[humanser] statistics course

Mon Aug 5 11:50:21 UTC 2013

Kaiti,
Well stated.

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From: humanser [mailto:humanser-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kaiti
Shelton
Sent: Monday, August 05, 2013 12:32 AM
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Subject: Re: [humanser] statistics course

Mary,

Great to know; as a student who is not very strong in math at all and never
really has been, it's heartening to know that graduate level stats courses
are somewhat different.  I did okay in the undergraduate class but it wasn't
stellar, and was a little weary about stats courses to come when I go for my
masters.

But, this brings up another really good point.  You as the student really
have to fascilitate any dialogue between the DS, your professor, and
yourself not just about your accomodations, but also pertaining to what you
might need in terms of time.  In addition to your professor meeting with you
in office hours, you can also try to see if the prof, DS, or both can find a
tutor who can work with you as well.  For me I was able to get the head of
the tutoring services in the ds office to refer me to a student who
specifically tutored kids in my Math 207 course, and he was wonderful
because he could explain concepts in several different ways until he found
the way that made the most sense from a nonvisual perspective.  I

Also, don't be afraid to work with other classmates, especially if one is a
friend.  I had a friend who took the class with the same professor and did
pretty well the semester before, and when I was really in a pinch I could go
to her for answering questions.  I also asked people who were blind and
taking stats courses in other universities how they were solving problems in
excel, since one of the challenges I was facing was that the sighted
students in my class were using graphing calculators for everything and of
course that wasn't something that was available to me.  Basically, don't be
afraid to use any and all resources at your disposal.

On 8/4/13, MARY CHAPPELL <MTC5 at cox.net> wrote:
> I completely concur with JD and others,  collaborative support of the 
> professor is critical to your success. My undergraduate statts class 
> was really the  most challenging course of them all. Before I even 
> applied for graduate school I met with my favorite prof who was the 
> graduate advisor. I asked him  what the challenges might be for a 
> blind student in a graduate psychology program and he said he could 
> not imagine teaching stats to a student who is blind. Stats is 
> necessary undergrad, and in any post grad endeavor. When the time came 
> for me to enroll I reminded him of his confession and he stepped up. 
> He first secured an outstanding TA (teaching
> assistant) who was committed to making all the formulas accessible, 
> understood the nuances of behavioral sciences and statistics, and had 
> a keen manner of making the untangible concrete. She knew that SPSS 
> was not readily accessible with JAWS and partnered with me to work 
> through all the steps with her acting as a reader. The partnering with 
> that professor allowed me to  complete that course with an A. 
> Advocating for one's self is important.
> Meeting with the professor in advance so that all workbooks and text 
> are made accessible to your preference is important and I would advise 
> that you not rely upon the Disability Service office to negotiate  on your
behalf.
> You need to ascertain your need;  following your gleening an 
> understanding of the course expectation and objectives make your 
> accommodation requests known to both prof and Disability Service Office.
>
> Master's and doctoral level stats classes are much more user friendly 
> as the objective is more focused on making the professional an astute 
> consumer of research so, there is a greater focus on research design, 
> inference and extrapolation. Students come to understand the 
> interpretive value of findings, strength of methodology and study 
> design to be able to appropriately apply research findings in your 
> work, whether research, clinical, or applied. Literature review, 
> critical comparison and contrast are typically part of those classes.
> Mary Chappell
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> From: humanser [mailto:humanser-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kaiti 
> Shelton
> Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2013 7:08 PM
> To: Human Services Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [humanser] statistics course
>
> Hi,
>
> I took a stats course just last semester.  Here are some things I 
> would suggest.
>
> 1.  The professor really is key.  You want someone who will be willing 
> to make reasonable accomodations and help you get the concepts, so 
> pre-screening your profs before you sign up for their section is good.
>  I was able to talk to my disability services staff and they put me in 
> touch with a great professor who was willing to set up office hour 
> appointments and go over material ooutside of class with me.
> Definitely try to pick someone who will be willing to work with you.
>
> 2. For graphs there are several things you could do depending on what 
> type of graph it is.  If your class is excel-based at all you can 
> perform a lot of the graph functions in excel.  If not, talk to your 
> ds office about them making the graphs for you.  My prof was very good 
> about giving the ds people advanced notice of what the homework would 
> be, so they were able to make my graphs and print them out on the 
> Tiger for me to feel.  In other situations when you have something 
> like a table, your professor can write that in a microsoft word 
> document.  We had a system of putting guided note sheets and any 
> diagrams like that in documents on a flashdrive and it worked out very 
> well.
>
> 3.  I'd get in touch with Arielle about your specific program, but 
> keep in mind that if it is not accessible to you then your DS office 
> and prof need to work with you to find a reasonable alternative for 
> the solution.  If you have not started any dialogue between your 
> professor, the ds office, and yourself yet I would do that as quickly as
possible.
>
> On 8/4/13, JD Townsend <43210 at bellsouth.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> Hello:
>>
>>
>> Having taken a few statistics classes all I can say is that each one 
>> has been different.  My favorite was in grad school as a part of my 
>> social work
>>
>> program.  In it reading and criticing various research study was in 
>> order with very little math.  The most difficult was in a psychology 
>> undergraduate
>>
>> class that focused entirely on the math.  As in most classes the 
>> teacher is
>>
>> the pivit point.  So, check out your favorite prof ranking site and 
>> choose the best.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: crystal redick
>> Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2013 2:52 AM
>> To: humanser at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: [humanser] statistics course
>>
>> Hello All,
>>
>> I hope everyone is enjoying their summer so far. I have a couple 
>> concerns I would like to discuss with you guys concerning my 
>> statistics course I will start in the fall. I do not know much about 
>> statistic courses, so I do not know what accomodations I should ask 
>> for. Does this class require the use of graphs and if so how did you 
>> work with them. I understand that the program SPSS is needed for the 
>> course I will take, but what worries me is that I have no clue how to 
>> use it. If any of you have used this program I would really 
>> appreciate your advice. I look forward to hearing from everyone.
>>
>>
>> Thank you,
>> Crystal Redick
>>
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