[gui-talk] More IE Bug Material - Work-around

Fri May 2 14:45:42 UTC 2014

Allen, I believe it is ctrl+L instead of alt+L to launch a website. I
haven't used Firefox in quite some time, but if memory serves, CTRL+O also
works as a command for opening a locally sgtored HTM or HTML file. I did
like having that difference which is not available in MSIE.

It sounds like Google Chrome is much more screen reader friendly on a
smartphone than on the PC, but I'm curious as to how it compares to Safari
on the iPhone both in terms of overall performance and screen reader use
interface.
At this point I've only usedSafari on my iPhone. 
TIA and Best regards,
Rob Tabor

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From: gui-talk [mailto:gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Hoffman,
Allen
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2014 7:12 AM
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Subject: Re: [gui-talk] More IE Bug Material - Work-around

I would be amazed if any user had issues with downloading and installing and
using firefox if they were even remotely effective using IE with NVDA or
JAWS.  Can't speak to other screen readers out there.  Its just about as
transparent as one could possibly think it could be.  I use them
interchangeably between machines and don't really notice much other than
knowing to use alt-l to "open" pages in firefox and alt-o to "open" pages in
IE.  I wonder if MS patented use of alt-o for "open" so firefox had to use
something different?  I think in some situations there are some additional
configuration options in some screen readers for each browser but they are
really minor points overall in the scheme of things.  I've used Chrome to
some extent and found some greater differences but found it did work to some
extent.  I even used Chrome on my IPhone and found it pretty darned
good--which was a surprise to me.  Now, Opera, and other less
accessibility-supported browsers present enormous challenges, but I never
feel the need to use them.  One challenge is that some sites do almost
require IE use and you have to go back, so avoiding the IE security issues
is almost unavoidable eventually.  Sigh.  

-----Original Message-----
From: gui-talk [mailto:gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Don H
Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2014 9:56 PM
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Subject: Re: [gui-talk] More IE Bug Material - Work-around

I think that Microsoft has already released a IE update to solve this issue.

On 5/1/2014 8:46 PM, George wrote:
> Hi listers,
>
> Yes, Allen, I totally agree with you.  I had been using Internet 
> Explorer for years, but, this week, I downloaded and installed the 
> latest version of FireFox.  It's wonderful!  Much faster than IE, at 
> least in my pc, particularly when you press backspace to return to the 
> previous page!
> I was afraid I would have to learn a new interface, but it's almost 
> the same, except for some points that, I feel, are much better in 
> Firefox, for example, it's much easier to arrange the items of 
> Favorites or Bookmark in different folders, delete them, etc, just by 
> using the applications key.
> Also, when you install it, you can automatically import all your 
> settings of IE, including your Favorite links.  Only the order of your 
> favorite links will change to alphabetical order, but I thought it was 
> time to arrange many links into folders, anyway.
>
> I have been using it for about three days now and I haven't find any 
> problem or delay in doing anything I used to do with IE.
> I think the change does pay and I recommend you all to change to 
> Firefox, particularly if you need to use Windows Xp for a little more.
> Well, you might find some difficulties depending on what you do 
> regularly with IE, but I think you might enjoy many advantages, too.
> I'm using a laptop with Windows xp and Jaws 11.
> No plans to go back to IE.
>
> George
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hoffman, Allen"
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> Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2014 8:43 PM
> Subject: Re: [gui-talk] More IE Bug Material - Work-around
>
>
>> Maybe I missed it but what's wrong with just using Firefox?
>> It is not hard to figure out especially in comparison to all this 
>> workaround stuff which may or may not do the job.
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: gui-talk [mailto:gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mike 
>> Freeman
>> Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2014 7:20 PM
>> To: 'Discussion of the Graphical User Interface, GUI Talk Mailing List'
>> Subject: Re: [gui-talk] More IE Bug Material - Work-around
>>
>> Gregory:
>>
>> You're welcome. I've implemented the first work-around -- turned on 
>> advanced protection -- and, other than a box legitimately warning me 
>> of a PDF file download that I knew was OK because I trust the site 
>> (it's for our local ham radio club), I've noticed nothing different 
>> or amiss. Of course, peoples'
>> mileage may vary.
>>
>> Thanks for your wisecommentary.
>>
>> Mike
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: gui-talk [mailto:gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of 
>> Gregory D.
>> Rosenberg
>> Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2014 2:05 PM
>> To: Discussion of the Graphical User Interface, GUI Talk Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [gui-talk] More IE Bug Material - Work-around
>>
>> Mike,
>>
>> Those are good workarounds.
>>
>> For the benefit of all (not Mike) keep in mind they are workarounds 
>> and not fixes. I encourage anyone that puts these workarounds on to 
>> keep accurate notes so that if something does not work as expected 
>> you will have notes to look at to jog your memory as to what the last 
>> change was to your system.
>>
>> When MS has a fix you may need to back-out the workaround that you 
>> choose that best fits your computing environment.
>>
>> Take care for now. Mike, thanks for staying on-top of this issue for 
>> the list.
>>
>>
>> On Apr 30, 2014, at 13:43 CDT, Mike Freeman <k7uij at panix.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Check out:
>>>
>>> http://www.zdnet.com/microsoft-clarifies-workarounds-for-ie-zero-day
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