[il-talk] Fwd: Illinois Constitutional ConventionNoticeVoterInformation
AZNOR99 at aol.com
AZNOR99 at aol.com
Fri Nov 7 14:11:24 UTC 2008
In fact, now there is talk of an appeal of the decision to not pass the
constitutional convention based on the premise that people like us, who didn't
receive the new version, only had access to the bias version. So the question
is not by any means settled. We will likely have a do-over in next year's
election. They simply can't be sure that we didn't vote the way we did because
we had a misleading question. So by not giving us a copy of the question in
advance of us entering the voting booths, and by not offering to read us the
question, again, in advance, the polling judges may have invalidated the
results of the question.
Ronza
In a message dated 11/7/2008 8:35:26 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
pattichang at att.net writes:
I am not sure that pass or not passing is the issue when we are dealing with
equal access. The new version was mandated because the judge thought the
original was biased against passage. I think we should have the same
access as everyone else. Don't you?
Patti Gregory-Chang
President, National Federation of the Blind of Illinois
pattichang at att.net
www.nfbofillinois.org
----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert Hansen" <roberthansen1970 at gmail.com>
To: "NFB of Illinois Mailing List" <il-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 8:25 AM
Subject: Re: [il-talk] Fwd: Illinois Constitutional
ConventionNoticeVoterInformation
> It did not pass anyway.
>
> The question was on my ballot.
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 6:38 AM, CONCERNED CITIZENS OF PARATRANSIT <
> concernedcitizens at cometlink.com> wrote:
>
>> Ronza,
>>
>> Are you saying that the recorded question was not the same as the written
>> question?
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: <AZNOR99 at aol.com>
>> To: <il-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 11:44 PM
>> Subject: Re: [il-talk] Fwd: Illinois Constitutional Convention
>> NoticeVoterInformation
>>
>>
>> I was never given one at all. I had to use the question that was
>>> recorded
>>> by the audio ballot that had been stricken as bias. Anyone else?
>>>
>>> Ronza
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> In a message dated 11/4/2008 12:20:43 A.M. Central Standard Time,
>>> kelly at dls.net writes:
>>>
>>> I was given the information in large, clear print as was everyone else.
>>> The
>>> judge that I handed my application for early voting to asked me if I
>>> could
>>> read it or if he should read it to me. I was able to read it and told
>>> him
>>> so. Believe me, with the amount of time I had to wait to vote, I had
>>> plenty
>>> of time to consider the issue.
>>>
>>> Kelly
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: <AZNOR99 at aol.com>
>>> To: <iabs-talk at nfbnet.org>; <il-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 7:21 PM
>>> Subject: [il-talk] Fwd: Illinois Constitutional Convention Notice
>>> VoterInformation
>>>
>>>
>>> I sent a message to the Chicago Bar Association to ask what guidance
>>> they
>>>> might offer someone who is blind or print disabled. Their response is
>>>> below.
>>>> Basically, an election judge is required to read the question to
>>>> anyone
>>>> with
>>>> low vision or blindness prior to their entering the voting booth.
>>>> Has
>>>> this
>>>> happened to those of you who participated in early voting? I'm
>>>> curious
>>>> as to
>>>> how many of us will actually have an election judge do this.
>>>>
>>>> Ronza
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ____________________________________
>>>> From: bmcmeen at chicagobar.org
>>>> To: AZNOR99 at aol.com
>>>> CC: pollwatcher at chicagobar.org
>>>> Sent: 11/3/2008 4:58:49 P.M. Central Standard Time
>>>> Subj: RE: Illinois Constitutional Convention Notice Voter Information
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Dear Ronza: I have been informed that in the judgment that Judge
>>>> Howse
>>>> entered as well as his supplemental order that was entered last week
>>>> explicitly
>>>> requires the judges of election to read the Corrective Notice to
>>>> every
>>>> voter
>>>> who is vision impaired.
>>>> Please let us know if you have any other questions.
>>>> Beth
>>>>
>>>> Beth McMeen
>>>> CLE Director
>>>> The Chicago Bar Association
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: AZNOR99 at aol.com [mailto:AZNOR99 at aol.com]
>>>> Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 7:32 PM
>>>> To: cle at chicagobar.org
>>>> Subject: Re: Illinois Constitutional Convention Notice Voter
>>>> Information
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I want to know if it is a further violation to provide the document in
>>>> written form on election day but not provide a mechanism for reading
>>>> it
>>>> for those
>>>> of us who have print disabilities such as blindness. For example,
>>>> the
>>>> ballot
>>>> itself is now in an audio form for those of us who need such an
>>>> accommodation under the Help America Vote Act. Would the provision
>>>> of
>>>> written notice at
>>>> the polling site constitute a violation of this Act since there would
>>>> be
>>>> no
>>>> effective way for blind and print disabled voters to read it
>>>> independently?
>>>>
>>>> Ronza Othman
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> In a message dated 10/31/2008 2:59:25 P.M. Central Standard Time,
>>>> cle at chicagobar.org writes:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Dear CBA Member:
>>>> As you have probably heard, the CBA has filed suit challenging the
>>>> form
>>>> of
>>>> the ballot for the referendum in the upcoming election about the
>>>> calling
>>>> of a
>>>> Constitutional Convention in Illinois. The CBA has not taken a
>>>> position
>>>> supporting or opposing holding a Constitutional Convention. Our
>>>> lawsuit
>>>> is simply
>>>> intended to ensure that the referendum is conducted in a fair and
>>>> constitutional manner.
>>>> The circuit and appellate courts have agreed with us that the form of
>>>> ballot
>>>> certified by the State Board of Elections is inaccurate, biased, and
>>>> misleading. The courts have ordered that each voter, before voting, be
>>>> given a
>>>> "Corrective Notice" in the form of the attached pdf file entitled
>>>> "Con-Con
>>>> Notice." All voters throughout Illinois are supposed to receive the
>>>> Notice,
>>>> including those voting by absentee ballot, Early Voting, and on
>>>> Election
>>>> Day.
>>>> We believe that the Corrective Notice does not adequately remedy the
>>>> legally
>>>> defective ballot, and we intend to file a petition for leave to
>>>> appeal
>>>> after
>>>> the election asking the Supreme Court to decide that issue. In the
>>>> meantime,
>>>> however, we have received reports that some voters are not receiving
>>>> the
>>>> Corrective Notice. To attempt to determine the extent of compliance
>>>> or
>>>> noncompliance with the court orders requiring distribution of the
>>>>
>>> Notice,
>>>
>>>> we are
>>>> asking voters to fill-out the attached one-page affidavit (the pdf
>>>> file
>>>> entitled
>>>> "Con-Con Affidavit
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ") and return it to the CBA at pollwatcher at chicagobar.org
>>>> <mailto:pollwatcher at chicagobar.org> or by fax to (312) 554-2054.
>>>> Please feel free to forward this email to your colleagues, friends and
>>>> family. They should likewise feel free to forward the email to other
>>>> Illinois
>>>> voters. The more responses we receive, the better we will be able to
>>>> assess the
>>>> extent to which the remedy prescribed by the courts has been
>>>> implemented.
>>>> I am proud that our Association has taken a leadership role in this
>>>> matter.
>>>> With your assistance, we can try to ensure that the remedy fashioned
>>>> by
>>>> the
>>>> courts does not prove to be illusory.
>>>> Thank you for your help.
>>>> Sincerely,
>>>> Terrence M. Murphy
>>>> Executive Director
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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