[il-talk] Fwd: Braille signs in Trump Tower

Fri Sep 14 18:06:03 UTC 2018

I agree this is old news, but brought up recenttly.   There is nothing really to do as an organization on this matter.   However, knowledge is power and ensuring all blind individuals realize that topics of the time is a good thing.   This way they can approach this matter from an informed perspective and present the importance of Braille.

  Just ignoring it and allowing others to frame the Braille and Accessibility issues is too loose them in the long run.  It is always better if the Blind frame discussions and positions.  Rickabono recently expressed frustration in NFB being excluded from N.I.B.
So while the world is discussing Braille in Elevators it is a good time to reiterate the importance and displeasure in people's attitudes against accessible features.

Lewis Wood

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Subject: Re: [il-talk] Fwd: Braille signs in Trump Tower

Hello all,
I saw a post from Bill yesterday. I also saw something about this on
facebook, not that I am inclined to get all my news from there. I am a bit
confused here. Bill suggested in his e-mail that this was something from
long ago, and it was unsuccessful. So, if it was something that had no
success, what would be the reason for us to become involved with the issue.
I can let you all know that we do have some other serious governmental and
legislative issues to confront, and we will have to devote our attention to
those.
I do agree that this listserv is not designed for political stances.

 Denise R. Avant, President
National Federation of the Blind of Illinois
(773)-991-8050
Live the life you want.
For more information about NFBI,
go to www.nfbofillinois.org<http://www.nfbofillinois.org>.

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I  agree with Lewis, Leslie and Robert.  This issue has been brought up and
we need to address it before it becomes a  problem in more than one
building.  As I  stated before "Literacy is for everyone" If they're not
going to take the print numbers out of the elevators, they shouldn't take
out the Braille. We absolutely                    should be concerned when we
should be fighting for more Braille, not allowing less.

Debbie P.

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Bill Reees  you are right this is an old matter.    However, NewsWeek has
chosen to bring this issue up.    Sure it is a character slam.   Matters
not, the issue is now front and center.   Ignoring it and proclaiming it old
matter is a disservice to Blind issues.

So relevance and discussion of how wrong and narrow minded this train of
thought is, is proper for discussion.

after  all time and time again, powers that be work  to erode our rights and
prop up others.   Such as  ADA  erosion.

That is why we should stay on top of it. Lewis Wood

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I agree with Leslie. Do we have to wait till something happens before we
step in? Shouldn't we get word of what could happen and then prevent it from
happening? If somebody were to take Braille stickers and signage off of the
elevators right now and then just talk about it shouldn't we stand up and
say hey you can't do that?! Or do we wait till they take them off and then
say something?! What are we advocating for then? I say let's stop stuff
right in its tracks before it even gets a chance to happen.

Sincerely
Robert A. Hansen
hansen.robert70 at gmail.com
Robert A. Hansen

On Thu, Sep 13, 2018, 2:45 PM Leslie Hamric via IL-Talk <il-talk at nfbnet.org>
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> So let me ask you this. Would it be an issue if the braille signs were
> actually removed? Why even let it get that far? Why shouldn't the
situation
> be stopped dead in its tracks?
> Leslie
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Sep 13, 2018, at 1:58 PM, Bill Reif via IL-Talk
> > <il-talk at nfbnet.org>
> wrote:
> >
> > I agree with Bob Gardner that this message does not present a
> > blindness
> issue. The discussion is one of Trump's character, and refers to an
> issue dating back to the 1980s. It is not one on which we can or
> should take action now. The fact that the order was not carried out
> his testament to our advocacy regarding accessibility.
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On Sep 12, 2018, at 9:08 PM, Dan Tevelde via IL-Talk <
> il-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hello All
> >>
> >> I can't post this to Facebook because I'm not a Washington Post
> subscriber.  I thought you might find this interesting.  I guess this
> is indicative of what type of person Trump is.
> >>
> >> Dan
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >> Begin forwarded message:
> >>
> >>> From: Christopher Millsap <christopher.millsap at gmail.com>
> >>> Date: September 12, 2018 at 8:46:06 PM CDT
> >>> To: Dan Tevelde <dan.tevelde at comcast.net>
> >>> Subject: Braille signs in Trump Tower
> >>>
> >>>
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from-elevators-in-early-1980s-executive-says/2018/09/12/67d97548-b6a6-11e8-a
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