[Job-Discussions] Disclosing about your visual impairment
Justin Williams
justin.williams2 at gmail.com
Sat May 22 15:03:19 UTC 2021
Okay.
True.
I've never tried that, much.
Always thought it a waiste of time accept for in a few instances.
Best I've offered was to just put in a good word for me, and drop my resume off like you would anyone else.
But don't say anything about blindness, because they always seem to mess that up.
Thanks, for the suggestion, though. Got to do more prep work.
Thanks,
Justin
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Prepare them.
Dick
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I've found that sighted people can really mess things up for you, almost apologizing for your blindness rather than really helping you?
Is there a strategy to make that work?
I hope I'm clear?
Thanks.
Justin
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I have found that sighted people find other sighted people more credible.
So if you have a sighted person who can tell them that you will do a really great job, they may be more likely to believe that person. Kind of like the way blind people tend to trust other blind people.
Dick
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So in your email when you say
6. Sighted people trust other sighted people, so give the interviewer someone sighted to talk to
Can you clarify what you mean or how that might work?
>From David
On 5/21/21, Dick Davis via Job-Discussions <job-discussions at nfbnet.org>
wrote:
> Hi Justin,
> I meant regarding blindness. It puts you in charge of the discussion
> and shows that you are willing to meet them halfway. You need to
> establish yourself as the expert on blindness. Too many blind people
> take a passive approach, hoping the issue doesn't come up. An
> employer can sense that unwillingness and it makes them unwilling to
> take the risk of hiring that person. If you don't actively discuss
> blindness and reasonable accommodations, you won't get the job.
> Dick
>
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>
> Dick, Opening the floor the day before the interview for questions is
> very creative, I didn't think of that.
>
> On point number four?
> You said:
> Anticipate questions the employer may ask, especially about how you
> would do the job, and answer them during the interview. It helps to
> say, "If I were you, I'd be wondering how I can do this particular job.
> Here's how."
>
>
> Did you mean that as just pertaining to the job, and the job skills,
> or how you do the job as with blindness?
>
> Justin
>
>
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>
> Hi Everyone,
> This is an interesting discussion. Jess, being from Hong Kong, is
> facing a different culture and different laws than those of us in this
> country, so her methods may need to be different. But there are some
> things that can be distilled from this discussion:
>
> 1. Under the U.S. Americans with Disabilities Act, a jobseeker is not
> required to disclose their disability to an employer.
> 2. I usually recommend disclosing your blindness when it helps you and
> not disclosing it when doing so would hurt you. For example, many
> employers in the U.S. have federal contracts and are obligated to hire
> persons with disabilities as part of their workforce, across all job
> categories. That is one case in which disclosure in a resume and
> cover letter is highly beneficial, as you will be screened in, not out.
> 3. Sometimes it is a shock to an employer to see a blind person come
> in for an interview with no prior warning. You can avoid this by
> confirming your interview the day before and then telling the employer
> that since you don't like to surprise people, you wanted to let them
> know they will be talking to a blind person. At that point, ask them
> if they have any questions for you.
> Doing this shows you are considerate. But confirm the interview first.
> 4. Anticipate questions the employer may ask, especially about how you
> would do the job, and answer them during the interview. It helps to
> say, "If I were you, I'd be wondering how I can do this particular job.
> Here's how."
> 5. Make it clear that most of the things the employer has been told
> about blindness are misconceptions, "old wives tales", or whatever
> term you want to use, and that if they want to know something, just ask.
> 6. Sighted people trust other sighted people, so give the interviewer
> someone sighted to talk to.
> 7. Avoid legal language or jargon, except the kind the employer uses.
> Use lots of that, so they know you understand what they do.
> 8. At the end of the interview, ask for the job if you want it.
> Oddly, nobody ever does that. Ask, "Would you like to give me a try?"
> 9. Ask good questions throughout the interview. It shows you are
> interested in the job.
> 10. Give them examples of situations in which you solved a given
> problem or got something difficult done. Blind people are great
> problem solvers.
>
> Anyway, that's enough from me. Not everything will work in every
> situation, so just play it by ear.
>
> Dick Davis, Chair
> NFB Employment Committee
>
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>
> I have often compared the question about whether to disclose my
> blindness with the question of whether or not to disclose my race,
> religion, or sexual orientation. If an employer would not ask me about
> these other factors, and would not consider it a violation of
> integrity to fail to disclose those facts about myself, then I do not
> understand why an employer would find it necessary for me to disclose
> my blindness?
>
> Karen Rose MFT/LPCC www.career-therapy.net
>
>> On May 19, 2021, at 8:27 PM, Jess Shek via Job-Discussions
>> <job-discussions at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> Thank you so much everyone for your thoughts.
>>
>> Regarding Sandra's view, yes I thought about the perspective of being
>> rude by not disclosing the visual impairment upfront. However, in
>> Hong Kong, people's mindset are still not that open enough to think
>> of hiring a person with a disability. And from my experience, when I
>> disclose my blindness upfront when first contacted by recruiter, they
>> hesitated, and ended up I would not hear from them anymore even
>> though I follow up with them. Also I think a job applicant has the
>> responsibility to think about if they can really do the job before
>> making their application. For example, as a totally blind person, I
>> will not apply for jobs such as driver, hairdresser and so on :)
>>
>> Yes I agree with Nicole and the other's views that it's a personal
>> decision. Really thank you so much everyone for sharing with me your
>> thoughts. Indeed, I will check the relevant laws here in Hong Kong to
>> see if job seekers must disclose their disabilities. My friend ended
>> up lost her offer, as the employer thought that it's a problem for
>> her not disclosing her disabiility, that they were in doubt with her
>> integrity.
>>
>> Thank you everyone once again, and happy to hear more of your thoughts.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Jess
>>
>>> On 5/20/21, nmpbrat at aol.com <nmpbrat at aol.com> wrote:
>>> Jess,I really think it is a personal choice and know of people doing
>>> it both ways. I have always chosen to disclose at the interview for
>>> the very reason you described in your message... that the employer
>>> would feel as though I was not honest with them. I felt that even
>>> though I'd have the job, it could put a damper on the new
>>> relationship between myself and the employer.
>>> I also felt that if an employer really didn't want me because of my
>>> visual impairment and couldn't see past it to see all that I could
>>> offer them, then I didn't want to work for them anyway. I want to
>>> work for people who can at least respect me for the person that I am
>>> and can see past the disability.
>>> When I disclosed, I always tried to put a spin on it that would
>>> hopefully put them at ease and encouraged them to ask questions so
>>> that I could deal with any misconceptions they might have. I also
>>> understand why many people are hesitant to disclose, as I am also
>>> keenly aware of the fact that there
>
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