[gui-talk] when will folks start raising hell regarding Windows Phone 8?

Fri Nov 30 18:04:38 UTC 2012

Allen,

Just so it is clear, my comments were regarding Windows 8 phone, that there is pretty good reason to believe that is being worked on.  Microsoft pretty much skipped us in terms of accessibility to the Windows 
7 mobile platform, but frankly, they ignored many other aspects of using a mobile phone that had to hurt them.  Of course, time will tell for sure how this plays out, but I feel pretty certain that if we don't get a 
sense that what we believe will eventually be coming to Windows 8 phones, that there will be complaints.

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson

On Fri, 30 Nov 2012 13:22:18 +0000, Hoffman, Allen wrote:

>Remember this about windows 8 phone, not desktop.  It's a big difference.  Frankly I don't think windows 8 on desktop is a big problem, and in reality has some improvements.

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>Subject: Re: [gui-talk] when will folks start raising hell regarding Windows Phone 8?

>Certainly we need to keep the heat on Microsoft regarding the accessibility of Windows 8.  For one thing, we just don't know how the market will change in a year.  If Microsoft is successful, Windows 8 could 
be making a dent in at least Android's sales.  One reason more has not been said is that there is some reason to believe that accessibility will be coming in Windows 8 for phones.  It doesn't have the priority that 
most of us would like, but we don't think that it has been complegely forgotten has been the case with some other current products.

>Best regards,

>Steve Jacobson

>On Wed, 28 Nov 2012 23:09:50 -0500 (EST), Jude DaShiell wrote:

>>With Apple and Android available, why would anyone need Microsoft?On 
>>Wed,
>>28 Nov 2012, Hoffman, Allen wrote:

>>> Lets be clear:
>>> Windows 8 for personal computers is not that big a deal in 
>>> accessibility terms and can work fine.  Windows 8 RT for some devices 
>>> can be problematic but is a small subset of windows.  Windows 8 Phone 
>>> is
>the key challenge.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: gui-talk [mailto:gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of 
>>> Gerald Levy
>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2012 8:19 AM
>>> To: Discussion of the Graphical User Interface, GUI Talk Mailing List
>>> Subject: Re: [gui-talk] when will folks start raising hell regarding Windows Phone 8?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Actually, this backwards step in terms of accessibility should have 
>>> been raised a year ago when Windows 8 was still in beta testing.  
>>> Everyone knew that it was going to be one big mess, but nobody at the
>so-called "advocacy" 
>>> organizations gave it much thought.  Now that the final product is 
>>> here and Windows 7 computers are rapidly vanishing from store 
>>> shelves, it is probably too late to do anything.  MS seems to be an 
>>> 800
>pound gorilla that nobody can stop.  But based on preliminary sales figures, Windows 8 could be a bigger disaster for MS than Vista.  And last week, Steve Sinofsky, the MS design executive responsible for 
launching Vista, Windows7 and Windows 8 abruptly left the company.  Some reports claim that he resigned before the you know what over Win 8 hits the fan.  Other reports assert that he was forced to resign 
because of personality clashes with MS CEO Steve Dallmer. 
>>> In any case, Win 8 could well turn out to be the Edsel of operating systems. 
>>> All we can do is hope that it is such a colossal commercial flop that MS will be forced to back peddle and release a more blind friendly OS with Windows 9.
>>> 
>>> Gerald
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Hoffman, Allen" <Allen.Hoffman at HQ.DHS.GOV>
>>> To: "Discussion of the Graphical User Interface, GUI Talk Mailing List" 
>>> <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2012 7:56 AM
>>> Subject: [gui-talk] when will folks start raising hell regarding Windows Phone 8?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> > Given the terrible accessibility support in the windows Phone 8 
>>> > release, not the first time for Microsoft, when will we, as a 
>>> > community feel its time to raise some real hell over this 
>>> > continuing lack of corporate responsibility?  Seems we focus a lot 
>>> > on Kindle, and rightly so, but Microsoft should not be let off the 
>>> > hook on this stuff.  In addition, when would we as a community 
>>> > think its time to raise hell over getting authoring tools which 
>>> > actually ensure accessibility of content produced rather than 
>>> > impose nearly impossible additional work on authors?  I'm sure 
>>> > battles must be picked, but am unclear on the strategy for picking them of late.
>>> >
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