list's info page and verify this claim. So, you may

>> either remove the above statement and replace it with a statement that

>> informs all viewers, that this list is exclusively restricted to

>> Christian conversation and relevantly affiliated blindness interests.

>> Or, you may say, that each and everyone that is not believing

>> Christian is welcome to post except Muslims. We don't want them here

>> anymore. I bet you couldn't post such thing on your main page because

>> you will plainly violate allegedly embraced tenets of multiculturalism

>> and coexistence. No no, sure you could. Hasn't Trump, master of peace

>> and tolerance insistently declared such kind remarks about Muslims in

>> the States and other minorities? What happened when I posted to the

>> faith talk list stuff that may not necessarily concur with their

>> beliefs or convictions as of religious and political orientation?

>> Well, they immediately banned me from posting to the list. In other

>> words, forcefully unsubscribed me. Well, if I will anyway be

>> ostracised because of my religious and political opinion, what is then

>> the proper use of the following statement? As quoted above, it says on

>> your main info page, "persons of all faiths are welcome." So, it's

>> either I am welcome or not welcome. I wonder if it could be both? It

>> could be, as long as I speak against my own religion to please

>> Americans, lords of the world. I unfortunately couldn't cope with such

>> demand. So, I hope the temperament of the list's owners is clarified a

>> bit. As for Ali Sina, good luck at your glorious journey of courting

>> gorgeous women.

>>

>>

>>

>>> On 12/2/19, FFI <faithfreedom2 at gmail.com> wrote:

>>> I am in Ukraine, If this is hell it is too cold this time of the year.

>>> But

>>> the women here are actually very very beautiful.  Nice hell.

>>>

>>> On Fri, Nov 29, 2019 at 9:45 PM Mustafa Almahdy

>>> <against.trump2001 at gmail.com>

>>> wrote:

>>>

>>>> For nearly three successive months, I have been persistently

>>>> challenging Ali Sina to enter in a debate with me about the filth that

>>>> he presumptuously writes about Islam. He obstinately calls the

>>>> lasciviously based soliloquy of his own sickened prejudice worthwhile

>>>> critique. He thence is afraid of venturing into this altercating

>>>> field, so he may not lose his averred credibility among disinformed

>>>> audience. He runs a vicious website entitled Ali Sina dot org. At its

>>>> inception he writes, everything you need to know about Islam. He

>>>> should have actually written, everything I intently lie to you about

>>>> Islam. He unfortunately takes advantage of people's ignorance. He

>>>> deliberately misleads his indoctrinated viewers. On his detestable

>>>> website, he often writes about arbitrarily anonymous mortals who are

>>>> allegedly Muslims. Therein, they have supposedly sought his eminent

>>>> advice which has led to their ultimate apostasy. He evades conversing

>>>> with me because I massively resemble a major threat to his reputation.

>>>> I discredited his character and have posed decisive rebuttals to his

>>>> truthiness. First off, why couldn't he release his accredited

>>>> credentials or whatever that might be? Second, does he know Arabic? I

>>>> previously demanded him to compose a basic sentence in Arabic, but he

>>>> just couldn't. Third, in his recent message to me, he asked me to

>>>> bring him someone to debate with, and he proposed to pay us 100000$,

>>>> arranged half to half, between me and the one that I will bring. My

>>>> question here is, why couldn't you just debate me for free? And, where

>>>> did you get all this money from? Is working in the field of

>>>> Islamophobia that profitable in the west? I hope he bravely answers

>>>> any of these critical questions. Now, to those who purposely harbour

>>>> such fugitives  and hatemongers, you must plainly fathom, that the

>>>> current situation won't ever be infinite in any manner. I one day

>>>> shall catch this Ali Sina and will then coerce him into direct

>>>> engagement, whereas people as of Muslims and others alike can

>>>> certainly see and judge. I genuinely believe that attainting this

>>>> person's competency is much worse than actually putting him to death.

>>>> If you're truly a man, you may then accept debating me. As of right

>>>> now, he cowardly hides like a nasty mous. He is absolutely terrified

>>>> of being caught and exposed. Had he been confident of himself, he

>>>> would have then accepted my longly suspended debating proposal. His

>>>> financial offer etc is just an enact to deride and avoid any potential

>>>> confrontation. I, however, won't ever leave him on his own. Even if he

>>>> hides below the seventh ground, I will chase him. I will keep beating

>>>> him up until he is wholly destroyed. I knew where do you currently

>>>> reside in Europe. We're going to meet soon, so watch out, son of

>>>> Sina.,

>>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> --

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>>> faithfreedom.org <http://www.faithfreedom.org>

>>>

>>

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Message: 3

Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2019 18:22:38 -0700

From: "BRUCE&JOY BRESLAUER" <breslauerj at gmail.com>

To: "'Faith-talk, for the discussion of Blindness in faith and

  religion'" <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>

Subject: Re: [Faith-Talk] Bethlehem avenue, Ali Sina, has failed and

  he is in hell

Message-ID: <00a501d5ab0a$7bbe2820$733a7860$@gmail.com>

 

Mustafa,

 

I will say what I have to say, and then I will not engage with you further.

 

We are not the Western media.  We are a group of blind people here to
discuss

 

how blindness affects our lives as religious participants.  Sometimes the

discussion does stray into religious beliefs, but we are not here to bash
one

 

another or to put one another down.  Many of us on this list are Christians,

but the purpose of this list is not to debate religion.  We are not here to

spread hatred or vitriol.  This is not the list to discuss your opinion of

someone else's beliefs.  If you were truly interested in discussing religion

calmly and rationally, that might be one thing.  We believe what we believe

and

you believe what you believe, and we will never agree.  You believe that
what

 

you believe is correct, and so do we.  So do adherents of every religion or

nonreligion.  We can't all be right.  Two opposing views cannot both be true


 

The Bible says that Jesus said, "before Abraham was, I am," so he predates

Mohammed and everyone else.  (John 8:58.)  There is nothing to debate.  I

would

rather go through my life and die believing what I believe.  If I am wrong,

then I lose everything.  If I am right, then I gain everything.  I will

gladly

take the risk.  What about you?

 

I'm sure you know that there are Christians and then there are Christians,

just

like there are Moslems and Moslems.  Some are strident and hateful, some are

not.  We are all learning and striving to be better, especially if we live a

life of prayer and contemplation, read the Scriptures, and exhibit the
fruits

 

of the Spirit to others: love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness,

faithfulness, gentleness, and self-control. (Galatians 5: 22-23.)  These are

not things I can conjure up on my own; they are the result of living the
life

 

of a connected branch.  (John 15:5.) Without being connected to that

life-giving vine, I can do nothing.  I do not have the right to be

judgmental,

but I do have the right to be a fruit inspector. (Matthew 7:15-20.)  What I

see

is not a matter of my opinion; it is self-evident.  That is something you
and

 

Allah will have to come to terms with at some point.

 

Many awful things have been done in the name of religion, every religion.

That

is not an excuse, it is a fact.

 

Jesus willingly gave up His deity to come to earth as a man, to live among
us

 

for a time, to be crucified for our sins, and to rise from the dead

victorious

over sin and death.  He had to do it because no one else could.  No one else

is

pure enough, only God.  No one else is sinless--not you, not me, not

Mohammed.

Mohammed did not rise from the dead to eternal life.  Jesus did.  He said He

would, and  that is why He came.  The tomb was sealed and guarded to prevent

His getting out, and no one could believe it when He actually did.  Women

spread the news, which was contrary to the culture of the day.  This is all

fact, not conjecture.  He appeared to many people afterwards, hundreds at a

time, so they couldn't continue with the conspiracy theories that maybe

somebody stole the body.  The tomb was empty and the burial clothes were

still

there, wrapped up like a body was still in them.  People saw Him, complete

with

the nail prints in His hands and feet and the wound in His side.  They wrote

down what they saw.  God's foolishness is wiser than man's wisdom.  (1

Corinthians 1:25.)

 

So the bottom line is, what will you do with this Jesus?  Either He is who
He

 

says He is, or he is a liar, or he is crazy.  If you truly search the

Scriptures with an open mind and heart, you will find out which is true.

 

Joy

-----Original Message-----

From: Faith-Talk <faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Mustafa
Almahdy

 

via Faith-Talk

Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2019 2:21 PM

To: faith-talk at nfbnet.org

Cc: Mustafa Almahdy <against.trump2001 at gmail.com>; rickevans5 at gmail.com;

tingram at hbbc.org; debbiedrylie at gmail.com; moore at donaldmoore.org;

erickelly at bellsouth.net; dlgoza at jeffersonbaptist.org

Subject: Re: [Faith-Talk] Bethlehem avenue, Ali Sina, has failed and he is
in

 

hell

 

Well obviously, I knew who Lutherans are. The cardinal doctrine of
justifying

 

faith alone is not sufficient for me. I don't recall that I have spoken

rudely

to someone though. I am just asking for some proper equity, as Islam is
being

 

brought to discussion or even critique in western media. When doing so, it's

constantly subjected to unfavourable judgement. It isn't fair at all, to

intently insist to misportray Islam and its tenets through introducing it to

the masses by intense haters, unjust viewers. Ali Sina deceives westerns
when

 

he tells them, that Islam couldn't cope with modern western fundamentals.

Well, this isn't quite precise, critical or even transpicuous. Ali Sina is

notoriously dishonest about everything related to Islam.

Through eight consecutive centuries, Andalusian          Muslim

civilisation has contributed distinctly outstanding breakthroughs to

untutored

Medieval denizens. So, Islam encourages its embracers to ponder, contribute

and

explore. Nonetheless, for the past 200 years, Muslims haven't invented

anything

useful to either themselves or others. Thence, they reached the back of the

caravan and became such backward, influenced, defeated and manipulated

nation.

The Koran told Muslims, that they're the best of people, as long as they

enjoin

good, forbid evil and believe in God. So, if they failed to fulfill any of

these terms, they're then no longer the best of people. One of the main

reasons

for which I love Islam so much, is the fact that it is the only faith on

earth

which criticises its own followers if they failed to maintain the competent

status of proper religious tenets.

Adhereing  certain concepts doesn't guarantee its believing individuals a

blank

check to heaven. There is no such thing in Islam.

Islam advocates for a global vision of substantial reform in all life

aspects.

Therefore, despite anyone's ethnic affiliation, as long as he is firmly
loyal

 

to Islam, he could be the best of and even, at the top of its scholarship.
So

 

for instance, despite his enormously extraneous origin, for his uniquely

masterpiece in Hadith discipline, imam Bukhari  became the invincible
scholar

 

on that regard. Well, he wasn't initially Arab. Nonetheless, he mastered

Arabic

and produced a wonderful textbook in its eloquent rhetoric. This

extraordinary

chef-d'oeuvre is broadly considered to be the top of major sunnah references

and the most authentic source of Islam after the Koran, known as, (Sahih

al-Bukhari). I hope we have a chance to introduce Islam to others as we see

it

and practice its tenets. I disregard a nasty version of Islam introduced by

people like Ali Sina, who is merely a hatemonger, uses defamation of Islam
to

 

bootlick westerns and gain dominance among them. Outspokenly, that's a major

threat, when working for hate, deceit, denouncement and deliberate

denigration

instantly becomes an emphatically recognised path to fame in the west.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

On 12/3/19, Ericka via Faith-Talk <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> Not all Christians are evangelists. I am Lutheran. We are asked not so

> much to shove Bible passages down peoples throats as to live our life

> according toChrists' example and teaching. The Bible to me is not

> something to be read literally and taken literally; it is a guidebook.

> Through the examples of those who have acted respectfully and not so

> respectfully we come to see ourselves in the Scriptures and learn how

> to handle situations in a way that respects all of his creation

> including the human beings on this earth. We are not called to be

> drunken, gluttonous, greedy, arrogant, and so on. If you look in

> Galatians for the fruits of the spirit, these are what we are called to

beat

> others and good suggestions to take care of yourself as well.

> It looks like cell control something you need to work on as I don't

> appreciate the rudeness you treated Adriana.

>

> God sent Jesus to us to free us from rules in the Old Testament since

> apparently people weren't understanding what God wanted us to act and why.

>

> Whether you're Jewish, Islamic or Christian etc. there are people who

> are go to humans and then there are bad ones. Islamic dictator is

> killing their own faithful is not any better than The Crusades. It's a

> humanity problem that we all struggle with so you can't blame our

> maker whether it be God as the Christian and see it, Allah, or the supreme

> being and so on. We screwup.

> Instead of dissecting everything, why don't we start looking at the

> common believes and bond together for a better world we have here too

> and have it rather than hurting others, just respecting others and

> either way not making our faiths look respectable.

>

> Ericka Nelson

>

>> On Dec 3, 2019, at 11:00 AM, Mustafa Almahdy via Faith-Talk

>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:

>>

>> ?Well, you're in hell as of being such a miserable failure, not able

>> to respond to my longly held debating challenge. As for good looking

>> women, that's the maximum rate of someone at your disposal. I don't

>> know about these things. But I know, that staring at women illicitly

>> is strictly prohibited in Islam. Now, as these evangelists who

>> cluselessly fend for your plainly hateful attitude may have noticed,

>> you're not proselytising  to their faith in any manner. You're just

>> spreading hate and deceit about Islam. Nonetheless, that seems to be

>> quite sufficient for them to unconsciously endorse you. I think we're

>> fully aware as of right now, who is truly detestable, despicable and

>> immensely hypocritical. I still want to know, where did you earn the

>> 100000$ which you sardonically offered from? Is working for

>> Islamophobia and hatefully relevant industries eminently so

>> profitable in western culture? As you're currently residing in the

>> region of southeastern Europe, I wonder, what are you doing there? As

>> Iranian based who has been extremely notorious of intently spreading

>> hate, I couldn't unveil the nature of your work. Where does it fill?

>> Ali Sina aims to provoke attenuated Muslims until they ultimately

>> apostate. Be that as it may, he doesn't care about what do they embrace

>> afterward.

>> Is he promoting western secularism? I wonder if he perhaps could

>> illustrate onto that. He says before that he is not an evangelist.

>> Fine, what is he then? As to the faith talk folks, well, someone

>> there has just told me, that I was demanded not to post to the list

anymore.

>> Well, excuse me but, this request clearly contradicts with an

>> explicit statement that belongs to the list's essential guidelines.

>> On your main info page, it says, "Persons of all faiths are welcome.

>> Feel free to post, and have fun!". That what does it state there, very

>> clearly.

>> You can go to the list's info page and verify this claim. So, you may

>> either remove the above statement and replace it with a statement

>> that informs all viewers, that this list is exclusively restricted to

>> Christian conversation and relevantly affiliated blindness interests.

>> Or, you may say, that each and everyone that is not believing

>> Christian is welcome to post except Muslims. We don't want them here

>> anymore. I bet you couldn't post such thing on your main page because

>> you will plainly violate allegedly embraced tenets of

>> multiculturalism and coexistence. No no, sure you could. Hasn't

>> Trump, master of peace and tolerance insistently declared such kind

>> remarks about Muslims in the States and other minorities? What

>> happened when I posted to the faith talk list stuff that may not

>> necessarily concur with their beliefs or convictions as of religious and

>> political orientation?

>> Well, they immediately banned me from posting to the list. In other

>> words, forcefully unsubscribed me. Well, if I will anyway be

>> ostracised because of my religious and political opinion, what is

>> then the proper use of the following statement? As quoted above, it

>> says on your main info page, "persons of all faiths are welcome." So,

>> it's either I am welcome or not welcome. I wonder if it could be

>> both? It could be, as long as I speak against my own religion to

>> please Americans, lords of the world. I unfortunately couldn't cope

>> with such demand. So, I hope the temperament of the list's owners is

>> clarified a bit. As for Ali Sina, good luck at your glorious journey

>> of courting gorgeous women.

>>

>>

>>

>>> On 12/2/19, FFI <faithfreedom2 at gmail.com> wrote:

>>> I am in Ukraine, If this is hell it is too cold this time of the year.

>>> But

>>> the women here are actually very very beautiful.  Nice hell.

>>>

>>> On Fri, Nov 29, 2019 at 9:45 PM Mustafa Almahdy

>>> <against.trump2001 at gmail.com>

>>> wrote:

>>>

>>>> For nearly three successive months, I have been persistently

>>>> challenging Ali Sina to enter in a debate with me about the filth

>>>> that he presumptuously writes about Islam. He obstinately calls the

>>>> lasciviously based soliloquy of his own sickened prejudice

>>>> worthwhile critique. He thence is afraid of venturing into this

>>>> altercating field, so he may not lose his averred credibility among

>>>> disinformed audience. He runs a vicious website entitled Ali Sina

>>>> dot org. At its inception he writes, everything you need to know

>>>> about Islam. He should have actually written, everything I intently

>>>> lie to you about Islam. He unfortunately takes advantage of

>>>> people's ignorance. He deliberately misleads his indoctrinated

>>>> viewers. On his detestable website, he often writes about

>>>> arbitrarily anonymous mortals who are allegedly Muslims. Therein,

>>>> they have supposedly sought his eminent advice which has led to

>>>> their ultimate apostasy. He evades conversing with me because I

massively

>>>> resemble a major threat to his reputation.

>>>> I discredited his character and have posed decisive rebuttals to

>>>> his truthiness. First off, why couldn't he release his accredited

>>>> credentials or whatever that might be? Second, does he know Arabic?

>>>> I previously demanded him to compose a basic sentence in Arabic,

>>>> but he just couldn't. Third, in his recent message to me, he asked

>>>> me to bring him someone to debate with, and he proposed to pay us

>>>> 100000$, arranged half to half, between me and the one that I will

>>>> bring. My question here is, why couldn't you just debate me for

>>>> free? And, where did you get all this money from? Is working in the

>>>> field of Islamophobia that profitable in the west? I hope he

>>>> bravely answers any of these critical questions. Now, to those who

>>>> purposely harbour such fugitives  and hatemongers, you must plainly

>>>> fathom, that the current situation won't ever be infinite in any

>>>> manner. I one day shall catch this Ali Sina and will then coerce

>>>> him into direct engagement, whereas people as of Muslims and others

>>>> alike can certainly see and judge. I genuinely believe that

>>>> attainting this person's competency is much worse than actually putting

>>>> him to death.

>>>> If you're truly a man, you may then accept debating me. As of right

>>>> now, he cowardly hides like a nasty mous. He is absolutely

>>>> terrified of being caught and exposed. Had he been confident of

>>>> himself, he would have then accepted my longly suspended debating

>>>> proposal. His financial offer etc is just an enact to deride and

>>>> avoid any potential confrontation. I, however, won't ever leave him

>>>> on his own. Even if he hides below the seventh ground, I will chase

>>>> him. I will keep beating him up until he is wholly destroyed. I

>>>> knew where do you currently reside in Europe. We're going to meet

>>>> soon, so watch out, son of Sina.,

>>>>

>>>

>>>

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>>> <http://www.faithfreedom.org>

>>>

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Message: 4

Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2019 23:30:18 -0500

From: andrew edgcumbe <rollercoasterman86 at gmail.com>

To: "Faith-talk, for the discussion of Blindness in faith and

  religion" <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>

Subject: Re: [Faith-Talk] Bethlehem avenue, Ali Sina, has failed and

  he is in hell

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Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"

 

well i agree with Joy. this is not the list to discuss believs i

thought this list was here to discuss blindness and issues blind

people have within church not beliefs as such.  by looks of it you

sent this essage to some of your contacts and included it in  the

group within that contact list.  Either Jesus says  is who he says or

he is a lyer and we have wasted our time in our churches worshiping a

false  God. The thing is this we are not to hate one another nor put

people down.

 

On 12/4/19, BRUCE&JOY BRESLAUER via Faith-Talk <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
wrote:

> Mustafa,

>

> I will say what I have to say, and then I will not engage with you further


>

> We are not the Western media.  We are a group of blind people here to

> discuss

> how blindness affects our lives as religious participants.  Sometimes the

> discussion does stray into religious beliefs, but we are not here to bash

> one

> another or to put one another down.  Many of us on this list are

Christians,

>

> but the purpose of this list is not to debate religion.  We are not here
to

>

> spread hatred or vitriol.  This is not the list to discuss your opinion of

> someone else's beliefs.  If you were truly interested in discussing

religion

>

> calmly and rationally, that might be one thing.  We believe what we
believe

> and

> you believe what you believe, and we will never agree.  You believe that

> what

> you believe is correct, and so do we.  So do adherents of every religion
or

>

> nonreligion.  We can't all be right.  Two opposing views cannot both be

> true.

> The Bible says that Jesus said, "before Abraham was, I am," so he predates

> Mohammed and everyone else.  (John 8:58.)  There is nothing to debate.  I

> would

> rather go through my life and die believing what I believe.  If I am wrong


>

> then I lose everything.  If I am right, then I gain everything.  I will

> gladly

> take the risk.  What about you?

>

> I'm sure you know that there are Christians and then there are Christians,

> just

> like there are Moslems and Moslems.  Some are strident and hateful, some

are

>

> not.  We are all learning and striving to be better, especially if we live

a

>

> life of prayer and contemplation, read the Scriptures, and exhibit the

> fruits

> of the Spirit to others: love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness,

> faithfulness, gentleness, and self-control. (Galatians 5: 22-23.)  These

are

>

> not things I can conjure up on my own; they are the result of living the

> life

> of a connected branch.  (John 15:5.) Without being connected to that

> life-giving vine, I can do nothing.  I do not have the right to be

> judgmental,

> but I do have the right to be a fruit inspector. (Matthew 7:15-20.)  What
I

> see

> is not a matter of my opinion; it is self-evident.  That is something you

> and

> Allah will have to come to terms with at some point.

>

> Many awful things have been done in the name of religion, every religion.

> That

> is not an excuse, it is a fact.

>

> Jesus willingly gave up His deity to come to earth as a man, to live among

> us

> for a time, to be crucified for our sins, and to rise from the dead

> victorious

> over sin and death.  He had to do it because no one else could.  No one

else

> is

> pure enough, only God.  No one else is sinless--not you, not me, not

> Mohammed.

> Mohammed did not rise from the dead to eternal life.  Jesus did.  He said

He

>

> would, and  that is why He came.  The tomb was sealed and guarded to

prevent

>

> His getting out, and no one could believe it when He actually did.  Women

> spread the news, which was contrary to the culture of the day.  This is
all

>

> fact, not conjecture.  He appeared to many people afterwards, hundreds at
a

>

> time, so they couldn't continue with the conspiracy theories that maybe

> somebody stole the body.  The tomb was empty and the burial clothes were

> still

> there, wrapped up like a body was still in them.  People saw Him, complete

> with

> the nail prints in His hands and feet and the wound in His side.  They

wrote

>

> down what they saw.  God's foolishness is wiser than man's wisdom.  (1

> Corinthians 1:25.)

>

> So the bottom line is, what will you do with this Jesus?  Either He is who

> He

> says He is, or he is a liar, or he is crazy.  If you truly search the

> Scriptures with an open mind and heart, you will find out which is true.

>

> Joy

> -----Original Message-----

> From: Faith-Talk <faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Mustafa

> Almahdy

> via Faith-Talk

> Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2019 2:21 PM

> To: faith-talk at nfbnet.org

> Cc: Mustafa Almahdy <against.trump2001 at gmail.com>; rickevans5 at gmail.com;

> tingram at hbbc.org; debbiedrylie at gmail.com; moore at donaldmoore.org;

> erickelly at bellsouth.net; dlgoza at jeffersonbaptist.org

> Subject: Re: [Faith-Talk] Bethlehem avenue, Ali Sina, has failed and he is

> in

> hell

>

> Well obviously, I knew who Lutherans are. The cardinal doctrine of

> justifying

> faith alone is not sufficient for me. I don't recall that I have spoken

> rudely

> to someone though. I am just asking for some proper equity, as Islam is

> being

> brought to discussion or even critique in western media. When doing so,

it's

>

> constantly subjected to unfavourable judgement. It isn't fair at all, to

> intently insist to misportray Islam and its tenets through introducing it

to

>

> the masses by intense haters, unjust viewers. Ali Sina deceives westerns

> when

> he tells them, that Islam couldn't cope with modern western fundamentals.

> Well, this isn't quite precise, critical or even transpicuous. Ali Sina is

> notoriously dishonest about everything related to Islam.

> Through eight consecutive centuries, Andalusian          Muslim

> civilisation has contributed distinctly outstanding breakthroughs to

> untutored

> Medieval denizens. So, Islam encourages its embracers to ponder,
contribute

> and

> explore. Nonetheless, for the past 200 years, Muslims haven't invented

> anything

> useful to either themselves or others. Thence, they reached the back of
the

>

> caravan and became such backward, influenced, defeated and manipulated

> nation.

> The Koran told Muslims, that they're the best of people, as long as they

> enjoin

> good, forbid evil and believe in God. So, if they failed to fulfill any of

> these terms, they're then no longer the best of people. One of the main

> reasons

> for which I love Islam so much, is the fact that it is the only faith on

> earth

> which criticises its own followers if they failed to maintain the
competent

>

> status of proper religious tenets.

> Adhereing  certain concepts doesn't guarantee its believing individuals a

> blank

> check to heaven. There is no such thing in Islam.

> Islam advocates for a global vision of substantial reform in all life

> aspects.

> Therefore, despite anyone's ethnic affiliation, as long as he is firmly

> loyal

> to Islam, he could be the best of and even, at the top of its scholarship.

> So

> for instance, despite his enormously extraneous origin, for his uniquely

> masterpiece in Hadith discipline, imam Bukhari  became the invincible

> scholar

> on that regard. Well, he wasn't initially Arab. Nonetheless, he mastered

> Arabic

> and produced a wonderful textbook in its eloquent rhetoric. This

> extraordinary

> chef-d'oeuvre is broadly considered to be the top of major sunnah

references

>

> and the most authentic source of Islam after the Koran, known as, (Sahih

> al-Bukhari). I hope we have a chance to introduce Islam to others as we
see

> it

> and practice its tenets. I disregard a nasty version of Islam introduced
by

>

> people like Ali Sina, who is merely a hatemonger, uses defamation of Islam

> to

> bootlick westerns and gain dominance among them. Outspokenly, that's a

major

>

> threat, when working for hate, deceit, denouncement and deliberate

> denigration

> instantly becomes an emphatically recognised path to fame in the west.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> On 12/3/19, Ericka via Faith-Talk <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:

>> Not all Christians are evangelists. I am Lutheran. We are asked not so

>> much to shove Bible passages down peoples throats as to live our life

>> according toChrists' example and teaching. The Bible to me is not

>> something to be read literally and taken literally; it is a guidebook.

>> Through the examples of those who have acted respectfully and not so

>> respectfully we come to see ourselves in the Scriptures and learn how

>> to handle situations in a way that respects all of his creation

>> including the human beings on this earth. We are not called to be

>> drunken, gluttonous, greedy, arrogant, and so on. If you look in

>> Galatians for the fruits of the spirit, these are what we are called to

>> beat

>> others and good suggestions to take care of yourself as well.

>> It looks like cell control something you need to work on as I don't

>> appreciate the rudeness you treated Adriana.

>>

>> God sent Jesus to us to free us from rules in the Old Testament since

>> apparently people weren't understanding what God wanted us to act and

>> why.

>>

>> Whether you're Jewish, Islamic or Christian etc. there are people who

>> are go to humans and then there are bad ones. Islamic dictator is

>> killing their own faithful is not any better than The Crusades. It's a

>> humanity problem that we all struggle with so you can't blame our

>> maker whether it be God as the Christian and see it, Allah, or the
supreme

>>

>> being and so on. We screwup.

>> Instead of dissecting everything, why don't we start looking at the

>> common believes and bond together for a better world we have here too

>> and have it rather than hurting others, just respecting others and

>> either way not making our faiths look respectable.

>>

>> Ericka Nelson

>>

>>> On Dec 3, 2019, at 11:00 AM, Mustafa Almahdy via Faith-Talk

>>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:

>>>

>>> ?Well, you're in hell as of being such a miserable failure, not able

>>> to respond to my longly held debating challenge. As for good looking

>>> women, that's the maximum rate of someone at your disposal. I don't

>>> know about these things. But I know, that staring at women illicitly

>>> is strictly prohibited in Islam. Now, as these evangelists who

>>> cluselessly fend for your plainly hateful attitude may have noticed,

>>> you're not proselytising  to their faith in any manner. You're just

>>> spreading hate and deceit about Islam. Nonetheless, that seems to be

>>> quite sufficient for them to unconsciously endorse you. I think we're

>>> fully aware as of right now, who is truly detestable, despicable and

>>> immensely hypocritical. I still want to know, where did you earn the

>>> 100000$ which you sardonically offered from? Is working for

>>> Islamophobia and hatefully relevant industries eminently so

>>> profitable in western culture? As you're currently residing in the

>>> region of southeastern Europe, I wonder, what are you doing there? As

>>> Iranian based who has been extremely notorious of intently spreading

>>> hate, I couldn't unveil the nature of your work. Where does it fill?

>>> Ali Sina aims to provoke attenuated Muslims until they ultimately

>>> apostate. Be that as it may, he doesn't care about what do they embrace

>>> afterward.

>>> Is he promoting western secularism? I wonder if he perhaps could

>>> illustrate onto that. He says before that he is not an evangelist.

>>> Fine, what is he then? As to the faith talk folks, well, someone

>>> there has just told me, that I was demanded not to post to the list

>>> anymore.

>>> Well, excuse me but, this request clearly contradicts with an

>>> explicit statement that belongs to the list's essential guidelines.

>>> On your main info page, it says, "Persons of all faiths are welcome.

>>> Feel free to post, and have fun!". That what does it state there, very

>>> clearly.

>>> You can go to the list's info page and verify this claim. So, you may

>>> either remove the above statement and replace it with a statement

>>> that informs all viewers, that this list is exclusively restricted to

>>> Christian conversation and relevantly affiliated blindness interests.

>>> Or, you may say, that each and everyone that is not believing

>>> Christian is welcome to post except Muslims. We don't want them here

>>> anymore. I bet you couldn't post such thing on your main page because

>>> you will plainly violate allegedly embraced tenets of

>>> multiculturalism and coexistence. No no, sure you could. Hasn't

>>> Trump, master of peace and tolerance insistently declared such kind

>>> remarks about Muslims in the States and other minorities? What

>>> happened when I posted to the faith talk list stuff that may not

>>> necessarily concur with their beliefs or convictions as of religious and

>>>

>>> political orientation?

>>> Well, they immediately banned me from posting to the list. In other

>>> words, forcefully unsubscribed me. Well, if I will anyway be

>>> ostracised because of my religious and political opinion, what is

>>> then the proper use of the following statement? As quoted above, it

>>> says on your main info page, "persons of all faiths are welcome." So,

>>> it's either I am welcome or not welcome. I wonder if it could be

>>> both? It could be, as long as I speak against my own religion to

>>> please Americans, lords of the world. I unfortunately couldn't cope

>>> with such demand. So, I hope the temperament of the list's owners is

>>> clarified a bit. As for Ali Sina, good luck at your glorious journey

>>> of courting gorgeous women.

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>> On 12/2/19, FFI <faithfreedom2 at gmail.com> wrote:

>>>> I am in Ukraine, If this is hell it is too cold this time of the year.

>>>> But

>>>> the women here are actually very very beautiful.  Nice hell.

>>>>

>>>> On Fri, Nov 29, 2019 at 9:45 PM Mustafa Almahdy

>>>> <against.trump2001 at gmail.com>

>>>> wrote:

>>>>

>>>>> For nearly three successive months, I have been persistently

>>>>> challenging Ali Sina to enter in a debate with me about the filth

>>>>> that he presumptuously writes about Islam. He obstinately calls the

>>>>> lasciviously based soliloquy of his own sickened prejudice

>>>>> worthwhile critique. He thence is afraid of venturing into this

>>>>> altercating field, so he may not lose his averred credibility among

>>>>> disinformed audience. He runs a vicious website entitled Ali Sina

>>>>> dot org. At its inception he writes, everything you need to know

>>>>> about Islam. He should have actually written, everything I intently

>>>>> lie to you about Islam. He unfortunately takes advantage of

>>>>> people's ignorance. He deliberately misleads his indoctrinated

>>>>> viewers. On his detestable website, he often writes about

>>>>> arbitrarily anonymous mortals who are allegedly Muslims. Therein,

>>>>> they have supposedly sought his eminent advice which has led to

>>>>> their ultimate apostasy. He evades conversing with me because I

>>>>> massively

>>>>> resemble a major threat to his reputation.

>>>>> I discredited his character and have posed decisive rebuttals to

>>>>> his truthiness. First off, why couldn't he release his accredited

>>>>> credentials or whatever that might be? Second, does he know Arabic?

>>>>> I previously demanded him to compose a basic sentence in Arabic,

>>>>> but he just couldn't. Third, in his recent message to me, he asked

>>>>> me to bring him someone to debate with, and he proposed to pay us

>>>>> 100000$, arranged half to half, between me and the one that I will

>>>>> bring. My question here is, why couldn't you just debate me for

>>>>> free? And, where did you get all this money from? Is working in the

>>>>> field of Islamophobia that profitable in the west? I hope he

>>>>> bravely answers any of these critical questions. Now, to those who

>>>>> purposely harbour such fugitives  and hatemongers, you must plainly

>>>>> fathom, that the current situation won't ever be infinite in any

>>>>> manner. I one day shall catch this Ali Sina and will then coerce

>>>>> him into direct engagement, whereas people as of Muslims and others

>>>>> alike can certainly see and judge. I genuinely believe that

>>>>> attainting this person's competency is much worse than actually
putting

>>>>>

>>>>> him to death.

>>>>> If you're truly a man, you may then accept debating me. As of right

>>>>> now, he cowardly hides like a nasty mous. He is absolutely

>>>>> terrified of being caught and exposed. Had he been confident of

>>>>> himself, he would have then accepted my longly suspended debating

>>>>> proposal. His financial offer etc is just an enact to deride and

>>>>> avoid any potential confrontation. I, however, won't ever leave him

>>>>> on his own. Even if he hides below the seventh ground, I will chase

>>>>> him. I will keep beating him up until he is wholly destroyed. I

>>>>> knew where do you currently reside in Europe. We're going to meet

>>>>> soon, so watch out, son of Sina.,

>>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

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