<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto">I see your point Sandra but I still don’t think it’s appropriate until they see you face-to-face. We’re bringing in the cane that gives them an opportunity to ask questions and if they don’t well done you you work it into the conversation. You get to learn a lot about the company and the person bye not disclosing until the interview. After all you’re not just being interviewed you’re interviewing them as well. You find out how much of a positive attitude the company has. They can put it in the ads but when you walk in smiling and bubbly and cheerful not pitiful and sorrowful and desperate you show them that your disability doesn’t bother you. I let the cane speak for itself and talk about it in the accommodations I might need by asking questions about the position. I disclose it an interview that seems to be going quite well about my apple Epsie if I feel it’s to be a possible issue. Mines in control 98% of the time so that’s why I don’t always talk about the epilepsy.<br><br><div dir="ltr"><span style="color: rgb(69, 69, 69); font-family: UICTFontTextStyleBody; font-size: 47px; text-decoration: -webkit-letterpress;">Ericka Nelson</span></div><div dir="ltr"><br><blockquote type="cite">On May 19, 2021, at 5:38 PM, Sandra Gayer via Job-Discussions <job-discussions@nfbnet.org> wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><span>PS,</span><br><span>If someone doesn't say anything until interview, the first thing I</span><br><span>would think is, this is pretty big, why didn't he/she say something</span><br><span>earlier? What else have they kept to themselves/lied about?</span><br><span></span><br><span>Very best wishes,</span><br><span>Sandra.</span><br><span></span><br><span>On 5/19/21, Sandra Gayer <sandragayer7@gmail.com> wrote:</span><br><blockquote type="cite"><span>Hello,</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>I feel it is frankly impolite to say nothing and arrive on someone's</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>doorstep with a cane or guide dog. It is a shock for the person</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>receiving the information, the same way it would surprise you if you</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>posted a job add for a driver and someone came to the interview with a</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>missing arm.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>It's not what you say it's how you say it. I always disclose but I</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>make sure I frame it in such a way that the potential employer is</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>aware of how much of an asset my visual impairment is and, by</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>extension, the asset I could be to them and, most importantly, why I</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>am the best person for the job, better than other candidates.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Most people say, "I'm a good listener." How many of them can prove it</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>by referring to their day-to-day experiences of needing this skill for</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>routine tasks? Just an example to think about.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Very best wishes,</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Sandra.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>On 5/19/21, Kelsey Nicolay via Job-Discussions</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span><job-discussions@nfbnet.org> wrote:</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Hello,</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>This is an interesting question. I agree about not disclosing your</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>blindness</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>on the resume. Here is how I look at it. If no assessments are needed as</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>part of the application process, I usually wait until the face to face</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>interview, although with COVID and virtual interviews, it can be a bit</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>tricky to know when to disclose your blindness. I think waiting until you</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>have an offer is perfectly appropriate. Of course, if pre-employment</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>testing</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>is needed, that’s a whole different issue. You should always try to</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>complete</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>the assessments on your own first, then if you find that the tests aren’t</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>accessible (most aren’t), then it is prefectly acceptable to request an</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>accommodation.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Sent from Kelsey Nicolay’s iPhone</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>On May 19, 2021, at 12:21 PM, Justin Williams via Job-Discussions</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span><job-discussions@nfbnet.org> wrote:</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Under the americans with disabilities act, your friend with low vision,</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>or</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>anyone else with a disability is not obligated to inform the employer of</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>this at all unless they want or need accommodations. In order to get</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>accommodations, they must disclose if they want the employer to allow</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>and</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>or</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>extend any accommodations. If at anytime during the application process</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>accommodations are needed, then the applicant myst disclose. So, your</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>friend is not obligated to disclose unless she needs accommodations.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Thanks,</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Justin</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>-----Original Message-----</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>From: Job-Discussions [mailto:job-discussions-bounces@nfbnet.org] On</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Behalf</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Of Jess Shek via Job-Discussions</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2021 11:12 AM</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>To: job-discussions@nfbnet.org</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Cc: Jess Shek <jessshek@gmail.com></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Subject: [Job-Discussions] Disclosing about your visual impairment</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Dear All,</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>I have come across questions about when to disclose their visual</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>impairment</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>when applying for jobs.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>A lot of them (including myself) will not disclose their visual</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>impairment</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>in the resume, and also in the initial chat with employers until the</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>face-to-face interview taking place, as there will be chances that your</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>application will be totally ignored.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>One of my low-visioned friend only told the employer about her visual</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>impairment after she got an offer from the employer. She told the</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>employer</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>as accommodations are needed. But the employer felt that this was an</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>integrity issue, that they thought that my friend should have informed</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>them</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>about the visual impairment prior to the offer is given.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>And my friend felt that since just slight accommodations is needed (e.g.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>having a bigger monitor), she doesn't think she should let the employer</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>know, as from her past experience, employers will not consider her</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>application when she mentions to them her visual impairment during the</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>hiring process.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Could I seek your view on that, i.e. when is the best time to tell</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>employers</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>about the applicant's visual impairment? And, if no accommodation is</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>needed</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>(e.g. for a low-visioned person), do you think he/she needs not tell the</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>employer about his/her visual impairment?</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Many thanks in advance!</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Cheers,</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Jess</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>_______________________________________________</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Job-Discussions mailing list</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Job-Discussions@nfbnet.org</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote 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