[Faith-Talk] Praying for Healing

Doug Lee dgl at dlee.org
Wed Aug 14 13:46:49 UTC 2024 

Ah, thanks much; and Google back-translates that to "All to the glory of God." QED, as they say in math
circles. :)

On Wed, Aug 14, 2024 at 08:52:24AM -0400, Misty Kienzynski via Faith-Talk wrote:
Oh, of course!

The phrase you cite is to me a bit unusual with the use of “in” as opposed to “ad” or the dative case (I may be speaking Greek, erm, Latin here, but if you have some background, hear me out LOL). Your phrase seems to perhaps be later (non-classical) Latin of which my knowledge is more limited. It could be a more poetic or emphatic usage.

Typically in this phrase, you would use “ad”, and to emphasize God as the reason for the glory, you would write the following: “omnia ad Dei gloriam”

HTH :) ✝️ 
—

Misty, your friendly neighborhood nerdy rambler 



Bonitas non est pessimis esse meliorem. — L. Annaeus Seneca


> On Aug 14, 2024, at 8:28 AM, Doug Lee via Faith-Talk <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Ah, thanks much! And if you might allow me one more indulgence:
> 
> I remember a Bible I used in the 90s having a phrase like "Omnia in gloriam" on its title page. I don't
> remember seeing "Dei" in that phrase but I couldn't be sure years later when I decided I wanted to put
> something meaning "Everything to the glory of God" in my signature or somewhere similar. I think for a while
> I actually wrote "Omnia in gloriam Dei" until I figured out that this might not mean what I wanted exactly.
> 
> So, what would mean "Everything to the glory of God" or just "To the glory of God," if such fragmentary
> "sentences" can exist independently in Latin?
> 
> Answer on or off list as you prefer.
> 
> On Wed, Aug 14, 2024 at 08:08:57AM -0400, Misty Kienzynski via Faith-Talk wrote:
> Hi!
> 
> I am thrilled that you have an interest in Latin as I am a Latinist by training!
> 
> The most literal translation is: It is not goodness to be better than the worst.
> 
> Vale!
> —Misty, your friendly neighborhood complete nerd!
> 
> 
> 
> Bonitas non est pessimis esse meliorem. — L. Annaeus Seneca
> 
> 
>> On Aug 13, 2024, at 8:37 AM, Doug Lee via Faith-Talk <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> I've been quiet amid all the writing this weekend and start of week mostly because I'm spending a lot of
>> time helping a friend with ALS communicate, but I'll sneak in my favorite story on this subject and then I
>> have a question about your signature block - question, that is, and perhaps a little fascination. :)
>> 
>> So I did a lot of traveling for work for several years recently, and on one occasion when I had a snappy
>> plane transfer and was running late getting in, I chanced to encounter a guy on the way out of my arrival
>> gate who wanted to stop and pray over me. I made a deal: We can pray together but while zipping down moving
>> sidewalks and such so I would still be on time. He agreed, and of course proceeded to pray for the healing
>> of my blindness. I then took my turn and prayed that God might help us see clearly what we are to do,
>> regardless of circumstance. I don't remember either of our words well enough to type a quote, but I do
>> recall that my final "Amen" coincided neatly with our sailing off the end of the last walkway and into my
>> next gate, and that the plane was boarding at that instant, and that I went right on sailing aboard without
>> a stop.
>> 
>> Now the question: "Bonitas non est pessimis esse meliorem" translates via Google to "Goodness is not the
>> best of the worst." To avoid the indiscretion of sending a private message before you know me... Do you have
>> a better rendition of that one? Latin always fascinated me a bit but I never properly learned it.
>> 
>> On Tue, Aug 13, 2024 at 07:55:42AM -0400, Misty Kienzynski via Faith-Talk wrote:
>> I was once standing right outside a store and some rando came up to my mom and me and started praying for my healing right there.
>> 
>> It made my mom cry (because she still blamed herself irrationally for her genetics) and made me feel just plain nervously awkward.
>> 
>> Real spiritual and other violation of my/our time/space right there, IMO.
>> 
>> I mean, I’m perfectly fine with others praying for my healing. It’s just that…there’s a time and place…and there’s also consent..and there’s also seeing the whole person and not just the blindness all the time..so…
>> —
>> 
>> Misty, who believes that bad theology can irreparably harm
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Bonitas non est pessimis esse meliorem. — L. Annaeus Seneca
>> 
>> 
>>>> On Aug 12, 2024, at 5:58 PM, andrew edgcumbe via Faith-Talk <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi  one of my experiences with healing is i was at my mom and dad's camp
>>> they owned and opporated a bible camp used to that is.
>>> Anyway back to the topic at hand I was approached at least once
>>> inparticular that is but 4 guys got around me praying my blindness out of
>>> me. They were very persistant about it.
>>> Also they just got whatever about it one guy stayed with me after that and
>>> went right in my face he told me this much seek your healing and  there was
>>> a time I actually did call up a few healing ministries one sent me a
>>> healing cloth i put it near my eyes once and then thought better it and i
>>> said to myself i am tossing that peace of garbage out.
>>> 
>>> The other part about praying for healing is that
>>> There was one guy i used to talk to for most of the time for some years
>>> maybe year or couple years and this was during that time that i was
>>> investagating it more fully.
>>> He praid at the end of each o phone call with me and guess what he would
>>> pray for my healing and then he said can you see yet do you notice anythig
>>> anything different.
>>> 
>>> So that is my experience.
>>> The bible never tells us we will be fully be heald on earth
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Mon, Aug 12, 2024 at 5:02 PM Linda Mentink via Faith-Talk <
>>>> faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi again Humberto and All,
>>>> 
>>>> I have a story to share from a long ago. I went to a Full Gospel
>>>> Businessmen's meeting, or something like that. A gentleman came up to talk
>>>> to me. He told me that God doesn't want me to be blind. I said, "If God
>>>> didn't want me to be blind, I wouldn't be. He has given me a ministry in
>>>> music which I might not have if it weren't for my blindness. Besides, don't
>>>> try to take away my excitement about the first face I see in heaven being
>>>> that of Jesus Christ." He said, "But just think how much your ministrn
>>>> would be enhanced if you got your sight back!" I don't remember what I
>>>> said, but what I thought was, "No, what you're really saying is that your
>>>> ministry would be enhanced if you healed me!" I'm sure it's a good thing I
>>>> didn't say that!
>>>> 
>>>> The Holy Bible does not say that all will be healed. We will have
>>>> suffering and disease here on earth because of sin in the world, but we
>>>> will all be made whole when Christ takes us to Himself in heaven and places
>>>> us in the mansions He is now preparing for His own.
>>>> 
>>>> I have a blind friend who was prayed for, and was told that he wasn't
>>>> healed because he didn't have enough faith. It messed him up so badly that
>>>> he wanted nothing to do with God. He now is one of His faithful servants!
>>>> 
>>>> OK, enough out of me for now. I need to get back to proofreading so that I
>>>> can get it done before I leave for Wisconsin. I'm proofing sermons ahead
>>>> because I will have limited access to the internet.
>>>> 
>>>> Blessings to you all, and thanks for reading, if you did!
>>>> 
>>>> Linda
> 
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