[Job-Discussions] introduction and two questions.
Karen Rose
rosekm at earthlink.net
Fri Jan 14 17:56:36 UTC 2022
Hi Julie. Glad you were out here. :-) Another wait for us to go is to find new, work from home self-employment. What can each of us do to help a small business who wants to stay open. Could we do it from home? Could we simply propose to a small business locally how we could help them to stay open for a few days when another employee is home in quarantine? We probably each know someone who owns a small business that is having trouble staying open right now.
Karen Rose MFT/LPCC www.career-therapy.net
> On Jan 14, 2022, at 7:19 AM, Julie McGinnity via Job-Discussions <job-discussions at nfbnet.org> wrote:
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> Hi all,
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> What an interesting thread. I'm not sure Melissa envisioned her
> question turning into this discussion.
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> I agree with Karen in a way. Throughout the pandemic, I have been
> asking myself how we can market ourselves to employers who are
> desperate for workers. It seems tragic to me that we are left out of
> the labor market in general, but at a time like this, it's just so
> unnecessary. But we must target our campaigns like Dick suggests. It's
> not all about advertising and hoping for the best. Unfortunately,
> employers need more than that.
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> Accessibility is an even larger barrier than many of us probably
> realize. The gap between the development of technology and the amount
> of that technology we can access is ever increasing. I took a job this
> summer, and I actually needed a reader just to do simple tasks, like
> helping me fill out a time sheet and make online documents accessible.
> And this was with an employer who did everything they could to
> accommodate. The tendency is to believe that work from home jobs are
> the solution, but my experience working from home has been that
> employers are more difficult to get a hold of when there are issues,
> and the time spent waiting for responses and fixes is much longer than
> it would be in person.
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> Ok, so my complaining session is over. These are just my observations.
> I think the employment committee has done a lot in the last several
> years. But I also think that it takes a village to raise an employer.
> Maybe I shouldn't sound so flip, but even the most open of employers
> need educating. So it's not an advertising campaign we need, it's
> people who are willing to sit down and educate potential employers.
> And that's the tough part. We have to convince them that once they are
> properly educated, they will get talented employees out of the
> bargain. In some cases, we have to convince them that literally
> overhalling their inaccessible systems is worth it. And sadly, for
> some employers, it won't be.
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> However... We should definitely engage in those training efforts where
> we can. We need to engage the best minds in accessibility to tackle
> those barriers, and we should have them team up with those who have
> the power to change attitudes about blindness. The truth is that
> Robert is right. Most sighted people have never even met a blind
> person, and they don't know how we do the most basic of life tasks.
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> Perhaps this is what the employment committee is already doing. I
> don't know the details. But as someone who has been and will be in the
> job market sooner than I would like, I have been pondering possible
> strategies for improving the employment outcomes for blind people. I
> wish every affiliate could have an employment specialist to work on
> local employment issues. I wish, like Dick said, chapters would have
> an employment focus time at every meeting or separate from meetings.
> The employment focus time could also include info about volunteer and
> educational as well as advancement opportunities for those who may not
> be looking for work for whatever reason.
>
> Getting blind people employed has to be a coordinated team effort. I
> love that so many of us on this list are willing to help. I am also
> passionate about this topic and will be glad to help in any way I can.
> The key for blind people is to not give up, to keep moving/seeking in
> whatever ways we can, and to stick together. If employers don't want
> to hire us, then we must try to motivate and inspire one another so
> that we have the courage to keep trying, keep approaching, and
> continue working together to educate them.
>
> Good luck, Melissa. Hopefully you find some promising opportunities at
> the job fair coming up soon.
>
> Julie
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>> On 1/13/22, Justin Williams via Job-Discussions
>> <job-discussions at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> True.
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>> You've put forth a yeomen's effort.
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>> Justin
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>> From: Job-Discussions [mailto:job-discussions-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
>> Of Ericka via Job-Discussions
>> Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2022 3:09 PM
>> To: Job Discussions internet Mailing List <job-discussions at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: Ericka <dotwriter1 at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Job-Discussions] introduction and two questions.
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>> I agree Justin. There isn’t much here though. One independent living center
>> and Wisconsin does things very differently from another. And nothing in the
>> state of Wisconsin required to fill out or websites mind you is accessible.
>> It’s a fight we have been fighting and are still losing it. The staff on the
>> ground knows that things aren’t accessible. The upper echelon who makes the
>> decisions doesn’t care. You can get anything from the state of Wisconsin in
>> a different language. Rail in large print is not one of them. They build an
>> app that isn’t accessible so the letters that you could read are still not
>> accessible. I can’t do it alone. I’m trying to do my best.
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>> I wish we had the amount of NFB members in Wisconsin that we used to.
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>> Ericka Nelson
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>> On Jan 13, 2022, at 9:11 AM, Justin Williams via Job-Discussions
>> <job-discussions at nfbnet.org <mailto:job-discussions at nfbnet.org> > wrote:
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>> Joining network after work for some of you might be good on the meet up
>> list.
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>> Using mainstreme community resources in combination with what we are doing
>> will be good.
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>> Justin
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>> From: Job-Discussions [mailto:job-discussions-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
>> Of Ericka via Job-Discussions
>> Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2022 9:18 AM
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>> Cc: Ericka <dotwriter1 at gmail.com <mailto:dotwriter1 at gmail.com> >
>> Subject: Re: [Job-Discussions] introduction and two questions.
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>> Exactly what I was trying to say. This is what I want to have happen. If
>> they can put that much energy into automatic cars which I don’t trust they
>> can put this much energy into educating employers. Problem with the career
>> fair is that most of the people out there are tech companies which doesn’t
>> go well with my social work skills. Plus at my age I don’t want to move out
>> of the area just for a minimum wage job because I haven’t had a lot of
>> direct experience. What you’re doing will help the 18 and 19-year-olds, but
>> not us who have probably another good 20 years to work. I didn’t get any
>> training in how to advocate for reasonable accommodations when I was at
>> BLIND Inc.. I asked but nobody would talk to me. I have experience in the
>> political arena but not good experiences with employers. They don’t take
>> blind people seriously one on one . That’s my experience. The amount of
>> education needed I can’t provide the entire city of Janesville for example.
>> And not all of us my age are text savvy enough.
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>> Ericka Nelson
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>> On Jan 12, 2022, at 9:00 PM, Karen Rose via Job-Discussions
>> <job-discussions at nfbnet.org <mailto:job-discussions at nfbnet.org> > wrote:
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>> Are there people with the NFB marketing team who could flush out this type
>> of plan? I am not trained in marketing but rather in career coaching and in
>> psychotherapy, and I know we have others much better qualified to manage and
>> to budget for any type of marketing campaign. It is difficult to target
>> specific individual employers locally, as most small businesses at least are
>> struggling just to stay open. I know that there are many blind people with
>> excellent education and training, who would love to be working now and
>> filling some of their needs. Many have already gone through training in
>> interview skills and in how to request reasonable accommodations. I am
>> thrilled to see that and if P is working on projects to match blind people
>> with specific employers. I would love to be helpful in this if I can. Please
>> let me know if there is anything I can do to be helpful. :-)
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>> Karen Rose MFT/LPCC www.career-therapy.net <http://www.career-therapy.net>
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>> On Jan 12, 2022, at 2:51 PM, Richard Davis via Job-Discussions
>> <job-discussions at nfbnet.org <mailto:job-discussions at nfbnet.org> > wrote:
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>> Hi Karen and Ericka,
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>> Employers are experiencing labor shortages and are working with us in the
>> NFB to hire blind people. They realize that blind people can fill their
>> needs. We are currently working with lots of them, and with the expansion of
>> our website coming in the next year, we will have many tools to offer them.
>> Right now, we are running into these problems:
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>> Lack of accessibility to employer systems, which often requires system
>> redesign.
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>> Lack of understanding about reasonable accommodations, which in the case of
>> Amazon, is not a trivial matter, as some of their job functions are not and
>> probably cannot be made accessible, in which case we are looking at
>> selective job placement and work-arounds.
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>> Lack of decent education, rehabilitation, career planning, and career
>> training for blind people, who sometimes lack the most basic interview
>> skills.
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>> Having a national ad campaign is expensive and probably doesn't go deep
>> enough to address the above problems. I am not averse to sharing your idea
>> with the Employment Committee, but in order tor me to do so, it needs to
>> arrive in the form of a fully fleshed out plan with a budget, media to be
>> targeted, and planned employer penetration rate. Also a fundraising plan.
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>> Let me suggest some alternatives:
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>> Got local employers? Go talk to them, and see if they are interested in
>> working with us.
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>> Hold training sessions for local chapter members on job seeking skills.
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>> Work with your state rehab agency to make sure blind people are getting good
>> training for real jobs.
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>> Go to the NFB website, access the Self-Advocacy Employment Toolkit and teach
>> people how to use it:
>> https://nfb.org/programs-services/advocacy/advocacy-resources/self-advocacy-employment-toolkit
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>> The NFB legal program has other resources for job seekers and employers.
>> Please explore and use these valuable tools.
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>> I don't mean to discourage any of you, but we are far beyond the point where
>> PSA's are going to work. We need face to face contacts.
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>> I think talking to local colleges with business programs is an excellent
>> idea. Why don't you all come up with a plan to do that and carry it out?
>> Everything helps.
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>> Best,
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>> Dick Davis
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>> On Wed, Jan 12, 2022 at 4:13 PM Karen Rose via Job-Discussions
>> <job-discussions at nfbnet.org <mailto:job-discussions at nfbnet.org> > wrote:
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>> Is this something that the employment committee might be interested in? If
>> so I would love to work with them :-)
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>> Karen Rose MFT/LPCC www.career-therapy.net <http://www.career-therapy.net>
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>> On Jan 12, 2022, at 12:29 PM, Ericka via Job-Discussions
>> <job-discussions at nfbnet.org <mailto:job-discussions at nfbnet.org> > wrote:
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>> I agree with you Karen. Dick why don’t you take notes and let’s get a video
>> PSA on TV and a radio campaign. You can’t tell me that there aren’t talented
>> people at headquarters or in the NFB that can’t make this happen. These
>> videos can be put on LinkedIn as well.
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>> Ericka Nelson
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>> On Jan 12, 2022, at 11:55 AM, Karen Rose via Job-Discussions
>> <job-discussions at nfbnet.org <mailto:job-discussions at nfbnet.org> > wrote:
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>> But wouldn’t this be an excellent time for us to run a marketing campaign
>> to employers and recruiters letting them know how available we are, how
>> willing we are to work and to show up, and that we are here, ready and able
>> to fill their open positions, thus allowing their businesses to remain open?
>> Many businesses are closing for periods of time due to lack of staffing. We
>> could be the people who allow them to remain open. Right now there are more
>> jobs open than there are people wanting to work.
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>> Karen Rose MFT/LPCC www.career-therapy.net <http://www.career-therapy.net>
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>> On Jan 12, 2022, at 9:21 AM, Robert Sollars via Job-Discussions
>> <job-discussions at nfbnet.org <mailto:job-discussions at nfbnet.org> > wrote:
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>> Having on that side of the business for most of my career, half at least,
>> it’s very simple;
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>> The less they hire disabled, of any kind, individuals the less paperwork
>> they have to do and the less they have to worry about with properly
>> implementing all of the laws, rules, regulations, and pitfalls of hiring
>> someone like that.
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>> I’m in the process of developing a evacuation, generalized of course, for
>> employers to follow with disabled employees so that they can better relate
>> to and plan for us.
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>> Robert
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>> From: Job-Discussions <job-discussions-bounces at nfbnet.org
>> <mailto:job-discussions-bounces at nfbnet.org> > On Behalf Of Brian Hatgelakas
>> via Job-Discussions
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2022 9:24 AM
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>> Cc: Brian Hatgelakas <bhatgelakas at gmail.com <mailto:bhatgelakas at gmail.com>
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>> Subject: Re: [Job-Discussions] introduction and two questions.
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>> why do people in HR act like that?
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>> On Wed, Jan 12, 2022 at 11:21 AM Robert Sollars via Job-Discussions
>> <job-discussions at nfbnet.org <mailto:job-discussions at nfbnet.org> > wrote:
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>> iT is unfortunately, but someones first impression is what gives the leeway
>> for dismissing or not offering the job…because they do’t understand or wish
>> to limit their liability because of a disabled person in the
>> organization…trust me, I seen it many times when I was sighted
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>> Robert
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>> From: Job-Discussions <job-discussions-bounces at nfbnet.org
>> <mailto:job-discussions-bounces at nfbnet.org> > On Behalf Of Brian Hatgelakas
>> via Job-Discussions
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>> Subject: Re: [Job-Discussions] introduction and two questions.
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>> Yes they can be? because why would I waste time going to an interview to
>> be turned away doing this is this in my opinion is the same as turning
>> away a regular bodied african american bassed soley on their skin color.
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>> On Wed, Jan 12, 2022 at 10:53 AM Ericka via Job-Discussions
>> <job-discussions at nfbnet.org <mailto:job-discussions at nfbnet.org> > wrote:
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>> Yeah that’s true. But then when they shorten up an interview you know some
>> thing is “not right“ with them. You can hear it in their voice especially
>> when you walk in and they see the cane. It’s either too quiet or some other
>> thing. My husbands had the experience where you went to the interview, the
>> receptionist saw him with his cane being totally blind and reported that to
>> the person they were supposed to speak to. Then the receptionist came back
>> and said that the person was busy and couldn’t meet with him. That’s the
>> signal for we’re freaking out here and if we don’t interview you and pass
>> you up then we can’t be held responsible for being discriminatory.
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>> Ericka Nelson
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>> On Jan 11, 2022, at 4:03 PM, Melissa R Green via Job-Discussions
>> <job-discussions at nfbnet.org <mailto:job-discussions at nfbnet.org> > wrote:
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>> Oh my goodness. That is so true. You have to go through many rejections.
>> And, you do know who is interested in hiring you and who is just going
>> through the motions.
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>> Those people are usually freaking out. But you don’t know it because they
>> can still go through the interview.
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>> Best!Melissa R Green and PJ
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>> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Jan 10, 2022, at 2:43 PM, Ericka Nelson via Job-Discussions
>> <job-discussions at nfbnet.org <mailto:job-discussions at nfbnet.org> > wrote:
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>> Oh Robert you bomb! You have to have 50% optimism and 50% realism to look
>> for a job. The trick is to figure out who is most sincere about hiring you
>> had a job interview and who is just going through the motions.
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>> Ericka J. Nelson
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>> 1927 Green Valley Dr.
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>> On Jan 10, 2022, at 12:06 PM, Robert Sollars via Job-Discussions
>> <job-discussions at nfbnet.org <mailto:job-discussions at nfbnet.org> > wrote:
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>> Good idea, but the biased that most employers will have against hiring a
>> disabled person, blind or just in a wheelchair is something that must be
>> over come first. Most employers won’t see us as a fit or being able to do
>> the job, just an annoyance that has to be dealt with because of federal
>> law.
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>> Robert
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>> From: Job-Discussions <job-discussions-bounces at nfbnet.org
>> <mailto:job-discussions-bounces at nfbnet.org> > On Behalf Of Karen Rose via
>> Job-Discussions
>> Sent: Monday, January 10, 2022 10:54 AM
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>> Cc: Karen Rose <rosekm at earthlink.net <mailto:rosekm at earthlink.net> >
>> Subject: Re: [Job-Discussions] introduction and two questions.
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>> Hi. Given the extreme shortage of workers and the fact that businesses are
>> closing for periods of time because of lack of staffing, is there something
>> we can do, possibly nationally, to advertise to employers and recruiters
>> that blind people are here, available to work, and excited for the
>> opportunity? It seems like this could be a fantastic time to market blind
>> people to desperate employers. Any thoughts?
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>> Karen Rose MFT/LPCC www.career-therapy.net <http://www.career-therapy.net>
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>> On Jan 10, 2022, at 9:14 AM, Ericka via Job-Discussions
>> <job-discussions at nfbnet.org <mailto:job-discussions at nfbnet.org> > wrote:
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>> I’m at a crossroads myself. Can’t go back to being on my feet working with
>> seniors because of foot issues and leg problems. Waiting for vocational
>> rehab assessment to be done and trying to discern myself where are my next
>> move out to be. Thought you were working with kids before.
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>> Ericka Nelson
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>> On Jan 10, 2022, at 10:45 AM, Melissa R. Green via Job-Discussions
>> <job-discussions at nfbnet.org <mailto:job-discussions at nfbnet.org> > wrote:
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>> Hi.
>> Thank you so much Ericka.
>> It is very helpful. Wibbb pat Pj for you.
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>> Have a good day.
>> Best!
>> Melissa R. Green and Pj
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>> Subject: Re: [Job-Discussions] introduction and two questions.
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>> I am aware that there are jobs with spectrum/charter that are call center
>> related. The process is kind of interesting. The skills inventory or
>> whatever it is you take to help you determine which jobs to apply for is
>> accessible. My husband did it on his iPhone with very little frustration
>> which is very unusual.
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>> Melissa I totally get it about not wanting to do cold calls or beg for
>> charities. I wouldn't want to do that either. Sometimes communities have an
>> app helping connect employers and perspective clients/workers. Janesville
>> Wisconsin has such. A lot of times it's things like what you're looking for
>> and then sometimes it's all factory work or house cleaning jobs.. Give PJ a
>> pat for me!
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>> Hope I've been a little bit a help. You just have to kind of go to company
>> websites and check the career listing sometimes.
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>> Ericka Nelson
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>> On Jan 7, 2022, at 7:59 PM, Melissa R. Green via Job-Discussions
>> <job-discussions at nfbnet.org <mailto:job-discussions at nfbnet.org> > wrote:
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>> "Hi abbl.
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>> My is melissa. I am in colorado.
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>> I am still looking for work. To us I have been doing research on jobs that I
>> would be interested in and may be someone this list can assist me.
>>
>> How does someone become a reader advisor for the library for the blind?
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>> I received a job offer from TTEC. But they could not get their client to
>> approve my acomodations, has anyone else gotten hired by TTEC? I am
>> wondering if I should appy again with them?
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>> Lastly, where can I find crisis hotline jobs, tutoring and hditing paper
>> jobs, or out bound or no sales jobs?
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>> Don't want to call for any kind of sales, or requesting money.
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>> Have a good day.
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>> Best!
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>> Melissa R. Green and Pj
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