[gui-talk] Federal Circuit Court affirmed theUS PatentOffice Decision invalidating FreedomScientific's patent and eliminating their claims against GW Micro

Thomas Stivers thomas.stivers at gmail.com
Thu Nov 1 13:42:47 UTC 2012 

I have a Mac, but most of what I do is formatting and laying out moderately complex documents and spreadsheets. I can't even navigate what I make in Word and Excel when I open the files in Pages and Numbers. I would love to hear that I am missing something and handling formatting of documents and spreadsheets on the Mac works, but until then I work on the PC and play on the Mac.
All that said, the Mac sure is fun to play with

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From: gui-talk [mailto:gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Rafal Charlampowicz
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2012 8:02 AM
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Subject: Re: [gui-talk] Federal Circuit Court affirmed theUS PatentOffice Decision invalidating FreedomScientific's patent and eliminating their claims against GW Micro

I was going to have Mac at my work, but it turned out that I needed to use 
MS Outlook and a few other MS applications. I learnt that Voice Over 
supports none of them.
So deciding on Mac on should check if he or shee still would be able to do 
his or her job.

--
Rafal





-----Oryginalna wiadomosc----- 
From: Ray Foret Jr
Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2012 3:41 PM
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Subject: Re: [gui-talk] Federal Circuit Court affirmed theUS PatentOffice 
Decision invalidating FreedomScientific's patent and eliminating their 
claims against GW Micro

www.blindcooltech.com
and search for "Mac demo"

Those recordings are a little out of date now; but, they do provide an 
excelent overview of the basics.  Heck, that's how I learned.  IN fact, 
those recordings are how I decided to go for the Mac over windows 7.


Sincerely,
The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!

Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!

Skype name:
barefootedray

On Oct 31, 2012, at 9:22 AM, "Hoffman, Allen" <Allen.Hoffman at HQ.DHS.GOV> 
wrote:

> I believe head to head NVDA and JAWS are nearing one another.
> I keep thinking NVDA will pull ahead, but I don't believe it has just yet.
> My personal opinion of voiceOver on Mac is that it is darned difficult to 
> learn, but may provide pretty good accessibility.  I found IPhone hard to 
> learn when learning only on Ipad, but when I used IPhone it seemed easier. 
> I can do most things now on IPhone, but can't translate this knowledge 
> well to the Mac environment.  If someone has a tutorial that isn't 
> excruciatingly slow that teaches voiceOver and Mac at the same time and is 
> not feature by feature based, e.g. there are a lot of walk throughs which 
> teach invidiaul features, but I think I need a ground up tutorial better 
> than that built in to the VoiceOver itself, please post an URL.
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: gui-talk [mailto:gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mike 
> Arrigo
> Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2012 7:28 PM
> To: Discussion of the Graphical User Interface, GUI Talk Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [gui-talk] Fwd: Federal Circuit Court affirmed the US 
> PatentOffice Decision invalidating Freedom Scientific's patent and 
> eliminating their claims against GW Micro
>
> As far as whether the expensive screen readers have better application 
> support, it depends on what apps you are using. For scanning, that's easy, 
> docuscan plus has a version for the mac.
> On Oct 30, 2012, at 3:24 PM, Gerald Levy wrote:
>
>>
>> Again, I would challenge your assertion that a Mac can do things better 
>> than a Windows computer.  For instance, there is no Mac text to speech 
>> app that is remotely comparable to Open Book or Kurzweil 1000.  And if 
>> Macs are so superior to Windows machines, why haven't they been embraced 
>> by business users and government agencies?  You still get what you pay 
>> for.  While the Mac with Voice Over and the free and low cost commercial 
>> screen readers can do many things well, they nevertheless lack the 
>> panaply of features and compatibility with third-party programs that the 
>> more expensive commercial screen readers offer.
>>
>> Gerald
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Arrigo" <n0oxy at charter.net>
>> To: <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2012 2:40 PM
>> Subject: Re: [gui-talk] Fwd: Federal Circuit Court affirmed the US
>> PatentOffice Decision invalidating Freedom Scientific's patent and
>> eliminating their claims against GW Micro
>>
>>
>>> Yes, the mac is my primary computing platform for home use. Some may 
>>> disagree with me here, and that's fine, but, I think the days of the 
>>> expensive screen reader are numbered anyway. We now have system access 
>>> for windows at a much cheaper price, and NVDA is free and continues to 
>>> get better and better. We also have voiceover on the mac which does 
>>> things as good as the windows screen readers and in some cases better. 
>>> Microsoft has also included a much better version of narrator in Windows 
>>> 8. The reasons for purchasing the expensive screen readers are simply 
>>> disappearing.
>>> I think as time goes by, more and more computing will take place on 
>>> mobile devices such as smart phones and tablets. Many of these provide 
>>> accessibility out of the box. I'm not saying the desktop or laptop 
>>> computer will be gone next year, but I do think over the next few years 
>>> we will start to see that trend take place.
>>> Original message:
>>>> I could not agree more Mike!  Spot on.  IN fact, it was things such as 
>>>> this along with your Mac recordings that caused me to switch to my Mac 
>>>> back in November of 2009.  Justice has truly been served.
>>>
>>>
>>>> Sincerely,
>>>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
>>>
>>>> Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
>>>
>>>> Skype name:
>>>> barefootedray
>>>
>>>> On Oct 30, 2012, at 12:46 PM, Mike Arrigo <n0oxy at charter.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>> That was definitely a long time coming. Freedom science fiction got 
>>>>> what was coming to them, that law suit never should have been filed in 
>>>>> the first place. First they sued Serotek and then GW-micro. This is 
>>>>> one reason among others why I will never purchase or recommend Freedom 
>>>>> Scientific products, especially when their are much better products 
>>>>> available. A part of me thinks that GW-Micro should counter sue to 
>>>>> recover the costs associated with this, but I guess in a way that 
>>>>> would make them no better. At least Justice was served. The bible has 
>>>>> something very good to say about things like this. I'm paraphrasing 
>>>>> here, but, basically it says that those who try to ensnare and trap 
>>>>> others by digging a hole will fall in to it themselves. I'd say that's 
>>>>> what happened here.
>>>>> Original message:
>>>>>> The following message appeared on several of GW Micro's public
>>>>>> lists yesterday.  Reference is made to a large MP3 file that can
>>>>>> be downloaded to hear the arguments.  Some had trouble finding the 
>>>>>> file from the URL provided, so later this URL was provided to get 
>>>>>> more closely to the MP3 file:
>>>
>>>>>> http://oralarguments.cafc.uscourts.gov/default.aspx?fl=2012-1145.m
>>>>>> p3
>>>
>>>>>> ==================BEGIN FORWARDED MESSAGE==================
>>>
>>>>>> From: gw-news at gwmicro.com [mailto:gw-news at gwmicro.com]
>>>>>> Sent: Monday, October 29, 2012 9:46 AM
>>>>>> To: gw-news at gwmicro.com
>>>>>> Subject: Federal Circuit Court affirmed the US Patent Office
>>>>>> Decision invalidating Freedom Scientific's patent and eliminating
>>>>>> their claims against GW Micro
>>>
>>>>>> In July of 2008 on my first day back in the office after the Sight
>>>>>> Village conference, someone entered our office and handed me a
>>>>>> summons and notification of a lawsuit brought on by Freedom 
>>>>>> Scientific against GW Micro.  They received a patent for certain 
>>>>>> screen reader features and our response was that Window-Eyes had 
>>>>>> those same basic features several years prior to their patent.
>>>>>> This was the beginning of a long waste of time and money, which
>>>>>> finally came to a close last week.  GW Micro is vindicated - it's 
>>>>>> over - the court decided in our favor!
>>>
>>>>>> I won't provide all the details but in general, the Patent Office
>>>>>> reexamined their patent at our request and found it to be invalid
>>>>>> in view of prior art.  Both the patent examiner and the Board of
>>>>>> Appeals in the Patent Office came to the same conclusion
>>>>>> - the patent is invalid.  Despite those results, they asked for a
>>>>>> federal court to review the decision and again they came to the
>>>>>> same conclusion as everyone else.  You may listen to this final
>>>>>> argument by going to http://www.cafc.uscourts.gov/oral-argument-
>>>>>> recordings/search/audio.html search for Appeal 2012-1145, listen
>>>>>> to the MP3 file and you will easily come to the same conclusion as
>>>>>> everyone else.  Their original patent should not have been granted
>>>>>> in the first place and without the patent, there are no grounds for 
>>>>>> their lawsuit against GW Micro.  If you decide to listen to that 
>>>>>> file, you should be aware that it is a large file, which will take 
>>>>>> some time to download.
>>>
>>>>>> We want to thank you all for the many words of encouragement, support 
>>>>>> and prayers that we've received over these past 4 years.
>>>>>> Not one person ever suggested that we should do anything other
>>>>>> than fight and defend ourselves.  However, the sad fact is that
>>>>>> actions like this hurt all of us.  This caused a waste of dollars and 
>>>>>> time for both our companies, which could have been spent improving 
>>>>>> existing products and developing new ones.
>>>
>>>>>> GW Micro chooses to take the path of creating new products,
>>>>>> features and innovations and our recent release of our Window-Eyes
>>>>>> 8 public beta illustrates that perfectly.  If you haven't done so
>>>>>> already, I hope you will give it a try.  Simply doing that will show 
>>>>>> your support of GW Micro.  We promise to continue to work hard and 
>>>>>> conduct business in an honest and proper fashion.  The reputation of 
>>>>>> GW Micro will never be litigation instead of innovation.
>>>
>>>>>> ===================END FORWARDED MESSAGE===================
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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