[Faith-Talk] Christ in truth

[Bill Outman]

Well, I would say that while the direct words of Jesus are important, the whole of scripture is valuable to get the full picture. John 1 begins by saying “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the word was God.” The chapterlater discusses how the Word was made flesh and dwelt among us. Admittedly there is some mystery as there is a moment where Jesus says only the Father knows the time of his second coming and not he himselff, which causes some problems about how to describe the nature of the Trinity. The best we may be able to do is to say the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are aspects or personalities withing the collective whole of God. 
We are all entitled to our views and to follow the path we feel holds the most truth, realizing our knowledge is finite and God will be the final judge.
It is good for us to ponder this from time to time, so long as the discussion does not become harsh. 
May God bless each and every one’s search for truth. 
Bill Outman 


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> On Nov 30, 2019, at 5:52 AM, Mustafa Almahdy via Faith-Talk <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> On each and every Sunday, Christians around the world gather at
> Churches to glorify Christ. They consider him deified. Nonetheless, he
> never expressed that about himself explicitly. It is immensely
> perilous to lay Christians to dig into the Bible themselves because
> it's most unlikely that they'll find Jesus enjoining people to worship
> him. There are two main set of statements regarding Jesus's
> phraseology in the scripture. Explicit and implicit statements. What
> is an explicit statement? It is what has been stated plainly, readily
> observable, leaving nothing to implication. Such as Jesus saying in
> John 3:17:; "Now this is eternal life, that they know you, the only
> true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent." So here, Jesus
> clearly acknowledges divinity and monotheism to the One and true God
> and declares himself being sent by Him to convey His message to
> people. Then, we have implicit statements, whereas some of them are
> allegedly attributed to Jesus or possibly misconstrued by some
> apologists for essentially systematic theology motives. Such as Jesus
> saying in John 10:30; "I and the Father are one". Christian apologists
> assert he has meant they are one in entity while the text
> presumptively entails they are one in identity. Another instance,
> where Jesus explicitly distinguishes between himself and God. Jesus
> says in John 8:40; "As it is, you are looking for a way to kill me, a
> man who has told you the truth that I heard from God." According to
> the Bible you wholly hold up to, this was Jesus speaking to the Jews.
> This particular passage has three crucial messages to catch. First
> off, Jesus declared that Jews attempted to kill him. Thence, I
> actually don't fathom the awkward relationship today between those who
> allegedly are the followers of Jesus and those who, according to
> scripture, were sternly hostile to him. Second, Jesus unambiguously
> stated that he is a man who heard the word of God and destined to pass
> it through to people. He didn't say I am God in man incarnate or any
> of that. So, the personification of the divine in the character of
> Jesus is a later developed doctrine called the Hypostatic union. It is
> interesting to note, that historically, this particular doctrine has
> only been prefaced at the Council of Chalcedon in the year (451).
> Consequently, it is demonstratively fallacious to embrace such tenet
> as it has been decisively probed to be absolutely mendacious.
> Moreover, according to your own version of the Bible, in English, the
> description of Jesus's mission precisely befits the definition of
> prophethood in Islam. Third, Jesus says he heard the truth from God.
> So, what is it? It is the message that he plainly stated in John 3:17
> as quoted above. Furthermore, Jesus spoke the truth as he delivered
> the message to a tremendous croud as he uttered a magnanimous speech
> known biblically as sermon on the mount. In this major discourse, he
> taught the public what is biblically known as the Lord's prayer. If
> you Read this, while parallelly citing the opening of the Koran
> translated into English, you will discover a gravely unexpected
> similarity. I won't be taken aback, because it is yet the same message
> of Monotheism. Jesus implored to God. If he was himself God, it would
> have been quite irrational of Jesus praying to himself. I urge
> pastoral staff and their loyally fellow congregants, to unfeignedly
> seek the truth regarding Jesus's solely spoken word in the Gospel.
> Trust me, after I read the Bible many times, my faith and conviction
> of Islam being the true pathway to the celestial realm has
> strengthened leastwise two fold. I do hope that you find this message
> to you encouraging not frustrating. It is not my nature to deride or
> marginalise someone's belief. Please, read the whole gospel and
> earnestly seek to find what Jesus says in it. I do not recognise the
> words spoken by Paul or others about Jesus. I only care about what was
> directly spoken by Jesus. The essence of this message is quite plain.
> Find the truth and stick to it. I wholeheartedly say to you, If I knew
> that Christianity is indeed the truth and only path to salvation, I
> would have unhesitatingly embraced it. This is not a joke nor it bears
> to be.
> 
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