[gui-talk] Fwd: New Windows 10 accessibility features will improve many lives - TechRepublic

Mike Arrigo n0oxy at charter.net
Sat Feb 11 14:52:47 UTC 2017 

Yes, we only have one screen reader for appel, but it works well so there is no need for any others.
> On Feb 10, 2017, at 9:32 PM, David Andrews via gui-talk <gui-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> What you say sounds good, and is true in theory, but if there is a decent, free offering, it has to impact others. How many screen readers do we have for Apple. One!  I rest my case.
> 
> Dave
> 
> At 08:55 AM 2/9/2017, you wrote:
>> I fail to understand all the time why would a robust and reliable narrator would be antithetical to  to a third-party software like jaws. Android has a built in accessibility text to speech option. That does not prevent third-party developers from creating applications to make android more accessible
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> > On Feb 8, 2017, at 9:09 PM, Steve Jacobson via gui-talk <gui-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> >
>> > As you may already know, some big improvements came out for Narrator last
>> > fall that includes the equivelent of a sort of Virtual Cursor on web pages.
>> > Narrator calls it their scan mode.  In addition, according to a Microsoft
>> > BLOG post, there are further substantial changes and improvements coming
>> > this spring.  These changes are only available in Windows 10 after the
>> > Anniversary upgrade.
>> >
>> > While I remain somewhat uneasy about a powerful narrator, not because I am
>> > concerned about anybody's bottom line but because I don't know if we would
>> > be adequately served by one scrreen reader, the move seems to be in that
>> > direction.  It is not my impression that the NFB is opposing that at this
>> > point.
>> >
>> > I find the newest versions of Narrator to be much more full-featured, and
>> > their newest synthesizers are much more responsive.  I still feel it is
>> > somewhat slower to respond than JAWS or Window-Eyes, though, but we'll see
>> > what happens.
>> >
>> > Best regards,
>> >
>> > Steve Jacobson
>> >
>> > At 06:12 PM 2/8/2017, you wrote:
>> >> We should be able to perform at least the basic functions using narrator.
>> >>
>> >> But NFB will not put pressure  on Microsoft to make narrator more
>> >> disabled friendly
>> >> It will harm Freedom Sscientific  s bottomline. I feel bad  saying
>> >> anything more than nthat
>> >> Sent from my iPhone
>> >>
>> >>> On Feb 8, 2017, at 6:07 PM, Jen via gui-talk <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> > wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> I personally can't stand Narrator. JAWS is still my favorite option.
>> >>>
>> >>> -----Original Message-----
>> >>> From: gui-talk [mailto:gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Doug
>> > Lee
>> >>> via gui-talk
>> >>> Sent: Wednesday, February 8, 2017 1:27 PM
>> >>> To: wcmerritt at gmail.com; Discussion of the Graphical User Interface, GUI
>> >>> Talk Mailing List <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> >>> Cc: Doug Lee <dgl at dlee.org>
>> >>> Subject: Re: [gui-talk] Fwd: New Windows 10 accessibility features will
>> >>> improve many lives - TechRepublic
>> >>>
>> >>> For what it's worth, here's my up-to-date view on the idea of Narrator
>> >>> becoming king of Windows screen readers:
>> >>>
>> >>> Quick background:
>> >>>
>> >>> Before Apple, we fought this because it would give Microsoft a monopoly
>> > on
>> >>> our very ability to access most computers, when we had no clear evidence
>> > or
>> >>> commitment that they would continuously prioritize their efforts to keep
>> >>> that accessibility for us.
>> >>>
>> >>> Apple changed the rules a bit by doing what we opposed Microsoft doing.
>> >>> Apple had no competition though, so there was no loss when they produced
>> >>> VoiceOver; only gain.
>> >>>
>> >>> Microsoft is starting to show some focus on accessibility
>> >> support, though it
>> >>> will take a while before I consider that a reasonable guarantee
>> >> for the long
>> >>> run.
>> >>>
>> >>> My conclusions:
>> >>>
>> >>> We can't be mad by now at Microsoft for trying to do this, whether we
>> >>> support it or not.
>> >>>
>> >>> JAWS and NVDA at least will continue to be important for years.
>> >>>
>> >>> If Microsoft knocks them out and we become dependent on Narrator or
>> > another
>> >>> Microsoft offering, time will tell if this was a wise transition. Again,
>> >>> Apple had no competition, but Microsoft always has.
>> >>>
>> >>> On Wed, Feb 08, 2017 at 12:00:30PM -0600, Wayne Merritt via gui-talk
>> > wrote:
>> >>> Yes, Narrator is not as feature-rich as JAWS or Window-Eyes. However,
>> >>> I have had JAWS crash or not read certain web elements on web pages,
>> >>> where Narrator or NVDA read them just fine. I heard people say what
>> >>> I'm about to say for the longest time and did not put any stock in it,
>> >>> until it happened to me; for tech people and perhaps the average user
>> >>> today, being able to use at least two screen readers works best. JAWS
>> >>> is still my preferred reader, but from time to time I am in situations
>> >>> where JAWS does not work as well as NVDA. I have also done some
>> >>> accessibility testing, and found this to be especially true. Some
>> >>> pages JAWS completely misses content, and NVDA is more accurate.
>> >>>
>> >>> Wayne
>> >>>
>> >>>> On 2/8/17, TaraPrakash via gui-talk <gui-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> >>>> No matter what Will have to depend onjaws Windows eyes etc.  and NFB
>> > will
>> >>>> not put pressure on Microsoft so that accessibility with an operating
>> >>> system
>> >>>> is sufficient and no third-party screen reader is needed
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> On Feb 8, 2017, at 11:43 AM, Gregory D. Rosenberg via gui-talk
>> >>>>> <gui-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Good morning everyone,
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> MS has added several improvement for their Narrator. Braille support
>> > and
>> >>>>> mono audio are amongst the enhancements. This is a BETA release for
>> > those
>> >>>>> that choose to receive Windows Updates for Windows 10 on the Windows
>> >>>>> Insider Fast Track.
>> > http://www.techrepublic.com/article/new-windows-10-accessibility-features-wi
>> > ll-improve-many-lives/?ftag=TRE684d531&bhid=24278129322317615159007803282442
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Braille support in Narrator (beta). Now, when you have a USB- or
>> >>>>> serial-based braille display attached to your PC you can use it with
>> >>>>> Narrator.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Mono audio option. Visually impaired users who use a screen reader
>> > with
>> >>>>> headphones or earbuds can now enable a mono audio option in Ease of
>> >>> Access
>> >>>>> settings ???so the other ear is free to hear conversations and sounds
>> >>> around
>> >>>>> them.???
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Feedback Hub improvements. Microsoft is finally tackling the problem
>> > of
>> >>>>> too much duplicate pieces of feedback by letting user combined them in
>> >>>>> collections. Which can, collectively, be up-voted just like an
>> > individual
>> >>>>> piece of feedback.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Night light improvements. The new Night light feature gets another
>> >>>>> improvement in this build, with the night light color temperature
>> > range
>> >>>>> extended to a very red (1200 K) color.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> See:
>> > https://blogs.windows.com/windowsexperience/2017/02/01/announcing-windows-10
>> >>> -insider-preview-build-15025-pc/#aoee4jFiqHPrCeoP.97
>> > <https://blogs.windows.com/windowsexperience/2017/02/01/announcing-windows-1>>
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