[gui-talk] Latest Accessible Version of Adobe

The Jacobs Family bandbjacobs at verizon.net
Thu Apr 1 17:48:11 UTC 2010 

Hey Denise:

Seems we get brand new versions of Adobe every day, or at least, every other 
day.  I always thought that when one installed their versions of adobe, the 
thing actually lists an option whereby you can receive automatic email 
updates, kind of like Microsoft Windows does?  Bill and I get them all the 
time, like I say.  We don't jump every time they say jump.  And we don't 
ask, how high, how far either.  So many of them come, we simply download and 
install when we think we need it, which may be a bad idea.  It does make 
other things more accessible however if you indulge in their updates.  I 
don't know.  Sometimes they come in right while I'm in the middle of 
something so I don't always bother because of that.

Bern
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>   4. Re: will that work with an Ipad (Ted Shelly)
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>   7. latest accessible version of adobe (denise avant)
>   8. Re: will that work with an Ipad (David Andrews)
>   9. Re: latest accessible version of adobe (qubit)
>  10. Re: latest accessible version of adobe (Steve Pattison)
>  11. Keys On A Laptop (Steve Cook)
>  12. Re: Keys On A Laptop (trev.saunders at gmail.com)
>  13. Re: Keys On A Laptop (Baracco, Andrew W)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 13:20:07 EDT
> From: Kenlawrence124 at aol.com
> To: gui-talk at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [gui-talk] will that work with an Ipad
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> Hi list members ken here I see in the Kim komando news that the Ipad is
> coing this weekend.  with it's voice-over built in, we have another option
> for Ebooks.  Does anyone know if a person can use an Ipad on the library
> download site and if so would I have to get the firmware upgrade for the 
> NLS
> player as if using a MAC to download talkingbooks?
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 14:08:13 -0500
> From: David Andrews <dandrews at visi.com>
> To: NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [gui-talk] will that work with an Ipad
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> The iPad will not play NLS books.
>
> Dave
>
> At 12:20 PM 3/31/2010, you wrote:
>>Hi list members ken here I see in the Kim komando news that the Ipad is
>>coing this weekend.  with it's voice-over built in, we have another option
>>for Ebooks.  Does anyone know if a person can use an Ipad on the library
>>download site and if so would I have to get the firmware upgrade for the 
>>NLS
>>player as if using a MAC to download talkingbooks?
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 14:55:38 -0500
> From: Tai Blas <Tai.Blas at blind.state.ia.us>
> To: 'NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List' <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [gui-talk] will that work with an Ipad
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> Hi. The iPad does not support NLS digital talking books.
> Tai
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> Subject: [gui-talk] will that work with an Ipad
>
> Hi list members ken here I see in the Kim komando news that the Ipad is 
> coing this weekend.  with it's voice-over built in, we have another option 
> for Ebooks.  Does anyone know if a person can use an Ipad on the library 
> download site and if so would I have to get the firmware upgrade for the 
> NLS player as if using a MAC to download talkingbooks?
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> Message: 4
> Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 16:16:35 -0400
> From: Ted Shelly <tshelly at optonline.net>
> To: 'NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List' <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [gui-talk] will that work with an Ipad
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> You should be able to download books from the Bard site on an iPad without
> much trouble, so long as you can use the browser on the device to navigate
> to the  Bard site and log in.  I don't know if the iPad will have a USB
> port, but  assuming it does, you can unzip the downloaded file to a USB
> thumb drive and it will play on your NLS player.  There would be no need 
> to
> update firmware.
>
> The above is somewhat theoretical.  If someone actually gets an iPad it
> would be interesting to hear how they do with it.
>
> Ted Shelly
>
> The above is a
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> Behalf Of Kenlawrence124 at aol.com
> Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2010 1:20 PM
> To: gui-talk at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [gui-talk] will that work with an Ipad
>
> Hi list members ken here I see in the Kim komando news that the Ipad is
> coing this weekend.  with it's voice-over built in, we have another option
> for Ebooks.  Does anyone know if a person can use an Ipad on the library
> download site and if so would I have to get the firmware upgrade for the 
> NLS
>
> player as if using a MAC to download talkingbooks?
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> Message: 5
> Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 15:34:57 -0500
> From: James Pepper <b75205 at gmail.com>
> To: NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [gui-talk] will that work with an Ipad
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> It will play pdf files according to the documentation from Apple.  Problem
> is that there doesn't seem to be any publsihers out there who know how to
> publish on this thing.  Also Apple released the SDK to develop on it a 
> week
> and a half ago, so do not expect to see any innovations other than a big
> screen for your IPhone or IPOD in this until people start developing
> applications for the product.  There is nothing made yet.
>
> James Pepper
>
> On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 2:08 PM, David Andrews <dandrews at visi.com> wrote:
>
>> The iPad will not play NLS books.
>>
>> Dave
>>
>>
>> At 12:20 PM 3/31/2010, you wrote:
>>
>>> Hi list members ken here I see in the Kim komando news that the Ipad is
>>> coing this weekend.  with it's voice-over built in, we have another 
>>> option
>>> for Ebooks.  Does anyone know if a person can use an Ipad on the library
>>> download site and if so would I have to get the firmware upgrade for the
>>> NLS
>>> player as if using a MAC to download talkingbooks?
>>>
>>
>>
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> Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 14:40:50 -0700
> From: "Baracco, Andrew W" <Andrew.Baracco at va.gov>
> To: "NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List" <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [gui-talk] will that work with an Ipad
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> I think the original poster was asking if he or she could play NLS books
> on the iPad, and, of course, the answer is "No".
>
> Andy
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
> On Behalf Of Ted Shelly
> Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2010 1:17 PM
> To: 'NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List'
> Subject: Re: [gui-talk] will that work with an Ipad
>
> You should be able to download books from the Bard site on an iPad
> without
> much trouble, so long as you can use the browser on the device to
> navigate
> to the  Bard site and log in.  I don't know if the iPad will have a USB
> port, but  assuming it does, you can unzip the downloaded file to a USB
> thumb drive and it will play on your NLS player.  There would be no need
> to
> update firmware.
>
> The above is somewhat theoretical.  If someone actually gets an iPad it
> would be interesting to hear how they do with it.
>
> Ted Shelly
>
> The above is a
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
> On
> Behalf Of Kenlawrence124 at aol.com
> Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2010 1:20 PM
> To: gui-talk at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [gui-talk] will that work with an Ipad
>
> Hi list members ken here I see in the Kim komando news that the Ipad is
>
> coing this weekend.  with it's voice-over built in, we have another
> option
> for Ebooks.  Does anyone know if a person can use an Ipad on the library
>
> download site and if so would I have to get the firmware upgrade for the
> NLS
>
> player as if using a MAC to download talkingbooks?
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> Message: 7
> Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 19:44:24 -0500
> From: "denise avant" <dravant at ameritech.net>
> To: <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: [gui-talk] latest accessible version of adobe
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> Hello all,
>
> I'm looking for the latest accessible version of adobe acrobat. Thanks.
>
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 8
> Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 20:02:23 -0500
> From: David Andrews <dandrews at visi.com>
> To: NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [gui-talk] will that work with an Ipad
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>
> It will also handle ePub books, I understand.  Many companies use
> ePub but most wrap it with DRM.  GoogleBooks are unprotected ePub though.
>
> Dave
>
> At 03:34 PM 3/31/2010, you wrote:
>>It will play pdf files according to the documentation from Apple.  Problem
>>is that there doesn't seem to be any publsihers out there who know how to
>>publish on this thing.  Also Apple released the SDK to develop on it a 
>>week
>>and a half ago, so do not expect to see any innovations other than a big
>>screen for your IPhone or IPOD in this until people start developing
>>applications for the product.  There is nothing made yet.
>>
>>James Pepper
>>
>>On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 2:08 PM, David Andrews <dandrews at visi.com> wrote:
>>
>> > The iPad will not play NLS books.
>> >
>> > Dave
>> >
>> >
>> > At 12:20 PM 3/31/2010, you wrote:
>> >
>> >> Hi list members ken here I see in the Kim komando news that the Ipad 
>> >> is
>> >> coing this weekend.  with it's voice-over built in, we have another 
>> >> option
>> >> for Ebooks.  Does anyone know if a person can use an Ipad on the 
>> >> library
>> >> download site and if so would I have to get the firmware upgrade for 
>> >> the
>> >> NLS
>> >> player as if using a MAC to download talkingbooks?
>> >>
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 9
> Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 20:31:28 -0500
> From: "qubit" <lauraeaves at yahoo.com>
> To: "NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List" <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [gui-talk] latest accessible version of adobe
> Message-ID: <FA1E3CCF18CA45DDAC3DFE1295EF880E at bassclef>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> I'd like to know this too.  The one I'm running is crashing every time I
> print a document.
> Something is wrong on my system. I think I'm running low on space.
> --le
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "denise avant" <dravant at ameritech.net>
> To: <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2010 7:44 PM
> Subject: [gui-talk] latest accessible version of adobe
>
>
> Hello all,
>
> I'm looking for the latest accessible version of adobe acrobat. Thanks.
>
>
>
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> Message: 10
> Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2010 23:02:55 +1100
> From: Steve Pattison <srp at internode.on.net>
> To: NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [gui-talk] latest accessible version of adobe
> Message-ID: <20100401230255.2150.225DF185 at internode.on.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
>
> Hi Denise,
>
> The latest accessible version is version 9.3.1.
>
> Regards Steve.
>
> On Wed, 31 Mar 2010 19:44:24 -0500
> "denise avant" <dravant at ameritech.net> wrote:
> I'm looking for the latest accessible version of adobe acrobat.
>
> Regards Steve
> Email:  srp at internode.on.net
> MSN Messenger:  internetuser383 at hotmail.com
> Skype:  steve1963
> Twitter:  steve9782
>
>
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> Message: 11
> Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2010 09:11:08 -0400
> From: Steve Cook <STCook at sccb.sc.gov>
> To: NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: [gui-talk] Keys On A Laptop
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> Hi All,
>
> Is it possible to completely disable the keys on a laptop above the 
> function keys?  These are the keys that mute the sound if pressed, dims 
> the screen etc.  Thanks in advance for your help!
>
> Steve Cook
> SC Commission for the Blind
> 1430 Confederate Avenue
> Columbia, SC 29201
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> e-Mail: stcook at sccb.sc.gov
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> Message: 12
> Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2010 09:59:39 -0400
> From: trev.saunders at gmail.com
> To: NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>, Steve Cook
> <STCook at sccb.sc.gov>
> Subject: Re: [gui-talk] Keys On A Laptop
> Message-ID: <E1NxKvr-0002Mt-3j at main>
>
> Hi,
>
> yeah there's probably a setting somewhere in your bios for it, but unless 
> you re in the very unlikely position of having a serial port on your 
> laptop that the bios can use you'll need a sighted person.
>
> HTH
> Trev
>
>
>
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> Message: 13
> Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2010 08:59:39 -0700
> From: "Baracco, Andrew W" <Andrew.Baracco at va.gov>
> To: "NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List" <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [gui-talk] Keys On A Laptop
> Message-ID:
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> Why would you want to do this?
>
> Andy
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
> On Behalf Of Steve Cook
> Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2010 6:11 AM
> To: NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List
> Subject: [gui-talk] Keys On A Laptop
>
> Hi All,
>
> Is it possible to completely disable the keys on a laptop above the
> function keys?  These are the keys that mute the sound if pressed, dims
> the screen etc.  Thanks in advance for your help!
>
> Steve Cook
> SC Commission for the Blind
> 1430 Confederate Avenue
> Columbia, SC 29201
> Phone: (803) 898-8788
> e-Mail: stcook at sccb.sc.gov
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> Message: 14
> Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2010 12:20:45 -0400
> From: Doug Lee <dgl at dlee.org>
> To: NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [gui-talk] Keys On A Laptop
> Message-ID: <20100401162045.GB1351 at mini.local>
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> Some laptops I've seen use controls for those buttons that seem to
> sense the presence of your hand, which means you've pressed a button
> before you know you found it.  If that happens to be a mute button,
> you're in for a fun afternoon.
>
> On Thu, Apr 01, 2010 at 08:59:39AM -0700, Baracco, Andrew W wrote:
> Why would you want to do this?
>
> Andy
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
> On Behalf Of Steve Cook
> Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2010 6:11 AM
> To: NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List
> Subject: [gui-talk] Keys On A Laptop
>
> Hi All,
>
> Is it possible to completely disable the keys on a laptop above the
> function keys?  These are the keys that mute the sound if pressed, dims
> the screen etc.  Thanks in advance for your help!
>
> Steve Cook
> SC Commission for the Blind
> 1430 Confederate Avenue
> Columbia, SC 29201
> Phone: (803) 898-8788
> e-Mail: stcook at sccb.sc.gov
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