[Job-Discussions] Making that Career Choice

Julie McGinnity kaybaycar at gmail.com
Thu Sep 29 23:07:19 UTC 2022


It's  not SSI itself that's the problem; it's the lack of incentives
to go to work that's the problem. Both sides have a point.

No, no one really wants to stay on SSI, but with SSI we've got a
cliff. Sure, you can make a little bit and still get benefits, but the
program won't allow you to support yourself on a minimum-wage job and
keep your benefits. It's going to be either or, and although more
customer service jobs are opening up for blind people, there is still
a lack of entry level jobs for us. And some of the customer service
jobs at that level are seasonal or part-time. There aren't enough
incentives for our community to go to work in entry level positions
because by and large the positions aren't as plentiful, steady work
may not be something we can count on, and vocational rehabilitation
does not help us get these entry level jobs as we are applying for
other things.

I spent 15 months looking for a job. As I searched for jobs, I worked
teaching a couple voice students, subbing for our choir director when
she went out of town, and assisting a technology company for a short
time when they needed extra hands. I was desperate to get off SSI for
a variety of reasons. But had I been sighted, so many jobs would have
been options, everything from Starbucks to clothing stores at the
mall. I could have worked as a waitress or at Target. But these jobs
aren't available to blind people. These stand-in jobs that people
outside our community take when they need to just aren't open to us.
This, in my opinion, is, aside from negative attitudes about
blindness, the greatest barrier to unemployment and under-employment
of the blind.

You know what is available? SSI, and it's not just available. It's a
trap, and it's what everyone from rehab counselors to family to our
own community expects us to do while we wait for that job that will
pay 50 thousand dollars a year or more.

But it's not necessarily a trap because it's free money. I mean, there
will always be people in every community who don't want to work, but
that's not what I'm talking about. It's a trap because it
disincentivizes work and it's got reliance built into its foundation.
So instead of working while we look for a better job, we work very
little, work under the table, or just chill while we're applying for
that perfect job with that  place that will hire a blind person.

The system is broken, but I'm not just talking about the SSI system.
I'm talking about the lack of entry level jobs for blind people.

Julie


On 9/29/22, Ericka via Job-Discussions <job-discussions at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> I agree with both of you. I agree with Dick and I agree with you that things
> need to decrease slowly and not be tied to medical care. However we should
> also be teaching our kids not just kids who are blind or have a disability
> of some sort how to spend money wisely from the beginning. Then maybe they
> won’t blow it all his dick says some I know do
>
> Ericka Nelson
> NFB Wi member, Crafts, Nature, books, writing, and helping others makes me
> happy.  Go make others happy!
>
>> On Sep 29, 2022, at 5:07 PM, Jennifer Wenzel via Job-Discussions
>> <job-discussions at nfbnet.org> wrote:
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>> I would respectfully disagree with you. I personally come into contact
>> with many individuals on both SSI and SSDI who wish to keep these benefits
>> or need to for various reasons. They sometimes work fewer hours to comply
>> with earnings limitations, or choose not to work at all. This is of course
>> their choice, but it speaks to a huge flaw in the benefits system. These
>> benefits should be decreased more gradually, and they should not be tied
>> to medical benefits so that people can be free to work and get promoted
>> and get raises without fear of losing critical medications.
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>> Haylie Gallacher via Job-Discussions
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>> Statements like the following are simply not true.  when SSI hits, they
>> are going to think they are millionaires, and there goes the incentive to
>> work.  I know no one who is on SSI who wishes to remain on it, and if one
>> wants to it is their choice and no one others.  I hate to say it but the
>> NFB's views on things and screwing somethings up for us is exactly why I
>> am now no longer a NFB member not to mention other issues that are
>> discrimitory at one of the centers if you have multiple disabilities such
>> as I do.0020 -----Original Message-----
>> From: Job-Discussions <job-discussions-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of
>> Karen Rose via Job-Discussions
>> Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2022 12:59 AM
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>> Cc: Karen Rose <rosekm at earthlink.net>
>> Subject: Re: [Job-Discussions] Making that Career Choice
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>> I could not agree more! The social security administration has us listed,
>> along with people who have Sarabel palsy, as presumptively disabled, that
>> is presumed unable to work! What a message to give our young blind people
>>
>> Karen Rose MFT/LPCC www.career-therapy.net
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>>> On Sep 28, 2022, at 9:56 PM, Dick Davis via Job-Discussions
>>> <job-discussions at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> I think SSI, coming at age 18, can be a real curse for young blind
>>> people. For years I have told parents to try to get their blind kids into
>>> jobs early, so they get the satisfaction of earning a paycheck for a job
>>> well done. If not, when SSI hits, they are going to think they are
>>> millionaires, and there goes the incentive to work.
>>> Dick Davis
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>>> Sent from my iPhone
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>>>>> On Sep 28, 2022, at 11:38 AM, Kris Colcock via Job-Discussions
>>>>> <job-discussions at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I so agree with you! When we can get our kids into summer work
>>>> experiences, camp counselors, fast food service, mail rooms, etc. the
>>>> experience is extremely valuable. The social aspects, problem solving
>>>> experience, some real life experience of managerial expectations
>>>> prepare you for what is really ouut there.
>>>>
>>>> I've read so many different articles and posts on how to understand
>>>> that every job is a stepping stone. What you learn from that
>>>> temporary position, that position you took because you had to make
>>>> ends meet or that internship that sounded fantastic but turned out to
>>>> be a nightmare is more valuable then reading about it in a book or
>>>> class lecture. No becomes a CEO of a large company without experience.
>>>>
>>>> Staying open to opportunity and thinking outside of the box can lead
>>>> to unexpected results.  I mean, who would have guessed that Steve
>>>> Jobbs would have used the experience of calligraphy when creating the
>>>> Macintosh?
>>>>
>>>>> On 9/28/22, Jennifer Wenzel via Job-Discussions
>>>>> <job-discussions at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>> This is a great discussion. I think it is important to think about
>>>>> both "jobs:" and "careers". While I do not feel it is a good idea to
>>>>> try to push people into expected careers, I do think it is very
>>>>> Important for blind people to gain work experience. This may mean
>>>>> working at something that is not your passion and may not be your
>>>>> ultimate career, but will give you valuable work experience which can
>>>>> be shown on a resume.
>>>>> Sighted people gain work experience like this through early
>>>>> entry-level jobs. For example, my sighted sons have worked in a fast
>>>>> food restaurant and at a grocery store. Some blind people gain this
>>>>> type of entry-level experience early, and that is great. This type
>>>>> of experience cannot be
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Julie A. McGinnity
MM Vocal Performance, 2015; American University Washington College of
Law, JD Candidate 2023



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