[Faith-Talk] serving and connection

Sun Aug 11 02:13:49 UTC 2024

I can't get people or find people who will go into a nursing home with me.
that is when ever i have tried to do that.
i started off that way years and years ago then did some  on my own but the
staff brought out the residence though to visit with.

I do read braille but only read grade 1 braille.

I have met blind people in Canada that told me canada is behind in their
technology and tools for the blind.

I read bible but not very often it is hard for me to get into a rutein I
often don't get up right away in morning and don't have that morning rutein
because some days i felt like there is nothing for me to get up out of bed
in order to do. some days I just want to sleep all the time.

On Sat, Aug 10, 2024 at 9:59 PM Ericka via Faith-Talk <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
wrote:

> You have the right attitude, Ashley. I know I’ve spoken to you before.
> I’ve done everything in different churches over my 50+ years. I taught
> Sunday school. I’ve got adult Bible study. I’ve been asked to be on church
> council more than once. I’ve read scripture during the service. I have Done
> the children’s sermon. I sung in the choir. I’ve usher. I’ve helped run
> vacation Bible school.
>
> It is my choice currently to just help with communion every week. I did
> not do these things because I thought I couldn’t. I certainly had people
> who thought I couldn’t. I started out as a greeter. I was inquire when I
> was a kid because we didn’t have a youth group at that time. I did get to
> read, a prayer once in front of everyone. But I was not involved as much in
> church besides Sunday school as the rest of you.
>
> I have done a lot of volunteering. And it’s OK to volunteer and have
> someone else with you. Especially in the beginning because you wouldn’t
> know where the rooms are and people can introduce you to residence. Why
> don’t you go back to that nursing home and say I would like to visit with
> residence And I have Braille playing cards to play whatever game you want.
> Then when they see what you can do, you don’t have to use words cause
> actions are more remembered. Volunteering isn’t a stressful because easy to
> walk away from if it gets too frustrating and if you have a medical issue,
> they’re more understanding.  Can’t fly solo right away. Even the baby birds
> fly with mama for a while before they take that first solo flight.
> Ericka Nelson
>
>
> > On Aug 10, 2024, at 7:51 PM, Ashley Bramlett via Faith-Talk <
> faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >
> > Hello,
> > Well said Linda!
> > I like your idea of that Psalm and it really proves you know the Bible
> and the word of God!
> > Amen to that!
> > To Andrew, please combine your email thoughts into one or two emails.
> Please stop cluttering our inboxes. ?Do you realize how many emails you
> wrote over the past two days? It would be different if you actually said
> something articulate and understandable and new each email but you have not.
> >
> > I think Andrew's strong feelings and maybe mild depression coupled with
> his developmental
> > Disability have made him feel this way. I have given many suggestions.
> My top two suggestions are advocate better to the church by meeting with
> leadership to express your willingness to be involved and what you need
> from them to be included in the church ministry.
> > The next suggestion is to pray about it and think about your own talents
> and skills. You have to know what you want to do before you can go do it.
> >
> > If you tell us the province you live in or a better idea of where you
> are, maybe we can help you research things to locate services.
> >
> > Its obvious that Andrew is hurt based on  rejection and exclusion of
> past opportunities. But currently, you have to channel those feelings into
> something empowering instead to get anywhere.
> > If you just go on down feelings, you get no where. I know, I've had my
> bad days too and often face barriers feeling the world is against me.
> Everytime I encounter an inaccessible part of a website, feelings come.
> Every time I get rejected from employment, I feel that way.
> > Andrew, even during the end of the pandemic as restrictions were being
> lifted and they had more in person activities with precautions like
> masking, I applied for employment as a summer camp assistant for teens and
> also applied to a senior center to be an activity facilitator.
> > I was interviewed. But then was not picked to get a job. I felt hurt. I
> wondered why God had created me and felt down and rejected; I told God I
> needed some real opportunities and prayed for something to come up.
> > I stopped looking for a while.
> >
> > In the fall, I plan to pursue both volunteer positions and part time
> employment once again. If I need to volunteer to gain experience and I am
> accepted, I will do it. If someone hires me though, even better.
> >
> > To all the listers here who wrote great ideas, thanks. This is a helpful
> discussion to me as well because I might want to be involved in a ministry
> of some sort and its nice to know some of you are actively involved.
> >
> > Take care all.
> >
> > Ashley
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Faith-Talk <faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Linda
> Mentink via Faith-Talk
> > Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2024 7:36 PM
> > To: andrew edgcumbe via Faith-Talk <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
> > Cc: Linda Mentink <lmentink7360 at gmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Faith-Talk] serving and connection
> >
> > Hi Andrew,
> >
> > There you go again, going on your feelings. You know very well that you
> are something to God. Please read and meditate upon Psalm 139. You are
> created in the image of God. Does that make you nothing to Him? I think not.
> >
> > We have all tried to help you on this list in the past few hours—almost
> a day, and all you can do is accuse us of judging you! If that's how you
> treat those with whom you are in contact, it's no wonder they think you're
> helpless and they don't want you to serve anywhere! I have nothing else to
> say to you right now. I'm shocked and disappointed that you have acted the
> way you have with us who have been trying to help you. We don't know you
> and you don't know us, except for what we all post here. Grow up!!
> >
> > Sincerely,
> >
> > Linda
> >
> >
> >> On Aug 10, 2024 6:22 PM, andrew edgcumbe via Faith-Talk <
> faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >>
> >> honestly i feel i am nothing to God anyway I really been accused of
> >> stuff and like I said in a earlier post people need to ask questions
> >> instead of judging me.  I have low selfesteene and if i am not able to
> >> find things out for myself then i need e help to find opportunities.
> >>
> >> On Sat, Aug 10, 2024 at 5:33 PM Ericka via Faith-Talk
> >> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> My husband and I can totally help you with that. And ask for those
> games.
> >>> There are many ways to purchase or create your own Braille playing
> cards.
> >>> And many other games like Uno could be bought already in Braille. I
> >>> am glad that you have the “I can do it!“ Attitude. I totally
> >>> understand about people not going how to help and your parents are
> >>> doing that and have done the best they could. I do see one thing you
> >>> can do. You can step up and say hey, this would make it a lot easier
> >>> for me to do such and such.  Sometimes you have to bring the
> >>> solution to their attention rather than hoping they figure it out.
> >>> We’re the experts in blindness, right? You said that. So maybe one
> >>> day just bring some braille cards into that day program and see what
> >>> happens. Maybe got sent you there to teach that community and then
> >>> when you feel more confident and stronger and know who you are
> >>> better, you can  Branch out into doing something else. Just singing in
> the choir is still serving. Trust me, you don’t want me singing in any
> choir.
> >>>
> >>> We are not put off by your developmental delays. We’re not scared
> >>> of your  disability or anything. And honestly, we wish we could
> >>> afford to come to  Canada! Take one step at a time.
> >>>
> >>> In Christian love,
> >>>
> >>> Ericka Nelson
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> On Aug 10, 2024, at 3:20 AM, andrew edgcumbe via Faith-Talk <
> >>> faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Hi  I know  I guess the thing that stops me is not only  self
> >>>> confident
> >>> end
> >>>> of thing that is stopping me but in my area  i wouldn't be
> >>>> welcomed on to most construction sights I think that kind of is
> >>>> really  well I don't
> >>> know.
> >>>> My family never  has never pushed me to advokate in anyway.
> >>>>
> >>>> While I  for most part moved out on my own  most cases my family
> >>>> has never  whatever I think that even they don't know what blind
> >>>> people to do because they have never bothered to educate themselves.
> >>>>
> >>>> I have conversations with people  from latest c latest church i
> >>>> currently go to and they say it is to bad that  or say they
> >>>> understand i want to do more  but no effort was ever made for me to
> help out.
> >>>>
> >>>> There is no hiking groups in my area at all. I tried to look for
> >>>> them and look for  stuff along those lines.
> >>>> With trips and stuff i just don't know how to even find way  ways
> >>>> to go
> >>> to
> >>>> these places i would want to go to. going on these adventures to
> >>>> me is
> >>> not
> >>>> a problem but it is finding people to do these things with Water
> >>>> parks would be harder to do if person doesn't ride water slide
> >>>> because I
> >>> wouldn't
> >>>> know my way around in water parks and stuff.
> >>>>
> >>>> I really  far as youth group did go on few of the trips actually
> >>>> as well like he did accomidate way in a sence.
> >>>>
> >>>> There is hardly any other blind people seen in the community here.
> >>>> So i live in a smaller town in a sence.
> >>>>
> >>>> allot of people around here don't have the blind person can do it
> >>> attitude
> >>>> and for me to  be  advocating for myself totally alone or like the
> >>>> lone ranger trying to advocate myself is very hard or would be
> >>>> very hard and
> >>> to
> >>>> me it is hard to  and very tiring to explaine to people i cn can
> >>>> cross a street and stuff like that for example.
> >>>>
> >>>> Not every place in town is excessible I can only get to one
> >>>> grocery store in town out of the 2 or 3 others bu by myself
> >>>> because of the inexcessibility of the parking lots no way for
> >>>> pudestrians to get in
> >>> there
> >>>> without dealing with bunch of cars in and out  I can't go to a sub
> >>>> place
> >>> at
> >>>> all one of them because there is no safe way to get there at all
> >>>> even o
> >>> and
> >>>> m never could figure it out.
> >>>>
> >>>> part of me really wishes that somebody could at least help me with
> >>>> the advokating part of things at the very least that is the thing.
> >>>>
> >>>> Like I do go to a day program for people with disabilities but
> >>>> most
> >>> times i
> >>>> am just sitting there doing nothing.  I am always left out of the
> >>>> games they are doing and left out of video games and i used to be
> >>>> in another
> >>> day
> >>>> program last year but they didn't do very good at getting me
> >>>> playing
> >>> games
> >>>> because these certain ones were playing the card or board games I
> >>>> never
> >>> got
> >>>> a turn or anything like that.
> >>>>
> >>>> Also they never gave me chance to know my way around at all they
> >>>> never
> >>> gave
> >>>> me chance to
> >>>> They never  whatever I never used the bathroom while there because
> >>>> I
> >>> didn't
> >>>> feel i could be independent over  independent because they were
> >>>> almost treating me differently like you need help with this and
> >>>> that type of
> >>> thing.
> >>>> even their vollunteer drivers especially one in particular
> >>>> ansisted on putting my seatbelt on but that was only one he put it
> >>>> on before i had chance to say anything so when I was coming home
> >>>> and he was doing
> >>> something
> >>>> else i quickly put it on.
> >>>>
> >>>> So i ended up leaving that particular program.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> People around here really don't want me to help out with stuff
> >>>> each
> >>> time i
> >>>> mention it to my mom she is like i don't know what to tell you.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> I just feel so alone in my struggles and i hate being so alone in
> >>>> the end of advocacy and i know i need to do it probably but i
> >>>> don't know how to really build that self confidence when people
> >>>> are not as open to me doing things or blind people doing things.
> >>>>
> >>>> It feels like i am always being watched and stuff.
> >>>>
> >>>> I don't mind people helping me but when they help me to much just
> >>> because i
> >>>> am blind it can really be over whelming.
> >>>>
> >>>> I don't know how to use discord I can never get it to work for me
> >>>> and  i been trying to figure it out on my computer but it is very
> >>>> hard because allot of the time i don't know how to make it work and
> how to whatever.
> >>> as
> >>>> allot of things are not excessible.
> >>>>
> >>>> I have a real hard time finding out about events in my area
> >>>> weather it is restaurants or web sites not always info is even
> >>>> excessible and miss
> >>> stuff.
> >>>>
> >>>> I had been trying to fix that events thing by having a facebook
> >>>> group somebody else helped start but facebook becao became un
> >>>> became the option that is out the door because i have not been
> >>>> able to log in for whole
> >>> month
> >>>> because i kept getting error messages like sorry we will fix it
> >>>> something went wrong usually it fixed but this time it is that way
> >>>> for 4 weeks now
> >>> or
> >>>> a month i use facebook on my computer so i can't access the group
> >>>> on facebook. i even tried resetting passwords and everything so no go.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> On Sat, Aug 10, 2024 at 2:38 AM Ashley Bramlett via Faith-Talk <
> >>>>> faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Hi,
> >>>>> That is too bad you did not feel too included as a Christian
> teenager.
> >>>>> Well, its too bad you did not have your mom or family member
> advocate.
> >>>>> It sounds like the adult leaders had misconceptions and did not
> >>>>> seek to educate themselves about inclusion and that is real sad.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> When I was in youth groups, I did most things but not other
> activities.
> >>>>> Like you though, I went to because I wanted to be out of the
> >>>>> house and
> >>> my
> >>>>> parents just said it was available and I should go like my brothers
> did.
> >>>>> I think they told the youth group leaders about sighted guide and
> >>>>> to describe things to me such as when they served dinner or
> >>>>> snacks to tell
> >>> me
> >>>>> the options before serving me; but not too much else.
> >>>>> I was finding myself as a teen like all other teens and did not
> >>>>> know all of what I needed but did do some advocating.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> If the group did sports, I was left out, but for most activities,
> >>>>> I went to them. It was a long time ago so I do not even remember
> >>>>> what we did. I think we did some prayer, stories, drama, simply
> >>>>> socializing, and
> >>> singing.
> >>>>> We also had some fun outings and some I attended such as bowling.
> >>>>> I have some memories of youth retreats too.
> >>>>> The adult leaders did accommodate me sometimes.
> >>>>> At the time I did not have a braille Bible so when we did our
> >>>>> Bible
> >>> story
> >>>>> time, I think one of the leaders read to me.
> >>>>> Much of the retreat was to hang out and talk and have plenty of
> >>>>> food. I remember having a good time overall.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I think you need to advocate for yourself! Maybe you can find
> >>>>> other friends with your same disability to hang out. In my area,
> >>>>> there are day programs for people with developmental disabilities
> >>>>> so maybe try to find one. If you use a Ipad or Iphone, there are
> >>>>> apps to chat with people who share your interests such as the
> >>>>> clubhouse app. Oh and there is discord too. Not the same as a
> >>>>> real place to hang out but it would give you the connection to talk
> to people.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> You can certainly go to adventure activities such as amusement
> >>>>> parks, Andrew!
> >>>>> In my area there are clubs for that. There is a hiking club and a
> >>> running
> >>>>> club and some others. Maybe try finding a club to do this with.
> >>>>> Just go sighted guide and have someone tell you the rides they
> >>>>> see
> >>> around
> >>>>> and pick some to go on. Its fun.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> If someone told you that you cannot work with the elderly, that
> >>>>> is real discriminatory and you should absolutely not have to
> >>>>> bring someone with
> >>> you
> >>>>> to perform that task of being a friendly visitor.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Finally, you can certainly do hands on activities. I do not know
> >>>>> what is stopping you still. I just think you lack self confidence.
> >>>>> So, look for a service project and go for it. Fill out the
> >>>>> applications and steps for it and go for it.
> >>>>> If they tell you no, go to the head of the organization. If no
> >>> resolution,
> >>>>> if it were me, I'd blast them! I'd go to the media, write letters
> >>>>> to the editor about me being barred from serving and working for
> >>>>> no money expected, and then get the equivalent of NFB involved. I
> >>>>> know you have something like the NFB in Canada
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I've not done much hands on work and moving around tables and
> >>>>> chairs,
> >>> but
> >>>>> I know blind people who did do it. I also have heard of several
> >>>>> blind people doing it from NFB articles and lists.
> >>>>> You could serve on a house project with the equivalent of Habitat
> >>>>> for Humanity. You could serve at a soup kitchen. Some nonprofits
> >>>>> here have projects to move in donated furniture and beautify
> >>>>> houses and you could
> >>> do
> >>>>> that.
> >>>>> I'm sure your country has something similar.
> >>>>> Blind people have done these things. Just have someone show you
> >>>>> what to do. If its hands on work, that can be done by touching
> >>>>> the tools. You
> >>> could
> >>>>> perhaps start by organizing items or participating by handing
> >>>>> group
> >>> members
> >>>>> tools or help lifting things assuming you have the strength to do it.
> >>> For
> >>>>> instance, if you are bringing in supplies to repair something in
> >>>>> a home, you can help carry it and unload supplies.
> >>>>> If you go on a campfire outing and you want to help get the fire
> >>>>> ready, carry the supplies over for it.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> These service projects are doable and you should not be stopped.
> >>>>> I'll
> >>> send
> >>>>> a few links to articles about people serving in ministry to help
> >>>>> the homeless and other vonerable populations.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I have some vision and use a cane. So,  I have to first tell them
> >>>>> a
> >>> little
> >>>>> about what I do not see since I look normal. Sometimes it seems
> >>>>> like totally blind people are accepted less. If you have
> >>>>> blindisms, like rocking, try to stop. That is off putting to people.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> It can be done. These articles speak of overcoming the
> >>>>> misconceptions other sighted people had but they did it and
> participated.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> HTH,
> >>>>> Ashley
> >>>>>
> >>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>> From: Faith-Talk <faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of
> >>>>> andrew edgcumbe via Faith-Talk
> >>>>> Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2024 1:20 AM
> >>>>> To: Faith-talk, for the discussion of Blindness in faith and
> >>>>> religion < faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
> >>>>> Cc: andrew edgcumbe <rollercoasterman86 at gmail.com>
> >>>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-Talk] serving and connection
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I have even asked my mom and stuff about vollunteer opportunities
> >>>>> and
> >>> she
> >>>>> has no idea's for me either.
> >>>>> I did go to youth groups and stuff earlier and I like Ashley was
> >>>>> left
> >>> out
> >>>>> of some activities in fact I was all by myself when they went to
> >>>>> play
> >>> their
> >>>>> games in the Gym.
> >>>>> They often didn't include me in much but i still went to get out
> >>>>> of the house.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I also asked some young people to hang with me as well at times
> >>>>> and i always found that they just didn't seem to want to and it
> >>>>> was like  they didn't care to hang with me.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> People don't seem to want to do much with me I don't know if it
> >>>>> is
> >>> because
> >>>>> they trh think they need to help me or they think there is  or it
> >>>>> is to complicated to hang out with a blind person I just don't
> >>>>> know what it
> >>> is.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> or if it is because people don't want to deal with those with
> >>> disabilities.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Fri, Aug 9, 2024 at 11:45 PM Brian Hatgelakas via Faith-Talk <
> >>>>> faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> you said it 100 percent correctly!
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Fri, Aug 9, 2024 at 11:15 PM Ashley Bramlett via Faith-Talk <
> >>>>>> faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Hi,
> >>>>>>> It sounds like you are lonely.
> >>>>>>> It sounds like you want someone to assist you with walking and
> >>>>>>> getting
> >>>>>> out
> >>>>>>> in the community for fitness participation and social activities.
> >>>>>>> I'm going to a church with my dad which is also small and most
> >>>>>>> members
> >>>>>> are
> >>>>>>> older or maybe adults middle age with families.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I have not exactly asked to serve but I suspect they would be
> >>>>>>> fine with most activities. I have considered helping out with
> >>>>>>> the youth group.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I am also seeking a fitness buddy to have nature walks with or
> >>>>>>> simple
> >>>>>> trail
> >>>>>>> walking or tandem biking.
> >>>>>>> But, so far I did not find anyone. I asked our nearest chapter
> >>>>>>> of
> >>>>>> Achilles
> >>>>>>> international, dc chapter,
> >>>>>>> But did not find anyone; no response yet.
> >>>>>>> So, I know what you mean about needing a guide to do activities
> >>>>>>> with and finding no one. I can and do exercise alone at a gym
> >>>>>>> such as by using the seated bikes or treadmills but I do so
> >>>>>>> much desire to do some outside
> >>>>>> walks
> >>>>>>> or biking and go with someone so I can focus on the walk and
> >>>>>>> exercise,
> >>>>>> not
> >>>>>>> my mobility skills.
> >>>>>>> I also want more social connections either from the church or
> >>>>> elsewhere.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> It sounds like you have other disabilities given how this is
> >>>>>>> written and how you write here. I do not know your full
> >>>>>>> situation. I'm just speculating.
> >>>>>>> It would be helpful to know what you really mean. So far your
> >>>>>>> emails are vague saying that You simply are not accepted and
> >>>>>>> you are not finding connections.
> >>>>>>> What do you want to do? Some examples? What were some things
> >>>>>>> you tried
> >>>>>> and
> >>>>>>> were rejected from?
> >>>>>>> Saying you have lack of opportunity does not tell us much.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I do not mean to be critical but you have written things like
> >>>>>>> this before and it comes up year after year.
> >>>>>>> Only by getting specific can we help some.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Writing things like this
> >>>>>>> " It is like people have been so hazatant to do anything or to
> >>>>>>> support me or help me find those opportunities either as part
> >>>>>>> of a church or even ministry and stuff like that."
> >>>>>>> Does not say much.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Have you tried finding connections through a community website?
> >>>>>>> Here we have www.meetup.com, but I'm not sure you have that.
> >>>>>>> I've not used this myself, but I know it's a way to find groups
> >>>>>>> to meet
> >>>>>> up
> >>>>>>> with.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I do hope you find something. If there is a Christian ministry
> >>>>>>> for the blind in Canada where you are, maybe you can help them,
> >>>>>>> even if its remotely.
> >>>>>>> Here in the USA we have Christian Record Services and Lutheran
> >>>>>>> Braille Workers; both are far from my home of VA but I've
> >>>>>>> considered trying to do something with them  remotely. Maybe
> >>>>>>> writing something or conducting something over a video platform
> like zoom.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> You have to educate people about your abilities too. You may
> >>>>>>> not be asked to help as they do not know what you can do or how
> >>>>>>> you can do it, so do educate them.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Anyways, with more specifics, maybe we can give more suggestions.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Ashley
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>>>> From: Faith-Talk <faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of
> >>>>>>> andrew edgcumbe via Faith-Talk
> >>>>>>> Sent: Friday, August 9, 2024 10:27 PM
> >>>>>>> To: Faith-talk, for the discussion of faith and religion
> >>>>>>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
> >>>>>>> Cc: andrew edgcumbe <rollercoasterman86 at gmail.com>
> >>>>>>> Subject: [Faith-Talk] serving and connection
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Hi
> >>>>>>> My name is Andrew for those who don't know me.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I have just had struggle after struggle with  just being able
> >>>>>>> to serve as part of a church body and stuff like that other
> >>>>>>> then maybe music and
> >>>>>> stuff
> >>>>>>> like that.
> >>>>>>> To me the experience is they don't know what to do with me
> >>>>>>> because of my blindness and stuff like that.
> >>>>>>> It is like people have been so hazatant to do anything or to
> >>>>>>> support me
> >>>>>> or
> >>>>>>> help me find those opportunities either as part of a church or
> >>>>>>> even ministry and stuff like that.
> >>>>>>> The answer I always get is just pray about it while we should
> >>>>>>> do that
> >>>>>> and i
> >>>>>>> been doing that all along but faith should be followed up by
> >>>>>>> action to
> >>>>>> and
> >>>>>>> stuff like that.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> While I don't know other area's speciffically my church is a
> >>>>>>> very small church so it is limited but I want to find christian
> >>>>>>> ministries who actually let blind people serve even if it is
> >>>>>>> from home or some other way.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> The other area is that i have trouble making connections that
> >>>>>>> really
> >>>>>> foster
> >>>>>>> into more then just sunday morning fellowship.
> >>>>>>> I have tried to find hiking partners and finding other things.
> >>>>>>> i reached out to couple of the other churches for walking
> >>>>>>> buddies and
> >>>>>> stuff
> >>>>>>> like that and just other people whom perhaps i can really make
> >>>>>>> connection with from a church to do coffee with or do other
> >>>>>>> things with and I don't know they are afraid of the fact i am
> >>>>>>> blind I don't
> >>>>> know what it is.
> >>>>>>> I just been really looking for answers as to what to do with
> >>>>>>> myself like
> >>>>>> i
> >>>>>>> have few people in building i connect with but they have
> >>>>>>> disabilities
> >>>>>> that
> >>>>>>> keep them from doing walks with me or  other adventures I would
> >>>>>>> like to
> >>>>>> be
> >>>>>>> able to go on and stuff like that.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I struggle making connection through or  church or community
> >>>>>>> like I said even a buddy of mine has tried to talk to t others
> >>>>>>> about others about walking with me or what not but there is
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