[gui-talk] CAPTCHA is Frustrating; Solution Needed

Mon Feb 4 15:42:38 UTC 2013

Hello Gerald and everyone,

I couldn't agree with you more. And especially when there are alternatives 
to using captchas to control spammers and bots. There is supposed to be an 
article to appear in The Braille Monitor explaining these captcha 
alternatives. This will only change if the blind community becomes more 
aggressive in demanding the use of captcha alternatives or their elimination 
from Web and other Internet resources due to the accessibility issues they 
cause.

Peter Donahue

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gerald Levy" <bwaylimited at verizon.net>
To: "Discussion of the Graphical User Interface, GUI Talk Mailing List" 
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Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 6:53 AM
Subject: Re: [gui-talk] CAPTCHA is Frustrating; Solution Needed

One of the reasons that the captcha problem persists is that the blindness
advocacy groups have largely ignored it.  Their attitude seems to be that
there is little they can do to dissuade the use of image captchas, so that's
the way it is.  They will complain vociferously when a commercial or
government web site is not blind accessible, but if a mmajor retailer like
the Home Depot has an image captcha on its check-out page that prevents a
blind person from shopping without sighted assistance, they utter nary a
peep of protest.  Oh, image captchas are necessary to thwart spammers, blah,
blah,blah, they argue, and there is nothing they can do about it, so just
get over it.  Tough noogies, but that's the way it is.  Well, until this
attitude changes and the blindness advocacy groups forcefully demand that
web sites either abandon captchas or offer an accessible alternative, then
nothing will change.

Gerald

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rose Combs" <rosecombs at q.com>
To: "'Discussion of the Graphical User Interface, GUI Talk Mailing List'"
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Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 7:36 AM
Subject: Re: [gui-talk] CAPTCHA is Frustrating; Solution Needed

> Well, it defeats the purpose of the web page if we can't access it because
> we cannot understand the CAPTCHA!  There has to be a workable solution
> that
> works with all browsers.
>
>
> Rose Combs
> rosecombs at Q.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: gui-talk [mailto:gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mike
> Freeman
> Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2013 2:32 PM
> To: Discussion of the Graphical User Interface, GUI Talk Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [gui-talk] CAPTCHA is Frustrating; Solution Needed
>
> That would defeat the purpose of a CAPTCHA. If the audio is clearer, it
> would be for a machine also.
>
> Mike Freeman
> sent from my iPhone
>
> On Feb 2, 2013, at 13:05, "Rose Combs" <rosecombs at q.com> wrote:
>
>> Maybe we should have a code to type in so that the audio becomes clearer,
>> NFB and ACB or Topaz, you get the idea, don't ask where topaz came from
> just
>> fell of my fingertips.
>> Hmm, now I have to look up topaz because I have no clue what it is
> supposed
>> to represent other than one of the low-vision products.
>>
>>
>>
>> Rose Combs
>> rosecombs at Q.com
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: gui-talk [mailto:gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ray
>> Foret
>> Jr
>> Sent: Friday, February 01, 2013 3:41 PM
>> To: Discussion of the Graphical User Interface, GUI Talk Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [gui-talk] CAPTCHA is Frustrating; Solution Needed
>>
>> Not to mention which, if you use a Mac, you are about as stuck as you can
> be
>> unless you install and run windows on your Mac.  Now, Firefox is very
>> minimally accessible with the Mac:  and, I have heard of cases where Mac
>> users have been able to use Webvisum to solve captchas with the Mac
> version
>> of Firefox:  however, they tend to report that it's very much a hit and
> miss
>> proposition at the moment and not ready for prime time.
>>
>>
>> Sent from my mac
>> Sincerely,
>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray
>> Still a very proud and happy Mac and Iphone user!
>>
>> On Feb 1, 2013, at 4:14 PM, "Gerald Levy" <bwaylimited at verizon.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Currently, the only way to solve image captchas without sighted help is
> to
>> use Firefox with the Webvisum add-on, which works about 90% of the time.
>> Once you install Webvisum, you simply press Alt-Control-numrow 6 on the
> web
>> page that contains the captcha, and it is submitted to Webvisum which
>> then
>> uses some kind of proprietary method to solve it and return the result a
> few
>> seconds later to your clipboard, ready to be pasted into the appropriate
>> edit field.  Unfortunately, there is still no similar add-on for Internet
>> Explorer, and none of the commercial screen reader companies have
> expressed
>> interest in dealing with this issue because of legal and technical
>> challenges.
>>>
>>> Gerald
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jen" <spiderweb1 at sbcglobal.net>
>>> To: <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Friday, February 01, 2013 4:28 PM
>>> Subject: [gui-talk] CAPTCHA is Frustrating; Solution Needed
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hello everyone,
>>>>
>>>> My name is Jen, and I am a member of the National Federation of the
>>>> Blind of Connecticut.
>>>>
>>>> CAPTCHA is a huge problem for us and will probably get bigger because
>>>> more sites are using it. Like, I can't get into my SBC Global Web mail
>>>> because it requires CAPTCHA.
>>>>
>>>> So what is being done about CAPTCHA? How to solve it so it is
>>>> accessible
>>>> and secure?
>>>>
>>>> And not a lot of Web sites are doing anything about CAPTCHA...
>>>>
>>>> and the audio CAPTCHA's suck, too...I've tried them and can never get
>>>> them right...
>>>>
>>>>
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