[humanser] Recording for note taking

Sat May 24 15:43:32 UTC 2014

	As for recording from a phone inside a purse or other hidden place, in many states it is a third degree felony to make an audio recording without the informed consent of all parties if there is a reasonable expectation of privacy. If you are in a public place, such as a bus, on the sidewalk, or in a store, there is no expectation of privacy. However, in the workplace, home, on the telephone, or other place where there is an expectation of privacy, such recordings are illegal!

Fraternally yours,
Marion Gwizdala

-----Original Message-----
From: humanser [mailto:humanser-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Karen Rose via humanser
Sent: Saturday, May 24, 2014 10:50 AM
To: Dr. Chappell; Human Services Mailing List
Cc: Doug Lee; Human Services Mailing List
Subject: Re: [humanser] Recording for note taking

Hi – why not take notes with a braille note taker? Or why not simply record on your phone from inside your purse and no one would ever know? Everyone else seems to be using their phones for this purpose. Smile. Karen

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> On May 24, 2014, at 9:37 AM, "Dr. Chappell via humanser" <humanser at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Doug,
> You spoke directly to my reasons for emphasing the request:
> 1. Obtain means to control my record of the meeting independent of any 
> other control; or arrange for the communication to be in writing in 
> the first place.
> 
> 2. Prevent any communication that could later be misrepresented with 
> no means of defense.
> Thank you for the encouragement and notable awareness. I will proceed 
> with caution.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: humanser [mailto:humanser-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Doug 
> Lee via humanser
> Sent: Saturday, May 24, 2014 8:39 AM
> To: Dr. Chappell via humanser
> Subject: Re: [humanser] Recording for note taking
> 
> This is not a legal opinion, and I do not possess sufficient legal 
> knowledge to render one. This is a personal opinion...
> 
> This sounds very strange to me from the beginning, as if they have 
> something to say of which they want limited if any record. I would, in 
> your position, want control of who is taking the notes if I didn't do 
> it myself, and I would want to know if it is legal for me to insist 
> that I choose my assistant and without providing any advance notice of 
> who I will bring to the meeting. I would also want to know if it is 
> legal for me to insist on permission to record the meeting, since it 
> sounds like the substance of the meeting concerns you and would not 
> contain sensitive information about anyone else. Finally, I wonder if 
> perhaps the organizers of the meeting would be willing to provide you 
> with the same information in writing rather than by talking to you in 
> a meeting whose record you are being forbidden to control. If it is 
> any official communication to you, such as a performance problem, a written account should not be a problem I would think.
> 
> The specific goals of my response to this situation would be as 
> follows, and I would want both met properly:
> 
> 1. Obtain means to control my record of the meeting independent of any 
> other control; or arrange for the communication to be in writing in 
> the first place.
> 
> 2. Prevent any communication that could later be misrepresented with 
> no means of defense.
> 
> I believe you were, and are, wise to pursue those goals with determination.
> 
> Best of luck to you.
> 
> On Sat, May 24, 2014 at 04:29:11AM -0400, Dr. Chappell via humanser wrote:
> I am wondering if anyone on this list has in depth familiarity with 
> ADA mandates regarding reasonable accommodations in the work place. 
> After recording notes in all personnel meetings, committee meetings, 
> and staff meetings for the past 5 years, since my hire date, I was 
> denied the opportunity. Today, when I arrived at what I perceived to 
> be an  oddly timed last minute meeting I was told that I would not be 
> able to record the notes during a meeting that was solely about my 
> role. When I reminded the unit manager that this is and always has 
> been my means of note taking, she told me that "recording had never 
> been authorized and would not be allowed. I declined the meeting and 
> noted I would not meet without being able to take notes. I was told 
> that someone in HR could attend and take notes on my behalf. When I 
> agreed to this, I was told that this option would not be available for 
> this meeting as that resource had not been  notified. I requested that 
> the meeting be rescheduled. Though the two individuals who had 
> scheduled the meeting seemed aggravated by my request, I believed it to be a reasonable accommodation.
> 
> Does anyone have any knowledge on the topic of reasonable 
> accommodations in the workplace?
> 
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