[Faith-Talk] serving and connection

Sun Aug 11 00:53:18 UTC 2024

Hi, Ericka and Andrew,

Andrew, not doing anything at all is guaranteed to get you nowhere.  So what do you want to do about that?

The most competent, independent, wealthiest, smartest, prettiest, handsomest is going to run into discouragement, people who don't understand us, so the idea is to go for the ones who do.

Life takes work, but it is well worth it.
Judy

“Embrace each day with His mercies and blessings.”

-----Original Message-----
From: Faith-Talk <faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of andrew edgcumbe via Faith-Talk
Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2024 5:40 PM
To: Faith-talk, for the discussion of Blindness in faith and religion <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
Cc: andrew edgcumbe <rollercoasterman86 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Faith-Talk] serving and connection

Hi Erica that is what I am afraid of no matter how much I advocate i still
don't know that it will get me anywhere i am afraid even advocating won't
work where I am especially if people are from the old ages that is what I
am afraid of becu because while technology has come a long ways  still we
got people who have hung on to the thought that  xyz person can't do stuff
or can't do things. I am u just afraid of that sometimes it is easier even
if my spelling and stuff is off course or off  or imcomplete sentences
still right person if they are truly interested in me helping out or stuff
they would still take it seriously like meet with me at very least.

On Sat, Aug 10, 2024 at 5:24 PM Ericka via Faith-Talk <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
wrote:

> Andrew, Ashley has some really good advice for you. And my offer still
> stands the Chad and I will talk to you at night and support you. We are
> also Ham Radio operators. That’s another way to get confidence talking to
> people in general. They can’t see you and they don’t know you’re blind.
> HANDIHAM which you can search for information can help you obtain your
> license. I do not think there are restrictions to just assisting people in
> the USA. There are low cost ways to get the amateur radio and other things
> you need.
>
> It really bothers me a lot that they said you could not volunteer in a
> nursing home. As a former activity assistant for years and years, that rubs
> me the wrong way majorly. I would’ve seen you as an asset. Sure you can’t
> see, but you can still talk and your ears work. There’s a lot of things
> that an activity assistant can use you for and I don’t understand. It
> sounds a lot like they don’t care what you say you if you did advocate
> really well for your willingness to help. .
>
> After we talk to you, we’ll do whatever we can to help. Many here know who
> I am, though I’ve been kind of hiding lately. It’s perfectly OK to be
> blind, and I am sad to hear that your community doesn’t realize that. As
> our pastor says, people miss read those Statements in the Bible and stories
> vote and relating to disabilities. Jesus wasn’t just picking them out to
> heal and take care of. He was also showcasing who was the more appreciative
> and faithful of his followers. We are the ones that many times have a
> deeper connection to Christ , and have a better way of showing it than
> those who are “hole” in their eyes. What’s in the heart is what makes you
> complete, not the body itself.
>
>
> Ericka Nelson
>
>
> > On Aug 10, 2024, at 1:38 AM, Ashley Bramlett via Faith-Talk <
> faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> > That is too bad you did not feel too included as a Christian teenager.
> > Well, its too bad you did not have your mom or family member advocate.
> > It sounds like the adult leaders had misconceptions and did not seek to
> educate themselves about inclusion and that is real sad.
> >
> > When I was in youth groups, I did most things but not other activities.
> Like you though, I went to because I wanted to be out of the house and my
> parents just said it was available and I should go like my brothers did.
> > I think they told the youth group leaders about sighted guide and to
> describe things to me such as when they served dinner or snacks to tell me
> the options before serving me; but not too much else.
> > I was finding myself as a teen like all other teens and did not know all
> of what I needed but did do some advocating.
> >
> > If the group did sports, I was left out, but for most activities, I went
> to them. It was a long time ago so I do not even remember what we did. I
> think we did some prayer, stories, drama, simply socializing, and singing.
> We also had some fun outings and some I attended such as bowling.
> > I have some memories of youth retreats too.
> > The adult leaders did accommodate me sometimes.
> > At the time I did not have a braille Bible so when we did our Bible
> story time, I think one of the leaders read to me.
> > Much of the retreat was to hang out and talk and have plenty of food. I
> remember having a good time overall.
> >
> > I think you need to advocate for yourself! Maybe you can find other
> friends with your same disability to hang out. In my area, there are day
> programs for people with developmental disabilities so maybe try to find
> one. If you use a Ipad or Iphone, there are apps to chat with people who
> share your interests such as the clubhouse app. Oh and there is discord
> too. Not the same as a real place to hang out but it would give you the
> connection to talk to people.
> >
> > You can certainly go to adventure activities such as amusement parks,
> Andrew!
> > In my area there are clubs for that. There is a hiking club and a
> running club and some others. Maybe try finding a club to do this with.
> > Just go sighted guide and have someone tell you the rides they see
> around and pick some to go on. Its fun.
> >
> > If someone told you that you cannot work with the elderly, that is real
> discriminatory and you should absolutely not have to bring someone with you
> to perform that task of being a friendly visitor.
> >
> > Finally, you can certainly do hands on activities. I do not know what is
> stopping you still. I just think you lack self confidence.
> > So, look for a service project and go for it. Fill out the applications
> and steps for it and go for it.
> > If they tell you no, go to the head of the organization. If no
> resolution, if it were me, I'd blast them! I'd go to the media, write
> letters to the editor about me being barred from serving and working for no
> money expected, and then get the equivalent of NFB involved. I know you
> have something like the NFB in Canada
> >
> > I've not done much hands on work and moving around tables and chairs,
> but I know blind people who did do it. I also have heard of several blind
> people doing it from NFB articles and lists.
> > You could serve on a house project with the equivalent of Habitat for
> Humanity. You could serve at a soup kitchen. Some nonprofits here have
> projects to move in donated furniture and beautify houses and you could do
> that.
> > I'm sure your country has something similar.
> > Blind people have done these things. Just have someone show you what to
> do. If its hands on work, that can be done by touching the tools. You could
> perhaps start by organizing items or participating by handing group members
> tools or help lifting things assuming you have the strength to do it. For
> instance, if you are bringing in supplies to repair something in a home,
> you can help carry it and unload supplies.
> > If you go on a campfire outing and you want to help get the fire ready,
> carry the supplies over for it.
> >
> > These service projects are doable and you should not be stopped. I'll
> send a few links to articles about people serving in ministry to help the
> homeless and other vonerable populations.
> >
> > I have some vision and use a cane. So,  I have to first tell them a
> little about what I do not see since I look normal. Sometimes it seems like
> totally blind people are accepted less. If you have blindisms, like
> rocking, try to stop. That is off putting to people.
> >
> > It can be done. These articles speak of overcoming the misconceptions
> other sighted people had but they did it and participated.
> >
> > HTH,
> > Ashley
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Faith-Talk <faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of andrew
> edgcumbe via Faith-Talk
> > Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2024 1:20 AM
> > To: Faith-talk, for the discussion of Blindness in faith and religion <
> faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
> > Cc: andrew edgcumbe <rollercoasterman86 at gmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Faith-Talk] serving and connection
> >
> > I have even asked my mom and stuff about vollunteer opportunities and
> she has no idea's for me either.
> > I did go to youth groups and stuff earlier and I like Ashley was left
> out of some activities in fact I was all by myself when they went to play
> their games in the Gym.
> > They often didn't include me in much but i still went to get out of the
> house.
> >
> > I also asked some young people to hang with me as well at times and i
> always found that they just didn't seem to want to and it was like  they
> didn't care to hang with me.
> >
> > People don't seem to want to do much with me I don't know if it is
> because they trh think they need to help me or they think there is  or it
> is to complicated to hang out with a blind person I just don't know what it
> is.
> >
> > or if it is because people don't want to deal with those with
> disabilities.
> >
> >
> >
> >> On Fri, Aug 9, 2024 at 11:45 PM Brian Hatgelakas via Faith-Talk <
> faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >>
> >> you said it 100 percent correctly!
> >>
> >> On Fri, Aug 9, 2024 at 11:15 PM Ashley Bramlett via Faith-Talk <
> >> faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hi,
> >>> It sounds like you are lonely.
> >>> It sounds like you want someone to assist you with walking and
> >>> getting
> >> out
> >>> in the community for fitness participation and social activities.
> >>> I'm going to a church with my dad which is also small and most
> >>> members
> >> are
> >>> older or maybe adults middle age with families.
> >>>
> >>> I have not exactly asked to serve but I suspect they would be fine
> >>> with most activities. I have considered helping out with the youth
> >>> group.
> >>>
> >>> I am also seeking a fitness buddy to have nature walks with or
> >>> simple
> >> trail
> >>> walking or tandem biking.
> >>> But, so far I did not find anyone. I asked our nearest chapter of
> >> Achilles
> >>> international, dc chapter,
> >>> But did not find anyone; no response yet.
> >>> So, I know what you mean about needing a guide to do activities with
> >>> and finding no one. I can and do exercise alone at a gym such as by
> >>> using the seated bikes or treadmills but I do so much desire to do
> >>> some outside
> >> walks
> >>> or biking and go with someone so I can focus on the walk and
> >>> exercise,
> >> not
> >>> my mobility skills.
> >>> I also want more social connections either from the church or
> elsewhere.
> >>>
> >>> It sounds like you have other disabilities given how this is written
> >>> and how you write here. I do not know your full situation. I'm just
> >>> speculating.
> >>> It would be helpful to know what you really mean. So far your emails
> >>> are vague saying that You simply are not accepted and you are not
> >>> finding connections.
> >>> What do you want to do? Some examples? What were some things you
> >>> tried
> >> and
> >>> were rejected from?
> >>> Saying you have lack of opportunity does not tell us much.
> >>>
> >>> I do not mean to be critical but you have written things like this
> >>> before and it comes up year after year.
> >>> Only by getting specific can we help some.
> >>>
> >>> Writing things like this
> >>> " It is like people have been so hazatant to do anything or to
> >>> support me or help me find those opportunities either as part of a
> >>> church or even ministry and stuff like that."
> >>> Does not say much.
> >>>
> >>> Have you tried finding connections through a community website? Here
> >>> we have www.meetup.com, but I'm not sure you have that.
> >>> I've not used this myself, but I know it's a way to find groups to
> >>> meet
> >> up
> >>> with.
> >>>
> >>> I do hope you find something. If there is a Christian ministry for
> >>> the blind in Canada where you are, maybe you can help them, even if
> >>> its remotely.
> >>> Here in the USA we have Christian Record Services and Lutheran
> >>> Braille Workers; both are far from my home of VA but I've considered
> >>> trying to do something with them  remotely. Maybe writing something
> >>> or conducting something over a video platform like zoom.
> >>>
> >>> You have to educate people about your abilities too. You may not be
> >>> asked to help as they do not know what you can do or how you can do
> >>> it, so do educate them.
> >>>
> >>> Anyways, with more specifics, maybe we can give more suggestions.
> >>>
> >>> Ashley
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: Faith-Talk <faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of andrew
> >>> edgcumbe via Faith-Talk
> >>> Sent: Friday, August 9, 2024 10:27 PM
> >>> To: Faith-talk, for the discussion of faith and religion
> >>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
> >>> Cc: andrew edgcumbe <rollercoasterman86 at gmail.com>
> >>> Subject: [Faith-Talk] serving and connection
> >>>
> >>> Hi
> >>> My name is Andrew for those who don't know me.
> >>>
> >>> I have just had struggle after struggle with  just being able to
> >>> serve as part of a church body and stuff like that other then maybe
> >>> music and
> >> stuff
> >>> like that.
> >>> To me the experience is they don't know what to do with me because
> >>> of my blindness and stuff like that.
> >>> It is like people have been so hazatant to do anything or to support
> >>> me
> >> or
> >>> help me find those opportunities either as part of a church or even
> >>> ministry and stuff like that.
> >>> The answer I always get is just pray about it while we should do
> >>> that
> >> and i
> >>> been doing that all along but faith should be followed up by action
> >>> to
> >> and
> >>> stuff like that.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> While I don't know other area's speciffically my church is a very
> >>> small church so it is limited but I want to find christian
> >>> ministries who actually let blind people serve even if it is from
> >>> home or some other way.
> >>>
> >>> The other area is that i have trouble making connections that really
> >> foster
> >>> into more then just sunday morning fellowship.
> >>> I have tried to find hiking partners and finding other things.
> >>> i reached out to couple of the other churches for walking buddies
> >>> and
> >> stuff
> >>> like that and just other people whom perhaps i can really make
> >>> connection with from a church to do coffee with or do other things
> >>> with and I don't know they are afraid of the fact i am blind I don't
> know what it is.
> >>> I just been really looking for answers as to what to do with myself
> >>> like
> >> i
> >>> have few people in building i connect with but they have
> >>> disabilities
> >> that
> >>> keep them from doing walks with me or  other adventures I would like
> >>> to
> >> be
> >>> able to go on and stuff like that.
> >>>
> >>> I struggle making connection through or  church or community  like I
> >>> said even a buddy of mine has tried to talk to t others about
> >>> others about walking with me or what not but there is great
> >>> hazatation and never had
> >> any
> >>> luck weather it is walking or ki hiking and stuff like that.  or
> >>> even people to really connect with.
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