[Greater-Baltimore] Greater-Baltimore Digest, Vol 230, Issue 15
Danielsen, Chris
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Wed Sep 25 12:52:16 UTC 2024
Hi David,
It certainly may be worth investigating whether Envision is profiteering. On the other hand, they may be a victim of costs going up as well somewhere else in their supply chain. I know they have been struggling as they have had to discontinue some of their other product lines because they could no longer find parts or maintain the service. In any event, as you say, the pharmacies must not pass any increased costs onto their disabled patients. But yes, let's investigate all avenues, in my opinion. Of course we should defer to Ronza and our advocacy experts on the best course of action.
Warmly,
Chris
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The fact that Chris and melissa were both met with a discussion about increased cost makes me think my idea holds value. I hope I'm wrong, but I think envision knows come January all Maryland pharmacies will need labels so why not increase the costs now to not look like it was a part of the January push. I've been working with my local hometown pharmacy also to add script talk to their pharmacy and after they had a discussion with envision, they were led to believe there would have to be a service fee per label also. I have not dug into this with them too much and felt it would be better for me to wait to January to see how them and Envision respond to the new law. Now with the light of the James stuff I'm wondering if this actually stems from envision raising costs to get more profit in January and the pharmacies are left holding the bag.
Would be interesting to find out if other Maryland pharmacies are seeing increased costs for envision products and/or are sending those costs to their customers. Also, would be interesting to see how this looks nationwide.
Bottom line are we barking up the right tree. Yes, I know no matter what envision does to the costs the pharmacy can't charge blind people for the service but something grander doesn't smell right to me!
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Clarence and I are definitely impacted by James Pharmacy as well.
We are now with:
Wye Oak Pharmacy,
Phone: 410-536-0555,
Address: 1935 Lansdowne Rd., Baltimore, MD 21227 They do deliver.
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As there are several chapters impacted, and as we are working with the Pharmacy Board on finalizing regs for the new law, the affiliate is taking the lead on this. I'll respond with more information from my affiliate email. Please do nothing organizationally in terms of contacting Envision or James until we all get on the same page.
Please do continue to share if you are impacted though so we know who and how many this affects.
Ronza M. Othman (she/her/hers), Director, EEO Compliance Group, Office of Equal Opportunity and Civil Rights, Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services
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It occurs to me that we might also want to reach out to Envision America to find out whether they are charging pharmacies more and why. If that is the case, I do understand their (James)position a little; they are thinking of it as passing on the increased cost of a service to the consumers who use it. That's an unreasonable position to take from our perspective, but as a purely cold business calculation, without regard to disability law or simple principles of equity, it makes sense. Just because we're mad at them doesn't mean We shouldn't try to understand their position and help them figure out other solutions if we can, as Melissa says. But the conversation I had made me angry because I felt like my loyalty as their customer for something like a decade now apparently means very little to them. If they are truly struggling, then I would think the loss of any business is a problem.
I still think we may need to vote with our feet, as it were, to help them think about whether imposing this service charge on us is ultimately good for their bottom line or not.
Chris
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Hi Melissa and all,
I had not received a text and initially had trouble believing this, although I also knew it didn't seem like a phishing scam or anything like that. So I called James Pharmacy and the gentleman I spoke with confirmed it, saying it was due to the increased cost of providing the service. I wish I had gotten his name, but I think he may be the fellow in charge, I have spoken with him before when issues I had were escalated, I think. On the other hand, I could be wrong. I told him politely that I may have to stop doing business with them, because I do not believe that I should be charged a premium for accessibility. His response was, "Okay." I then told him that he might want to investigate whether the charge violates the Mmaryland law coming into effect. His response was, "Do whatever you want to do from your end." He expressed no regret at supposedly having to impose the charge, or that I would consider leaving as a customer, and no interest in the idea that they might find themselves violating the law. I do not know what steps we want to take from here, but I suspect that my own immediate one will be to follow thru on my statement that I will not do business with them. I think the charge is probably wrong in any event, but the fact that they do not seem to value me enough as a customer to even discuss it with me in a manner that indicates whether they give a damn about me remaining a customer is not encouraging. I suspect 'education" is not going to be the way to get them to back off.
Warmly,
Chris
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Hello everyone,
I'm wondering who uses James Pharmacy. My family and I use them, and I just received a text saying on September first they will begin charging $3.99 for each Script Talk label requested. They say this is necessary due to increased cost of maintenance and materials. They are calling this a service charge.
I know that in January, 2025, the bill we helped advocate for stating all pharmacies will need to provide accessible prescription labels will go into effect. So I'm guessing that in January this charge will not be legal.
Something tells me it may not even be legal in September. Seems as if just because we happen not to be able to read a medication bottle does not mean we should be charged in order to receive the information in a way we can access it when everyone else gets that information for free.
So, I wanted to bring this to the attention of others who might use James Pharmacy, and also try to figure out what we can do to educate them about the law. Also, a part of me does feel for them if costs are truly increasing that much. They are a community pharmacy, which is why I like to use them.
They were offering Script Talk before many other pharmacies in this area were. It's not as if they have a large parent company who can come in and help absorb increased cost. It does seem though, that if they had a service charge of 25 or 50 cents on each prescription they sold, even just for a little while, they could raise the money they would need without putting the burden on only the blind customers. If they stated that money would be used for general pharmacy and technology upkeep, I would pay it gladly, and not bat an eye, and I think others would as well. I'm sure there are other things they could do, or maybe even other resources such as grants available to them as a small business that could pay for these increased costs. I don't want to run them out of business by any means. On the other hand, I would be tempted to take my business elsewhere instead of paying $3.99 for each label I request. That seems quite high to me.
What are other's thoughts. How can we work together to educate and give feedback as customers? Please let me know. You can reply to this message if you want to keep your comments on the list for all to see, or you can contact me directly.
MelissaARiccobono at gmail.com <mailto:MelissaARiccobono at gmail.com>
Thanks,
Melissa
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I'm glad you found an alternative Tracey. If James does not reverse course, I will have to do the same.
Warmly,
Chris
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Subject: Re: [Greater-Baltimore] James Pharmacy
Clarence and I are definitely impacted by James Pharmacy as well.
We are now with:
Wye Oak Pharmacy,
Phone: 410-536-0555,
Address: 1935 Lansdowne Rd., Baltimore, MD 21227 They do deliver.
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Subject: Re: [Greater-Baltimore] James Pharmacy
As there are several chapters impacted, and as we are working with the Pharmacy Board on finalizing regs for the new law, the affiliate is taking the lead on this. I'll respond with more information from my affiliate email. Please do nothing organizationally in terms of contacting Envision or James until we all get on the same page.
Please do continue to share if you are impacted though so we know who and how many this affects.
Ronza M. Othman (she/her/hers), Director, EEO Compliance Group, Office of Equal Opportunity and Civil Rights, Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services
- 7500 Security Blvd, N3-22-16, Baltimore, MD 21244 - 410-786-3274 (o);
443-380-5044 (f)
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Subject: Re: [Greater-Baltimore] James Pharmacy
It occurs to me that we might also want to reach out to Envision America to find out whether they are charging pharmacies more and why. If that is the case, I do understand their (James)position a little; they are thinking of it as passing on the increased cost of a service to the consumers who use it. That's an unreasonable position to take from our perspective, but as a purely cold business calculation, without regard to disability law or simple principles of equity, it makes sense. Just because we're mad at them doesn't mean We shouldn't try to understand their position and help them figure out other solutions if we can, as Melissa says. But the conversation I had made me angry because I felt like my loyalty as their customer for something like a decade now apparently means very little to them. If they are truly struggling, then I would think the loss of any business is a problem.
I still think we may need to vote with our feet, as it were, to help them think about whether imposing this service charge on us is ultimately good for their bottom line or not.
Chris
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Hi Melissa and all,
I had not received a text and initially had trouble believing this, although I also knew it didn't seem like a phishing scam or anything like that. So I called James Pharmacy and the gentleman I spoke with confirmed it, saying it was due to the increased cost of providing the service. I wish I had gotten his name, but I think he may be the fellow in charge, I have spoken with him before when issues I had were escalated, I think. On the other hand, I could be wrong. I told him politely that I may have to stop doing business with them, because I do not believe that I should be charged a premium for accessibility. His response was, "Okay." I then told him that he might want to investigate whether the charge violates the Mmaryland law coming into effect. His response was, "Do whatever you want to do from your end." He expressed no regret at supposedly having to impose the charge, or that I would consider leaving as a customer, and no interest in the idea that they might find themselves violating the law. I do not know what steps we want to take from here, but I suspect that my own immediate one will be to follow thru on my statement that I will not do business with them. I think the charge is probably wrong in any event, but the fact that they do not seem to value me enough as a customer to even discuss it with me in a manner that indicates whether they give a damn about me remaining a customer is not encouraging. I suspect 'education" is not going to be the way to get them to back off.
Warmly,
Chris
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Subject: [Greater-Baltimore] James Pharmacy
Hello everyone,
I'm wondering who uses James Pharmacy. My family and I use them, and I just received a text saying on September first they will begin charging $3.99 for each Script Talk label requested. They say this is necessary due to increased cost of maintenance and materials. They are calling this a service charge.
I know that in January, 2025, the bill we helped advocate for stating all pharmacies will need to provide accessible prescription labels will go into effect. So I'm guessing that in January this charge will not be legal.
Something tells me it may not even be legal in September. Seems as if just because we happen not to be able to read a medication bottle does not mean we should be charged in order to receive the information in a way we can access it when everyone else gets that information for free.
So, I wanted to bring this to the attention of others who might use James Pharmacy, and also try to figure out what we can do to educate them about the law. Also, a part of me does feel for them if costs are truly increasing that much. They are a community pharmacy, which is why I like to use them.
They were offering Script Talk before many other pharmacies in this area were. It's not as if they have a large parent company who can come in and help absorb increased cost. It does seem though, that if they had a service charge of 25 or 50 cents on each prescription they sold, even just for a little while, they could raise the money they would need without putting the burden on only the blind customers. If they stated that money would be used for general pharmacy and technology upkeep, I would pay it gladly, and not bat an eye, and I think others would as well. I'm sure there are other things they could do, or maybe even other resources such as grants available to them as a small business that could pay for these increased costs. I don't want to run them out of business by any means. On the other hand, I would be tempted to take my business elsewhere instead of paying $3.99 for each label I request. That seems quite high to me.
What are other's thoughts. How can we work together to educate and give feedback as customers? Please let me know. You can reply to this message if you want to keep your comments on the list for all to see, or you can contact me directly.
MelissaARiccobono at gmail.com <mailto:MelissaARiccobono at gmail.com>
Thanks,
Melissa
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