[il-talk] Need your feedback on our listservs

[Gregory Chang Patti]

I have been receiving feedback on our list serves.  I would appreciate it if people would respond to this survey offline to pattischang at gmail.com so that we can figure out what a majority of our members would like our listservs to do.  To respond offline, simply forward this message to pattischang at gmail.com.  You can then insert your responses after each question or give a general reply which will go only to me.  Thanks in advance for your feedback.

1.	Do you want to receive messages about individual accomplishments from members?
2.	Do you wish to receive health updates from members?
3.	Do you wish to receive things like weather reports from members?
4.	Would you prefer that short responses such as “thank you”, “that’s great” “Good for you”, “I agree”, or “Congratulations on …” “I’m glad you are feeling better” should respond off list to the sender on onlist so everyone can see the conversation in its entirety?
5.	Do you want to receive chapter news from all chapters or would you prefer that chapter news be sent to only those chapter members who belong to that chapter?
6.	Would you prefer that “how to…” questions are answered offlist to the sender of the message or onlist so we can all see the responses?
7.	DO you delete multiple messages based on subject line?  
8.	If so, is changing of the subject line in message strings important to you?
9.	Are you considering leaving one or more of our listservs because of volume?
10.	Do you find digest mode helpful?


 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Got any more ideas?
 
Jean Rauschenbach
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
From: Patti gregory [mailto:pattichang at att.net] 
Sent: Monday, November 11, 2013 3:01 PM
To: J Rauschenbach
Subject: Re: New topic. New subject line
 
I can definitely send it out. Can you please draft the questions?
 
Patti S. Gregory-Chang
NFBI President
NFB Scholarship Comm. Chair
Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 11, 2013, at 10:42 AM, J Rauschenbach <rauschjc at gmail.com> wrote:
If you mean do a survey on what people would like to see on this list, I think that's a good idea. I think you should start it though. It would probably come off better from you.

Sent from Jean's iPhone

On Nov 9, 2013, at 3:07 PM, Patti gregory <pattichang at att.net> wrote:
Maybe we should do a survey to see what the majority of members want?
 
Patti S. Gregory-Chang
NFBI President
NFB Scholarship Comm. Chair
Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 9, 2013, at 11:52 AM, "J Rauschenbach" <rauschjc at gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Patti,
 
No I do not skip messages. I delete them. When I see loads of subject lines the same, I read the first few in the thread and dump the rest. Like you just did, people need to respond to personal messages off list. I probably spend half an hour every day just going through all the stuff on this list. AND people don’t change the subject line when they change the topic of conversation. Then people wonder if I saw their message on a subject different than the subject line.  I think Bob G has tried to explain how to  respond to the individual, but people just won’t do it.
 
The Chicago chapter needs to have it’s own list serve. The rest of the state doesn’t need to hear all the stuff you do. Other chapters don’t post their stuff. Blackhawk sends out a newsletter now and then. That is a good place to make our chapter news public once a month.
 
There are a couple of prominent names that are posting dozens of times a day. Don’t they have anything better to do? The Minnesota state list is beautiful. It is strictly for state news and happenings. People don’t post all their ills. I feel badly for these folks, but it seems politically incorrect to not want to hear about these sorts of things.
 
Messages like “thanks”
“That is good news”
“I hope you are feeling better”
All need to be sent to the person OFF LIST.
 
Sorry Patti. You asked me a simple question, but I gave you far more than you asked for. Just call me a “loose cannon” if you want. Just be glad I didn’t say all this on the list. I know I am not the only person who feels this way, but you know I would be the one to speak my mind.
 
Respectfully,
Jean
From: Patti gregory [mailto:pattichang at att.net] 
Sent: Friday, November 08, 2013 3:43 PM
To: Jean Rauschenbach
Subject: Fwd: [il-talk] 'Tis the season
 
Do you really skip all the messages I post?
 
Patti S. Gregory-Chang
NFBI President
NFB Scholarship Comm. Chair
Sent from my iPhone

Begin forwarded message:
From: J Rauschenbach <rauschjc at gmail.com>
Date: November 8, 2013 at 3:33:02 PM CST
To: NFB of Illinois Mailing List <il-talk at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [il-talk] 'Tis the season
Reply-To: NFB of Illinois Mailing List <il-talk at nfbnet.org>
Finally an ill talk message that I actually read.!

Sent from Jean's iPhone

On Nov 7, 2013, at 2:09 PM, "Don Gillmore" <don.gillmore at gmail.com> wrote:
 
. 'Tis the season for ideologically pure Yule carols Hallmark's offending ornament highlights need for old songs to toe today's political line. Rex W. Huppke. As any biblical scholar will tell you, Christmas carols are meaningful only if their lyrics align perfectly with the singer's ideology. . If you attempt to sing "Grandma Got Run Over by a Reindeer" without a heartfelt belief that reindeer have a God-given right to trample the elderly, the words undoubtedly ring hollow. So I was surprised last week to see the greeting card company Hallmark in trouble for making a sweater-shaped ornament adorned with the words: "Don we now our FUN apparel! The actual Christmas carol lyrics are: "Don we now our gay apparel. Hallmark officials said they were trying to make the words more current, but liberals and conservatives both took umbrage. Conservatives felt changing "gay" to "fun" was an example of political correctness run amok, and the only thing worse for a conservative than amok-running political correctness is gay people co-opting the festive word "gay. Liberals suspected Hallmark was having a homophobic reaction to the word "gay," presuming, I suppose, that the company was guilty of catering to the coveted "bigoted ornament purchaser" demographic. Regardless of which side was right -- and because we live in a politically polarized country, I'll assume both were right -- Hallmark did us a great service by drawing attention to the ideological impurity of many Christmas songs. To right this wrong, I assembled the lyrics to some of the more popular Christmas carols and scoured them for words or phrases that might be offensive to liberals or conservatives. Here are the results, along with recommendations to make sure our holiday songs pair nicely with each person's politics. For liberals: The song "Deck the Halls," which contains the aforementioned gay apparel reference, has another problematic phrase: "See the blazing yule before us. That refers to a large log, usually burned in a fireplace on Christmas Eve. This raises concerns over carbon emissions and deforestation. The lyric should read: "See the blazing hi-def fireplace iPad app before us. In "A Holly Jolly Christmas," the lyrics refer to "the best time of the year. This is potentially offensive to other times of the year and should be changed to: "a time of year that's equally as good as any other. The classic "White Christmas" is, of course, completely racist and must be banished entirely from liberal holiday songbooks. "Frosty the Snowman" is a nearly flawless carol, aside from the nettlesome fact that his eyes are "made out of coal. More environmentally friendly eyes are in order, preferably "eyes made out of locally grown edamame soybeans. The line from "The Christmas Song" that refers to "folks dressed up like Eskimos" may be insulting to indigenous peoples and should be generalized to: "folks dressed up in culturally authentic regional garb. For conservatives: The classic "Here Comes Santa Claus" contains the phrase: "He doesn't care if you're rich or poor, he loves you just the same. That clearly does not encourage American exceptionalism and should be changed to: "He only cares that you lift yourself up by the bootstraps without governmental assistance. "I Saw Mommy Kissing Santa Claus" does not reflect decent family values and should be thrown on the yule log. (Yule log is fine for conservative carols.) "Feliz Navidad" is a wonderful tune, but it must be sung ONLY in English. While well-intentioned, "Joy to the World" makes America sound weak on foreign policy. It should be tweaked to read: "Joy to America and to Any Other Country That Does Not Present a Threat to Our Safety and Sovereignty. Finally, in "Santa Claus is Coming to Town," the bearded man from the North Pole is "making a list and checking it twice. That sounds too much like centralized government picking winners and losers. The preferred phrasing would be: "He's allowing the free market to decide who is worthy. A couple of other songs might be of concern to both liberals and conservatives. "Winter Wonderland" refers to a snowman called "Parson Brown. The liberal version should include a nondenominational justice of the peace who could be either a snowman or snowwoman. Conservatives should opt for an evangelical Christian snowman. Also, liberals need the song to make clear that the marriage in question is available to opposite- or same-sex couples, while conservatives must assert that meadow marriages are only between a man and a woman. "The Twelve Days of Christmas," for liberals, creates problems with the gender-demeaning "maids a-milking" and "ladies dancing," along with "geese a-laying," which hints at animals living in confinement. For conservatives, the song presents only one problem: Who the heck would celebrate Christmas with "French" hens?
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Patti Gregory Chang
NFBI President
NFB Scholarship Committee Chair