[il-talk] hansen

[JOSEPH MONTI]

hi bob, thanks for the reply. i have had problems with mr. H for many years. in fact he unscribed from the list a few years ago because i called a skirt chaser more interested in coming to our meetings and social event s so as to hook up. hadn't heard from him in several years. if you read his comments about the letter in the trib you would feel that there is something seriously wrong with mr. H. and i mean mentally. 
in the past he has gone away when confronted. so i thought going after him now would accomplish this again.and i meant it abouty his drinking to excess. i have very mixed feelings about freedom of speech. i have heard DJs say be nice to blind people because they are all dumb. i wrote the station and emailed it but nothing ever happened. eventually he was fired for different reasons. as for the swearing i taught school for 40 years and boys and girls both used this language and worse. 
to me his statements show that he understands nothing about blind people. he was a high partial and seldom used a cane. 
in some ways i think the list did what it is suppose to do and provide a discussing of different ideas and thoughts. 
i hope Abby is improving daily and my daughter in law went through this with her first. 
take care,
joe

--- On Sat, 6/13/09, Robert Gardner <rgardner4 at gmail.com> wrote:


From: Robert Gardner <rgardner4 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [il-talk] hansen
To: "NFB of Illinois Mailing List" <il-talk at nfbnet.org>
Date: Saturday, June 13, 2009, 9:02 AM


Hi Joe

As Il-Talk list moderator, I recommended Robert Hansen be removed from the
list.  The action was taken by Dave Andrews, but I'm not sure he waited for
my recommendation.

First of all, Mr. Hansen denigrated people in an extreme way, and that won't
be tolerated on the list.

Secondly, we have freedom of speech on the list and in this country, but
society puts limits on what speech is acceptable, based on the social
setting.  If Mr. Hansen had read his message aloud in a restaurant, he
probably would have been kicked out.  If he had read his message aloud on
TV, he probably would have been fined.  If he'd read his message in a
church, I don't know what would have happened.  The bottom line is obscene
language of the sort he used in his message is not universally tolerated,
and it won't be tolerated on the list.

And finally, I wrote personally to Mr. Hansen explaining his transgressions
as I saw them.  I asked him to respond to me, to give me reasons why he
shouldn't be removed from the list.  He never responded.

Talk to you later,
Bob
----- Original Message ----- From: "JOSEPH MONTI" <jlmonti at sbcglobal.net>
To: <il-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2009 7:52 AM
Subject: [il-talk] hansen


> oh my gosh i'm actually writing in defense of mr. dude. i don't agree with
> almost anything he said, never have, but the last i looked, we live in the
> USA and in 1776 we fought for the right to speak freely. he didn't yell
> fire in a crowded theatre. he spoke his mind. i haven't read the book or
> seen the movie so i can''t give my opinion on it. hansen is the reason why
> we have the delete button or the off button or channel changer. i think
> hansen should have been warned that his ideas and language were not
> accepted by most people. Is the NFB so thin skinned that they can't see a
> blind person for what he is, an idiot. blind people have that right.
> i don't know if david andrews did this on his own or was instructed from
> above.
> i think it is too bad for all of us.
> joe monti
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