[gui-talk] Fwd: New Windows 10 accessibility features will improve many lives - TechRepublic
Gregory D. Rosenberg
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Thu Feb 9 16:38:43 UTC 2017
Good morning,
I wouldn’t worry too much. Microsoft won’t even be close to threatening FS for another 15 years give or take. If they intended to take the requirement seriously they would have done that a long time ago. It will always be treated like a bothersome step child.
Apple on the other hand could well be a threat. They are making a major push. A few years ago they created a special support group for us. Matthew (and I forget his last name) who worked in the Lincoln Park store was taken away from us and now plays a senior role in their development effort for all forms of challenges / disabilities. The guy he trained for his replacement thought me a good deal about VoiceOver. He was quite monumental in their achievements in these areas over the past few years.
> On Feb 9, 2017, at 10:17, TaraPrakash via gui-talk <gui-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> Yes but influential organizations will have to push towards that. I wish nfb pushed towards that scenario. But that hurts Freedom Sscientific
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Feb 9, 2017, at 10:57 AM, Mike Arrigo via gui-talk <gui-talk at nfbnet.org <mailto:gui-talk at nfbnet.org>> wrote:
>>
>> Hopefully the day will come when third party screen readers are no longer needed, and narrator will be as full featured as voiceover is on the mac, really that's the way it should have always been, we should never have had to pay extra money to access a computer, but for many years this was accepted as just the way it was. Fortunately that is changing now.
>> Original message:
>>> As you may already know, some big improvements came out for Narrator last
>>> fall that includes the equivelent of a sort of Virtual Cursor on web pages.
>>> Narrator calls it their scan mode. In addition, according to a Microsoft
>>> BLOG post, there are further substantial changes and improvements coming
>>> this spring. These changes are only available in Windows 10 after the
>>> Anniversary upgrade.
>>
>>> While I remain somewhat uneasy about a powerful narrator, not because I am
>>> concerned about anybody's bottom line but because I don't know if we would
>>> be adequately served by one scrreen reader, the move seems to be in that
>>> direction. It is not my impression that the NFB is opposing that at this
>>> point.
>>
>>> I find the newest versions of Narrator to be much more full-featured, and
>>> their newest synthesizers are much more responsive. I still feel it is
>>> somewhat slower to respond than JAWS or Window-Eyes, though, but we'll see
>>> what happens.
>>
>>> Best regards,
>>
>>> Steve Jacobson
>>
>>> At 06:12 PM 2/8/2017, you wrote:
>>>> We should be able to perform at least the basic functions using narrator.
>>
>>>> But NFB will not put pressure on Microsoft to make narrator more
>>>> disabled friendly
>>>> It will harm Freedom Sscientific s bottomline. I feel bad saying
>>>> anything more than nthat
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>>>> On Feb 8, 2017, at 6:07 PM, Jen via gui-talk <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> wrote:
>>
>>>>> I personally can't stand Narrator. JAWS is still my favorite option.
>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: gui-talk [mailto:gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Doug
>>> Lee
>>>>> via gui-talk
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 8, 2017 1:27 PM
>>>>> To: wcmerritt at gmail.com; Discussion of the Graphical User Interface, GUI
>>>>> Talk Mailing List <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Cc: Doug Lee <dgl at dlee.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [gui-talk] Fwd: New Windows 10 accessibility features will
>>>>> improve many lives - TechRepublic
>>
>>>>> For what it's worth, here's my up-to-date view on the idea of Narrator
>>>>> becoming king of Windows screen readers:
>>
>>>>> Quick background:
>>
>>>>> Before Apple, we fought this because it would give Microsoft a monopoly
>>> on
>>>>> our very ability to access most computers, when we had no clear evidence
>>> or
>>>>> commitment that they would continuously prioritize their efforts to keep
>>>>> that accessibility for us.
>>
>>>>> Apple changed the rules a bit by doing what we opposed Microsoft doing.
>>>>> Apple had no competition though, so there was no loss when they produced
>>>>> VoiceOver; only gain.
>>
>>>>> Microsoft is starting to show some focus on accessibility
>>>> support, though it
>>>>> will take a while before I consider that a reasonable guarantee
>>>> for the long
>>>>> run.
>>
>>>>> My conclusions:
>>
>>>>> We can't be mad by now at Microsoft for trying to do this, whether we
>>>>> support it or not.
>>
>>>>> JAWS and NVDA at least will continue to be important for years.
>>
>>>>> If Microsoft knocks them out and we become dependent on Narrator or
>>> another
>>>>> Microsoft offering, time will tell if this was a wise transition. Again,
>>>>> Apple had no competition, but Microsoft always has.
>>
>>>>> On Wed, Feb 08, 2017 at 12:00:30PM -0600, Wayne Merritt via gui-talk
>>> wrote:
>>>>> Yes, Narrator is not as feature-rich as JAWS or Window-Eyes. However,
>>>>> I have had JAWS crash or not read certain web elements on web pages,
>>>>> where Narrator or NVDA read them just fine. I heard people say what
>>>>> I'm about to say for the longest time and did not put any stock in it,
>>>>> until it happened to me; for tech people and perhaps the average user
>>>>> today, being able to use at least two screen readers works best. JAWS
>>>>> is still my preferred reader, but from time to time I am in situations
>>>>> where JAWS does not work as well as NVDA. I have also done some
>>>>> accessibility testing, and found this to be especially true. Some
>>>>> pages JAWS completely misses content, and NVDA is more accurate.
>>
>>>>> Wayne
>>
>>>>>> On 2/8/17, TaraPrakash via gui-talk <gui-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>> No matter what Will have to depend onjaws Windows eyes etc. and NFB
>>> will
>>>>>> not put pressure on Microsoft so that accessibility with an operating
>>>>> system
>>>>>> is sufficient and no third-party screen reader is needed
>>
>>
>>
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>>>>>> On Feb 8, 2017, at 11:43 AM, Gregory D. Rosenberg via gui-talk
>>>>>>> <gui-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>>>>>>> Good morning everyone,
>>
>>>>>>> MS has added several improvement for their Narrator. Braille support
>>> and
>>>>>>> mono audio are amongst the enhancements. This is a BETA release for
>>> those
>>>>>>> that choose to receive Windows Updates for Windows 10 on the Windows
>>>>>>> Insider Fast Track.
>>
>>
>>> http://www.techrepublic.com/article/new-windows-10-accessibility-features-wi
>>
>>
>>> ll-improve-many-lives/?ftag=TRE684d531&bhid=24278129322317615159007803282442
>>
>>
>>>>>>> Braille support in Narrator (beta). Now, when you have a USB- or
>>>>>>> serial-based braille display attached to your PC you can use it with
>>>>>>> Narrator.
>>
>>>>>>> Mono audio option. Visually impaired users who use a screen reader
>>> with
>>>>>>> headphones or earbuds can now enable a mono audio option in Ease of
>>>>> Access
>>>>>>> settings ???so the other ear is free to hear conversations and sounds
>>>>> around
>>>>>>> them.???
>>
>>>>>>> Feedback Hub improvements. Microsoft is finally tackling the problem
>>> of
>>>>>>> too much duplicate pieces of feedback by letting user combined them in
>>>>>>> collections. Which can, collectively, be up-voted just like an
>>> individual
>>>>>>> piece of feedback.
>>
>>>>>>> Night light improvements. The new Night light feature gets another
>>>>>>> improvement in this build, with the night light color temperature
>>> range
>>>>>>> extended to a very red (1200 K) color.
>>
>>>>>>> See:
>>
>>
>>> https://blogs.windows.com/windowsexperience/2017/02/01/announcing-windows-10
>>>>> -insider-preview-build-15025-pc/#aoee4jFiqHPrCeoP.97
>>
>>
>>> <https://blogs.windows.com/windowsexperience/2017/02/01/announcing-windows-1
>>
>>>> 0-insider-preview-build-15025-pc/#aoee4jFiqHPrCeoP.97>
>>>>>>> for details of Windows 10 build 15025.
>>
>>
>>
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