[gui-talk] Fwd: New Windows 10 accessibility features will improve many lives - TechRepublic
TaraPrakash
taraprakash at gmail.com
Thu Feb 9 14:55:27 UTC 2017
I fail to understand all the time why would a robust and reliable narrator would be antithetical to to a third-party software like jaws. Android has a built in accessibility text to speech option. That does not prevent third-party developers from creating applications to make android more accessible
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> On Feb 8, 2017, at 9:09 PM, Steve Jacobson via gui-talk <gui-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> As you may already know, some big improvements came out for Narrator last
> fall that includes the equivelent of a sort of Virtual Cursor on web pages.
> Narrator calls it their scan mode. In addition, according to a Microsoft
> BLOG post, there are further substantial changes and improvements coming
> this spring. These changes are only available in Windows 10 after the
> Anniversary upgrade.
>
> While I remain somewhat uneasy about a powerful narrator, not because I am
> concerned about anybody's bottom line but because I don't know if we would
> be adequately served by one scrreen reader, the move seems to be in that
> direction. It is not my impression that the NFB is opposing that at this
> point.
>
> I find the newest versions of Narrator to be much more full-featured, and
> their newest synthesizers are much more responsive. I still feel it is
> somewhat slower to respond than JAWS or Window-Eyes, though, but we'll see
> what happens.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Steve Jacobson
>
> At 06:12 PM 2/8/2017, you wrote:
>> We should be able to perform at least the basic functions using narrator.
>>
>> But NFB will not put pressure on Microsoft to make narrator more
>> disabled friendly
>> It will harm Freedom Sscientific s bottomline. I feel bad saying
>> anything more than nthat
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Feb 8, 2017, at 6:07 PM, Jen via gui-talk <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
> wrote:
>>>
>>> I personally can't stand Narrator. JAWS is still my favorite option.
>>>
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> Lee
>>> via gui-talk
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>>> Talk Mailing List <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Cc: Doug Lee <dgl at dlee.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [gui-talk] Fwd: New Windows 10 accessibility features will
>>> improve many lives - TechRepublic
>>>
>>> For what it's worth, here's my up-to-date view on the idea of Narrator
>>> becoming king of Windows screen readers:
>>>
>>> Quick background:
>>>
>>> Before Apple, we fought this because it would give Microsoft a monopoly
> on
>>> our very ability to access most computers, when we had no clear evidence
> or
>>> commitment that they would continuously prioritize their efforts to keep
>>> that accessibility for us.
>>>
>>> Apple changed the rules a bit by doing what we opposed Microsoft doing.
>>> Apple had no competition though, so there was no loss when they produced
>>> VoiceOver; only gain.
>>>
>>> Microsoft is starting to show some focus on accessibility
>> support, though it
>>> will take a while before I consider that a reasonable guarantee
>> for the long
>>> run.
>>>
>>> My conclusions:
>>>
>>> We can't be mad by now at Microsoft for trying to do this, whether we
>>> support it or not.
>>>
>>> JAWS and NVDA at least will continue to be important for years.
>>>
>>> If Microsoft knocks them out and we become dependent on Narrator or
> another
>>> Microsoft offering, time will tell if this was a wise transition. Again,
>>> Apple had no competition, but Microsoft always has.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Feb 08, 2017 at 12:00:30PM -0600, Wayne Merritt via gui-talk
> wrote:
>>> Yes, Narrator is not as feature-rich as JAWS or Window-Eyes. However,
>>> I have had JAWS crash or not read certain web elements on web pages,
>>> where Narrator or NVDA read them just fine. I heard people say what
>>> I'm about to say for the longest time and did not put any stock in it,
>>> until it happened to me; for tech people and perhaps the average user
>>> today, being able to use at least two screen readers works best. JAWS
>>> is still my preferred reader, but from time to time I am in situations
>>> where JAWS does not work as well as NVDA. I have also done some
>>> accessibility testing, and found this to be especially true. Some
>>> pages JAWS completely misses content, and NVDA is more accurate.
>>>
>>> Wayne
>>>
>>>> On 2/8/17, TaraPrakash via gui-talk <gui-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> No matter what Will have to depend onjaws Windows eyes etc. and NFB
> will
>>>> not put pressure on Microsoft so that accessibility with an operating
>>> system
>>>> is sufficient and no third-party screen reader is needed
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>>> On Feb 8, 2017, at 11:43 AM, Gregory D. Rosenberg via gui-talk
>>>>> <gui-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Good morning everyone,
>>>>>
>>>>> MS has added several improvement for their Narrator. Braille support
> and
>>>>> mono audio are amongst the enhancements. This is a BETA release for
> those
>>>>> that choose to receive Windows Updates for Windows 10 on the Windows
>>>>> Insider Fast Track.
> http://www.techrepublic.com/article/new-windows-10-accessibility-features-wi
> ll-improve-many-lives/?ftag=TRE684d531&bhid=24278129322317615159007803282442
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Braille support in Narrator (beta). Now, when you have a USB- or
>>>>> serial-based braille display attached to your PC you can use it with
>>>>> Narrator.
>>>>>
>>>>> Mono audio option. Visually impaired users who use a screen reader
> with
>>>>> headphones or earbuds can now enable a mono audio option in Ease of
>>> Access
>>>>> settings ???so the other ear is free to hear conversations and sounds
>>> around
>>>>> them.???
>>>>>
>>>>> Feedback Hub improvements. Microsoft is finally tackling the problem
> of
>>>>> too much duplicate pieces of feedback by letting user combined them in
>>>>> collections. Which can, collectively, be up-voted just like an
> individual
>>>>> piece of feedback.
>>>>>
>>>>> Night light improvements. The new Night light feature gets another
>>>>> improvement in this build, with the night light color temperature
> range
>>>>> extended to a very red (1200 K) color.
>>>>>
>>>>> See:
> https://blogs.windows.com/windowsexperience/2017/02/01/announcing-windows-10
>>> -insider-preview-build-15025-pc/#aoee4jFiqHPrCeoP.97
> <https://blogs.windows.com/windowsexperience/2017/02/01/announcing-windows-1
>>
>> 0-insider-preview-build-15025-pc/#aoee4jFiqHPrCeoP.97>
>>>>> for details of Windows 10 build 15025.
>>>>>
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