[gui-talk] free daisy player

Wed Aug 12 18:59:10 UTC 2009

No Joel, a one-time fee of ten bucks.

-----Original Message-----
From: gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Joel Deutsch
Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 1:40 AM
To: NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List
Subject: Re: [gui-talk] free daisy player

Hmm. Okay,. So it's made not in New Zealand, home of the Golden Kiwi, but in

Canada. And it isn't made by the NLS. But to play an NLS digital BARD file 
on it, you have to buy a key. Ten dollars per file?

So you're buying books at $10 per book? Cheaper than Amazon (unless it's for

the Kindle, that is) but still quite an expense.

this gets more interesting all the time.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Sherri" <flmom2006 at gmail.com>
To: "NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List" <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 10:05 PM
Subject: Re: [gui-talk] free daisy player

The Victor Reader Stream is made by Humanware Canada and can play NLS books
with the installed key from NLS.
Sherri
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joel Deutsch" <jdeutsch at dslextreme.com>
To: "NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List" <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 12:43 AM
Subject: Re: [gui-talk] free daisy player

> Al,
>
> I'm being completely serious, here. Until this moment, I was under the
> impression that the Victor Reader Stream is produced by a company called
> HumanWare, and that this company is based in New Zealand or something like
> that. Now you're saying flatly that the NLS is the maker and vendor of the
> Victor Reader Stream? They bought out HumanWare and now manufacture and
> sell
> the Stream? Can anyone tell me if this is true? Thanks.
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "albert griffith" <albertgriffith at sbcglobal.net>
> To: "'NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List'" <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 8:55 PM
> Subject: Re: [gui-talk] free daisy player
>
>
> Keep in mind you'll have to pay for a key if you purchase a unit not
> manufactured by NLS.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Joel Deutsch
> Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 10:40 PM
> To: NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [gui-talk] free daisy player
>
> Hey Ray,
>
> ah! Okay, you guys. Not only do I not use a Braille notetaker or this or
> that device, but I'm not signed up with RFB&D at all! that would explain
> why
>
> this all sounds so strange to me. I don't mean "strange," as in weird. I
> just mean mysterious. So there's some sort of thing where you pay
> something
> and then you can download something and then you can play it on something.
> Don't even try to explain. Obviously it's over my head because I don't do
> any of this stuff. I'm relieved. Al, you confused the hell out of me! Not
> fair!
> explainn.were y ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Wayne Merritt" <wcmerritt at gmail.com>
> To: "NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List" <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 6:36 PM
> Subject: Re: [gui-talk] free daisy player
>
>
> That's correct. However, I expect that the reasoning for the key is
> still the same, in that you can only play the material on certain
> specialized players due to copyright issues and protecting their
> materials. In other words, if you were hoping to play protected NLS
> content in Windows media or Winamp, it's likely not going to happen
> anytime soon. Hopefully FS and the other notetaker/screen reader
> manufacturers will add the ability to play NLS content soon though.
> That will at least open the door to a new user group, and one that may
> not be as likely to get a specialized player, or who may not have one
> for whatever other reason.
>
> Jmt,
> Wayne
>
> On 8/11/09, Ray Foret jr <rforetjr at comcast.net> wrote:
>> It's okay Joel.  I reckon Albert just got NLS confused with RFB&D.  I
>> believe they do charge for a key, that is ,if I'm not mistaken.
>>
>> Sincerely,
>> The Constantly BAREFOOTED Ray
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>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Joel Deutsch" <jdeutsch at dslextreme.com>
>> To: "NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List" <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 5:36 PM
>> Subject: Re: [gui-talk] free daisy player
>>
>>
>> Albert,
>>
>> I don't understand. Now, I should say up front that I don't use a Daisy
>> player in order to access files either from the NLS BARD program nor
>> anything I read on the NFB Newsline site. But I don't know which of these
>> you are actually referring to, below, although you do specify NLS in your
>> message.
>>
>> But I just don't know what you're talking about. I've never been charged
>> a
>> fee of any sort, nor issued any sort of key, whatever that is, for either
>> of
>> these services. Could you or someone tell me what it is I'm not
>> understanding, here, and what it has to do with Daisy, and what that has
>> to
>> do with whether Freedom Scientific has decided to give away their FS
>> Reader
>> soon? My head is spinning. I can make no sense of this.
>> RS wathse ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "albert griffith" <albertgriffith at sbcglobal.net>
>> To: "'NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List'" <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 1:00 PM
>> Subject: Re: [gui-talk] free daisy player
>>
>>
>> Presently NLS says their publishers keep the bar raised on player
>> accessibility.  This is how they justify charging use $10 for each user
>> key
>> and why their files can't just be played on a computer.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of Hoffman, Allen
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 1:22 PM
>> To: gui-talk at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: [gui-talk] free daisy player
>>
>> Lets not kid ourselves that its a free daisy player, you can't download
>> it for a computer without JAWS, or run on another Mobile platform.  What
>> we should be doing however, is expressing that this player should be
>> recognized and made legal for NLS and RFB DTB(s).  The concept that NLS
>> books must only be played on "special" devices is simply crazy, outdated
>> thinking that does NOT, in any way represent the wishes of the public
>> they are supposed to be serving.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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