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This is a great idea.

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Our independent living center, which is the first in the country, has always included some blind people on their staff. I am beginning to consider the possibility of approaching them with the idea of forming a temp agency of people with disabilities who want to work. We could then put forward on platforms like Nextdoor and local Facebook pages that we have a temp agency willing and eager to help small businesses who are needing to close for lack of staff whenever they have too many staff people quarantining. They would not know until our temp employees arrived that we have disabilities. Thoughts??

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On Jan 14, 2022, at 8:44 AM, Ericka via Job-Discussions <job-discussions at nfbnet.org> wrote:

It’s my experience in our state that independent living centers know nothing about people who are blind unless they hire a blind employee. You are very right Justin. I’m not thinking about myself however. I’m thinking about others. I know that one independent living center in Wisconsin did a work readiness class but it was so generalized I didn’t benefit.

There are tons of jobs in healthcare. What are the advocates at headquarters doing with EPIC? They are not very willing to make their software accessible. And you can’t use a IRA because it’s not Hyppa compliant.

Ericka Nelson

On Jan 14, 2022, at 9:41 AM, Justin Williams via Job-Discussions <job-discussions at nfbnet.org> wrote:

Training on work readiness and finding jobs, and resources on how to make things more accessible.  Maybe even have our on work ensentive coordinators for the NFB to assist with ssdi and ssi benefits.

Sometimes, that can really help pay for resources like AIRA or transportation or equipment.  I only suggested the NFB helping with that because Centers for independent living , Voc rehab and other agencies that should have them, might not be as easy to get a hold of or access right when you need them.

Justin

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Hi all,

What an interesting thread. I'm not sure Melissa envisioned her question turning into this discussion.

I agree with Karen in a way. Throughout the pandemic, I have been asking myself how we can market ourselves to employers who are desperate for workers. It seems tragic to me that we are left out of the labor market in general, but at a time like this, it's just so unnecessary. But we must target our campaigns like Dick suggests. It's not all about advertising and hoping for the best. Unfortunately, employers need more than that.

Accessibility is an even larger barrier than many of us probably realize. The gap between the development of technology and the amount of that technology we can access is ever increasing. I took a job this summer, and I actually needed a reader just to do simple tasks, like helping me fill out a time sheet and make online documents accessible.
And this was with an employer who did everything they could to accommodate. The tendency is to believe that work from home jobs are the solution, but my experience working from home has been that employers are more difficult to get a hold of when there are issues, and the time spent waiting for responses and fixes is much longer than it would be in person.

Ok, so my complaining session is over. These are just my observations.
I think the employment committee has done a lot in the last several years. But I also think that it takes a village to raise an employer.
Maybe I shouldn't sound so flip, but even the most open of employers need educating. So it's not an advertising campaign we need, it's people who are willing to sit down and educate potential employers.
And that's the tough part. We have to convince them that once they are properly educated, they will get talented employees out of the bargain. In some cases, we have to convince them that literally overhalling their inaccessible systems is worth it. And sadly, for some employers, it won't be.

However... We should definitely engage in those training efforts where we can. We need to engage the best minds in accessibility to tackle those barriers, and we should have them team up with those who have the power to change attitudes about blindness. The truth is that Robert is right. Most sighted people have never even met a blind person, and they don't know how we do the most basic of life tasks.

Perhaps this is what the employment committee is already doing. I don't know the details. But as someone who has been and will be in the job market sooner than I would like, I have been pondering possible strategies for improving the employment outcomes for blind people. I wish every affiliate could have an employment specialist to work on local employment issues. I wish, like Dick said, chapters would have an employment focus time at every meeting or separate from meetings.
The employment focus time could also include info about volunteer and educational as well as advancement opportunities for those who may not be looking for work for whatever reason.

Getting blind people employed has to be a coordinated team effort. I love that so many of us on this list are willing to help. I am also passionate about this topic and will be glad to help in any way I can.
The key for blind people is to not give up, to keep moving/seeking in whatever ways we can, and to stick together. If employers don't want to hire us, then we must try to motivate and inspire one another so that we have the courage to keep trying, keep approaching, and continue working together to educate them.

Good luck, Melissa. Hopefully you find some promising opportunities at the job fair coming up soon.

Julie

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True.

You've put forth a yeomen's effort.

Justin

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I agree Justin. There isn’t much here though. One independent living
center and Wisconsin does things very differently from another. And
nothing in the state of Wisconsin required to fill out or websites mind you is accessible.
It’s a fight we have been fighting and are still losing it. The staff
on the ground knows that things aren’t accessible. The upper echelon
who makes the decisions doesn’t care. You can get anything from the
state of Wisconsin in a different language. Rail in large print is not
one of them. They build an app that isn’t accessible so the letters
that you could read  are still not accessible. I can’t do it alone. I’m trying to do my best.

I wish we had the amount of NFB members in Wisconsin that we used to.

Ericka Nelson

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Joining network after work for some of you might be good on the meet
up list.

Using mainstreme community resources in combination with what we are
doing will be good.

Justin

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Exactly what I was trying to say. This is what I want to have happen.
If they can put that much energy into automatic cars which I don’t
trust they can put this much energy into educating employers. Problem
with the career fair is that most of the people out there are tech
companies which doesn’t go well with my social work skills. Plus at my
age I don’t want to move out of the area just for a minimum wage job
because I haven’t had a lot of direct experience. What you’re doing
will help the 18 and 19-year-olds, but not us who have probably
another good 20 years to work. I didn’t get any training in how to
advocate for reasonable accommodations when I was at BLIND Inc.. I
asked but nobody would talk to me. I have experience in the political
arena but not good experiences with employers. They don’t take blind
people seriously one on one . That’s my experience. The amount of education needed I can’t provide the entire city of Janesville for example.
And not all of us my age are text savvy enough.

Ericka Nelson

On Jan 12, 2022, at 9:00 PM, Karen Rose via Job-Discussions
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Are there people with the NFB marketing team who could flush out this
type of plan? I am not trained in marketing but rather in career
coaching and in psychotherapy, and I know we have others much better
qualified to manage and to budget for any type of marketing campaign.
It is difficult to target specific individual employers locally, as
most small businesses at least are struggling just to stay open. I
know that there are many blind people with excellent education and
training, who would love to be working now and filling some of their
needs. Many have already gone through  training in interview skills
and in how to request reasonable accommodations. I am thrilled to see
that and if P is working on projects to match blind people with
specific employers. I would love to be helpful in this if I can.
Please let me know if there is anything I can do to be helpful. :-)

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On Jan 12, 2022, at 2:51 PM, Richard Davis via Job-Discussions
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Hi Karen and Ericka,

Employers are experiencing labor shortages and are working with us in
the NFB to hire blind people. They realize that blind people can fill
their needs. We are currently working with lots of them, and with the
expansion of our website coming in the next year, we will have many tools to offer them.
Right now, we are running into these problems:

Lack of accessibility to employer systems, which often requires system
redesign.

Lack of understanding about reasonable accommodations, which in the
case of Amazon, is not a trivial matter, as some of their job
functions are not and probably cannot be made accessible, in which
case we are looking at selective job placement and work-arounds.

Lack of decent education, rehabilitation, career planning, and career
training for blind people, who sometimes lack the most basic interview
skills.

Having a national ad campaign is expensive and probably doesn't go
deep enough to address the above problems.  I am not averse to sharing
your idea with the Employment Committee, but in order tor me to do so,
it needs to arrive in the form of a fully fleshed out plan with a
budget, media to be targeted, and planned employer penetration rate.  Also a fundraising plan.

Let me suggest some alternatives:

Got local employers? Go talk to them, and see if they are interested
in working with us.

Hold training sessions for local chapter members on job seeking skills.

Work with your state rehab agency to make sure blind people are
getting good training for real jobs.

Go to the NFB website, access the Self-Advocacy Employment Toolkit and
teach people how to use it:
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ocacy-employment-toolkit

The NFB legal program has other resources for job seekers and employers.
Please explore and use these valuable tools.

I don't mean to discourage any of you, but we are far beyond the point
where PSA's are going to work. We need face to face contacts.

I think talking to local colleges with business programs is an
excellent idea. Why don't you all come up with a plan to do that and carry it out?
Everything helps.

Best,

Dick Davis

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Is this something that the employment committee might be interested
in? If so I would love to work with them :-)

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On Jan 12, 2022, at 12:29 PM, Ericka via Job-Discussions
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I agree with you Karen. Dick why don’t you take notes and let’s get a
video PSA on TV and a radio campaign. You can’t tell me that there
aren’t talented people at headquarters or in the NFB that can’t make
this happen. These videos can be put on LinkedIn as well.

Ericka Nelson

On Jan 12, 2022, at 11:55 AM, Karen Rose via Job-Discussions
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But wouldn’t this be an excellent time for us to run a marketing
campaign to employers and recruiters letting them know how available
we are, how willing we are to work and to show up, and that we are
here, ready and able to fill their open positions, thus allowing their businesses to remain open?
Many businesses are closing for periods of time due to lack of
staffing. We could be the people who allow them to remain open. Right
now there are more jobs open than there are people wanting to work.

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On Jan 12, 2022, at 9:21 AM, Robert Sollars via Job-Discussions
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Having on that side of the business for most of my career, half at
least, it’s very simple;

The less they hire disabled, of any kind, individuals the less
paperwork they have to do and the less they have to worry about with
properly implementing all of the laws, rules, regulations, and
pitfalls of hiring someone like that.

I’m in the process of developing a evacuation, generalized of course,
for employers to follow with disabled employees so that they can
better relate to and plan for us.

Robert

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why do people in HR act like that?

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iT is unfortunately, but someones first impression is what gives the
leeway for dismissing or not offering the job…because they do’t
understand or wish to limit their liability because of a disabled
person in the organization…trust me, I seen it many times when I was
sighted

Robert

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Yes they can be?   because why would I waste time going to an interview to
be turned away   doing this is this in my opinion is the same as turning
away a regular bodied african american bassed soley on their skin color.

On Wed, Jan 12, 2022 at 10:53 AM Ericka via Job-Discussions
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Yeah that’s true. But then when they shorten up an interview you know
some thing is “not right“ with them. You can hear it in their voice
especially when you walk in and they see the cane. It’s either too
quiet or some other thing. My husbands had the experience where you
went to the interview, the receptionist saw him with his cane being
totally blind and reported that to the person they were supposed to
speak to. Then the receptionist came back and said that the person was
busy and couldn’t meet with him. That’s the signal for we’re freaking
out here and if we don’t interview you and pass you up then we can’t be held responsible for being discriminatory.

Ericka Nelson

On Jan 11, 2022, at 4:03 PM, Melissa R Green via Job-Discussions
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Oh my goodness. That is so true. You have to go through many rejections.
And, you do know who is interested in hiring you and who is just going
through the motions.

Those people are usually freaking out. But you don’t know it because
they can still go through the interview.

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On Jan 10, 2022, at 2:43 PM, Ericka Nelson via Job-Discussions
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Oh Robert you bomb! You have to have 50% optimism and 50% realism to
look for a job. The trick is to figure out who is most sincere about
hiring you had a job interview and who is just going through the motions.

Ericka J. Nelson

1927 Green Valley Dr.

Janesville WI 53546

H: 608-754-8671

C: 262-434-0817

On Jan 10, 2022, at 12:06 PM, Robert Sollars via Job-Discussions
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Good idea, but the biased that most employers will have against hiring
a disabled person, blind or just in a wheelchair is something that
must be over come first. Most employers won’t see us as a fit or being
able to do the job, just an annoyance that has to be dealt with
because of federal law.

Robert

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Hi. Given the extreme shortage of workers and the fact that businesses
are closing for periods of time because of lack of staffing, is there
something we can do, possibly nationally, to advertise to employers
and recruiters that blind people are here, available to work, and
excited for the opportunity? It seems like this could be a fantastic
time to market blind people to desperate employers. Any thoughts?

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On Jan 10, 2022, at 9:14 AM, Ericka via Job-Discussions
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I’m at a crossroads myself. Can’t go back to being on my feet working
with seniors because of foot issues and leg problems. Waiting for
vocational rehab assessment to be done and trying to discern myself
where are my next move out to be. Thought you were working with kids before.

Ericka Nelson

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Hi.
Thank you so much Ericka.
It is very helpful. Wibbb pat Pj for you.

Have a good day.
Best!
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I am aware that there are jobs with spectrum/charter that are call
center related. The process is kind of interesting. The skills
inventory or whatever it is you take to help you determine which jobs
to apply for is accessible. My husband did it on his iPhone with very
little frustration which is very unusual.

Melissa I totally get it about not wanting to do cold calls or beg for
charities. I wouldn't want to do that either. Sometimes communities
have an app helping connect employers and perspective clients/workers.
Janesville Wisconsin has such. A lot of times it's things like what
you're looking for and then sometimes it's all factory work or house
cleaning jobs.. Give PJ a pat for me!

Hope I've been a little bit a help. You just have to kind of go to
company websites and check the career listing sometimes.

Ericka Nelson

On Jan 7, 2022, at 7:59 PM, Melissa R. Green via Job-Discussions
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"Hi abbl.

My is melissa. I am in colorado.

I am still looking for work. To us I have been doing research on jobs
that I would be interested in and may be someone this list can assist me.

How does someone become a reader advisor for the library for the blind?

I received a job offer from TTEC. But they could not get their client
to approve my acomodations, has anyone else gotten hired by TTEC? I am
wondering if I should appy again with them?

Lastly, where can I find crisis hotline jobs, tutoring and hditing
paper jobs, or out bound or no sales jobs?

Don't want to call for any kind of sales, or requesting money.

Have a good day.

Best!

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