[gui-talk] Basic inquiry about Mac, including the laptops

Sun Aug 16 05:43:13 UTC 2009

I don't have to think about it so point by point. I got your point. I said I 
got your point. you sold it. No need to step on it now, as a comic would say 
about timing.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "albert griffith" <albertgriffith at sbcglobal.net>
To: "'NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List'" <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, August 15, 2009 9:38 PM
Subject: Re: [gui-talk] Basic inquiry about Mac, including the laptops

As I said a hundred posts ago if a benefit from running Windows is equal to
running a Mac the point needs to go in the Windows column given your goals.

-----Original Message-----
From: gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Joel Deutsch
Sent: Saturday, August 15, 2009 11:02 PM
To: NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List
Subject: Re: [gui-talk] Basic inquiry about Mac, including the laptops

I pretty much get that. I have a hunch Dave may be right, that this would be

a huge time-waster of an adventure for me when I have stuff to do, not learn

the Mac and Voice Over. Not that it doesn't sound tempting. and hip and
cool, too. But still. But still.
xplroation
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mike Arrigo" <n0oxy at charter.net>
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Sent: Saturday, August 15, 2009 11:43 AM
Subject: Re: [gui-talk] Basic inquiry about Mac, including the laptops

Actually, as far as accessibility and the operating system, all macs
work the same. Of course, the hardware is slightly different, but the
functionality is the same.
On Aug 15, 2009, at 9:15 AM, Joel Deutsch wrote:

> les,
>
> The below does not make clear whether you plan this Mac purchase to
> be a
> desktop or a laptop, and which model.
>
> Now, you may imagine laptop is implied because you mention your PC
> desktop
> growing old and you considering a sense computer to have as a
> backup. You
> may have imagined I'd presume you  must mean not yet another desktop
> but in
> fact a laptop. But none of that is actually made explicit im what
> you typed.
>
> Will this be a desktop or a laptop?? And which model, please? thank
> you very
> much.
> Joel
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Les Kriegler" <kriegler at nycap.rr.com>
> To: "'NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List'" <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 10:41 PM
> Subject: Re: [gui-talk] Basic inquiry about Mac, including the laptops
>
>
> Hi Joel,
>
> The question you proposed with your corresponding answer is exactly
> correct.
> I can install multiple screen readers on Windows and run them as I
> wish.
> I'm going to use the Fusion package so that I can switch between the
> Mac and
> Windows without the need to re-boot and choose which OS I wish to
> use.  Even
> though we'll maintain our desktop, it's about 4 years old, so a
> replacement
> or add-on system makes sense for us at this time.  My biggest
> concern is my
> wife learning to use the Mac, as I won't be able to assist her for a
> while
> until I learn it myself.  She's a mouse user anyway, so she'll have to
> figure this out on her own for a while.  Having Windows on the Mac
> will help
> her, as I'm quite certain she'll be falling back to the familiar
> apps she
> uses for quite some time.  Like Andy, I started with an Apple in
> 1985 and
> feel like I'm coming full circle.  I like Apple's commitment to
> accessibility.  I believe VoiceOver will continue to improve, as
> upgrades
> occur with the release of each Apple operating system.  Actually,
> one of the
> list members, Mike Arrigo really has helped me in making this
> decision.  His
> demonstration of running Windows with speech on a Mac informed me
> that I can
> have the best of both worlds on 1 machine.  I also work with a
> colleague who
> tells me that his system has never crashed to the point where he had
> to shut
> down his Mac, he's always been able to close down programs that
> malfunction
> without shutting down, he's using a Mac desktop.  I've always felt the
> Apple's operating environments were more stable than Windows, it was
> the
> accessibility that held me back.  Now that VoiceOver has really
> bridged much
> of that gap, I believe this is the right thing for me to do at this
> time.
> I'm a little long-winded here, but I do want to assure you
> understand that
> it is very possible to Run Jaws, Window-Eyes or System Access on the
> Windows
> side on a Mac.
>
> Les
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:gui-talk-
> bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Joel Deutsch
> Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 1:04 PM
> To: NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [gui-talk] Basic inquiry about Mac, including the laptops
>
> Les,
>
> thanks. does the below mean that you'll not only be able to load
> Windows
> onto it and run Windows apps if you wish to, but of course that
> you'll also
> be able to load something like Jaws (which is what I use) onto it
> amongst
> those Windows apps, so that if you feel too befuddled by the Mac at
> first,
> you can make it perform just like Windows with Jaws, at least in the
> few
> Windows apps you've installed?
>
> Thanks.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Les Kriegler" <kriegler at nycap.rr.com>
> To: "'NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List'" <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 2:48 AM
> Subject: Re: [gui-talk] Basic inquiry about Mac, including the laptops
>
>
> Hi Joel,
>
> Interesting you're bringing this up.  Actually, I've decided that
> when the
> upgrade to the Mac Operating System comes out, I'm purchasing a Mac
> laptop.
> Many of their laptops come with 4 Gigs of memory, and I plan to
> install
> Windows 7 on the laptop as well.  There is software that allows one to
> switch back and forth Between Mac and Windows without the need to re-
> boot
> one's system.  So I'm taking the plunge, likely next month.  I've
> started
> reading up on the Mac and on the screen reader called VoiceOver and
> I like
> what I've read thus far.  Obviously, I cannot give you impressions
> of using
> a Mac yet, although I've confident I'll learn it when I start
> working on it.
> I took a year to learn Doss, I'll invoke the same plan with learning
> the
> Mac.  Eventually, I hope to be in a position to train others, as I
> suspect
> there will be a need for this to occur.
>
> Les
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:gui-talk-
> bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Joel Deutsch
> Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 2:16 AM
> To: GUI-Talk
> Subject: [gui-talk] Basic inquiry about Mac, including the laptops
>
> as I've sort of watched the Mac evolving over the past couple of
> years in
> the sense that its operating system seems to be getting close to
> achieving
> self-voicing screen reader capability that an experienced jaws guy
> like me
> might be able to take seriously, I'm asking for some thoughts.
>
> Aren't there a couple of folks on this list who actually, already,
> *are* Mac
> desktop or laptop users? How do you folks like your Macs? And
> Albert, I know
> you've been toying with the idea of going Mac, same as I'm
> expressing now.
> Just seems interesting to think about, now that I allow myself. This
> in
> spite of the fact that I have Jaws 11 already paid for on my SMA,
> but my
> goodness. I guess if I could get myself a brand new computer that
> didn't
> heed it, would be nice to give away my old PC with new Jaws on it.
> To the
> Braille Institute or something.
>
> Nice ,anyway, a thought experiment. How about it, Mackies?
>
> I have one more question, also to do with my daydreaming, but I'll
> post it
> separately.
>
>
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