<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto">It’s my experience in our state that independent living centers know nothing about people who are blind unless they hire a blind employee. You are very right Justin. I’m not thinking about myself however. I’m thinking about others. I know that one independent living center in Wisconsin did a work readiness class but it was so generalized I didn’t benefit. <div><br></div><div>There are tons of jobs in healthcare. What are the advocates at headquarters doing with EPIC? They are not very willing to make their software accessible. And you can’t use a IRA because it’s not Hyppa compliant.<br><div><br></div><div><br><br><div dir="ltr"><span style="color: rgb(69, 69, 69); font-family: UICTFontTextStyleBody; font-size: 47px; text-decoration: -webkit-letterpress;">Ericka Nelson</span></div><div dir="ltr"><br><blockquote type="cite">On Jan 14, 2022, at 9:41 AM, Justin Williams via Job-Discussions <job-discussions@nfbnet.org> wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><span>Training on work readiness and finding jobs, and resources on how to make things more accessible. Maybe even have our on work ensentive coordinators for the NFB to assist with ssdi and ssi benefits.</span><br><span></span><br><span>Sometimes, that can really help pay for resources like AIRA or transportation or equipment. I only suggested the NFB helping with that because Centers for independent living , Voc rehab and other agencies that should have them, might not be as easy to get a hold of or access right when you need them.</span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span>Justin</span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span>Justin</span><br><span>-----Original Message-----</span><br><span>From: Job-Discussions [mailto:job-discussions-bounces@nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Julie McGinnity via Job-Discussions</span><br><span>Sent: Friday, January 14, 2022 10:18 AM</span><br><span>To: Job Discussions internet Mailing List <job-discussions@nfbnet.org></span><br><span>Cc: Julie McGinnity <kaybaycar@gmail.com></span><br><span>Subject: Re: [Job-Discussions] introduction and two questions.</span><br><span></span><br><span>Hi all,</span><br><span></span><br><span>What an interesting thread. I'm not sure Melissa envisioned her question turning into this discussion.</span><br><span></span><br><span>I agree with Karen in a way. Throughout the pandemic, I have been asking myself how we can market ourselves to employers who are desperate for workers. It seems tragic to me that we are left out of the labor market in general, but at a time like this, it's just so unnecessary. But we must target our campaigns like Dick suggests. It's not all about advertising and hoping for the best. Unfortunately, employers need more than that.</span><br><span></span><br><span>Accessibility is an even larger barrier than many of us probably realize. The gap between the development of technology and the amount of that technology we can access is ever increasing. I took a job this summer, and I actually needed a reader just to do simple tasks, like helping me fill out a time sheet and make online documents accessible.</span><br><span>And this was with an employer who did everything they could to accommodate. The tendency is to believe that work from home jobs are the solution, but my experience working from home has been that employers are more difficult to get a hold of when there are issues, and the time spent waiting for responses and fixes is much longer than it would be in person.</span><br><span></span><br><span>Ok, so my complaining session is over. These are just my observations.</span><br><span>I think the employment committee has done a lot in the last several years. But I also think that it takes a village to raise an employer.</span><br><span>Maybe I shouldn't sound so flip, but even the most open of employers need educating. So it's not an advertising campaign we need, it's people who are willing to sit down and educate potential employers.</span><br><span>And that's the tough part. We have to convince them that once they are properly educated, they will get talented employees out of the bargain. In some cases, we have to convince them that literally overhalling their inaccessible systems is worth it. And sadly, for some employers, it won't be.</span><br><span></span><br><span>However... We should definitely engage in those training efforts where we can. We need to engage the best minds in accessibility to tackle those barriers, and we should have them team up with those who have the power to change attitudes about blindness. The truth is that Robert is right. Most sighted people have never even met a blind person, and they don't know how we do the most basic of life tasks.</span><br><span></span><br><span>Perhaps this is what the employment committee is already doing. I don't know the details. But as someone who has been and will be in the job market sooner than I would like, I have been pondering possible strategies for improving the employment outcomes for blind people. I wish every affiliate could have an employment specialist to work on local employment issues. I wish, like Dick said, chapters would have an employment focus time at every meeting or separate from meetings.</span><br><span>The employment focus time could also include info about volunteer and educational as well as advancement opportunities for those who may not be looking for work for whatever reason.</span><br><span></span><br><span>Getting blind people employed has to be a coordinated team effort. I love that so many of us on this list are willing to help. I am also passionate about this topic and will be glad to help in any way I can.</span><br><span>The key for blind people is to not give up, to keep moving/seeking in whatever ways we can, and to stick together. If employers don't want to hire us, then we must try to motivate and inspire one another so that we have the courage to keep trying, keep approaching, and continue working together to educate them.</span><br><span></span><br><span>Good luck, Melissa. Hopefully you find some promising opportunities at the job fair coming up soon.</span><br><span></span><br><span>Julie</span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span>On 1/13/22, Justin Williams via Job-Discussions <job-discussions@nfbnet.org> wrote:</span><br><blockquote type="cite"><span>True.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>You've put forth a yeomen's effort.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Justin</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>From: Job-Discussions [mailto:job-discussions-bounces@nfbnet.org] On </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Behalf Of Ericka via Job-Discussions</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2022 3:09 PM</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>To: Job Discussions internet Mailing List <job-discussions@nfbnet.org></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Cc: Ericka <dotwriter1@gmail.com></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Subject: Re: [Job-Discussions] introduction and two questions.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>I agree Justin. There isn’t much here though. One independent living </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>center and Wisconsin does things very differently from another. And </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>nothing in the state of Wisconsin required to fill out or websites mind you is accessible.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>It’s a fight we have been fighting and are still losing it. The staff </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>on the ground knows that things aren’t accessible. The upper echelon </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>who makes the decisions doesn’t care. You can get anything from the </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>state of Wisconsin in a different language. Rail in large print is not </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>one of them. They build an app that isn’t accessible so the letters </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>that you could read are still not accessible. I can’t do it alone. I’m trying to do my best.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>I wish we had the amount of NFB members in Wisconsin that we used to.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Ericka Nelson</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>On Jan 13, 2022, at 9:11 AM, Justin Williams via Job-Discussions </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span><job-discussions@nfbnet.org <mailto:job-discussions@nfbnet.org> > wrote:</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Joining network after work for some of you might be good on the meet </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>up list.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Using mainstreme community resources in combination with what we are </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>doing will be good.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Justin</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>From: Job-Discussions [mailto:job-discussions-bounces@nfbnet.org] On </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Behalf Of Ericka via Job-Discussions</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2022 9:18 AM</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>To: Job Discussions internet Mailing List <job-discussions@nfbnet.org </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span><mailto:job-discussions@nfbnet.org> ></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Cc: Ericka <dotwriter1@gmail.com <mailto:dotwriter1@gmail.com> ></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Subject: Re: [Job-Discussions] introduction and two questions.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Exactly what I was trying to say. This is what I want to have happen. </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>If they can put that much energy into automatic cars which I don’t </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>trust they can put this much energy into educating employers. Problem </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>with the career fair is that most of the people out there are tech </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>companies which doesn’t go well with my social work skills. Plus at my </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>age I don’t want to move out of the area just for a minimum wage job </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>because I haven’t had a lot of direct experience. What you’re doing </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>will help the 18 and 19-year-olds, but not us who have probably </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>another good 20 years to work. I didn’t get any training in how to </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>advocate for reasonable accommodations when I was at BLIND Inc.. I </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>asked but nobody would talk to me. I have experience in the political </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>arena but not good experiences with employers. They don’t take blind </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>people seriously one on one . That’s my experience. The amount of education needed I can’t provide the entire city of Janesville for example.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>And not all of us my age are text savvy enough.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Ericka Nelson</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>On Jan 12, 2022, at 9:00 PM, Karen Rose via Job-Discussions </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span><job-discussions@nfbnet.org <mailto:job-discussions@nfbnet.org> > wrote:</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Are there people with the NFB marketing team who could flush out this </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>type of plan? I am not trained in marketing but rather in career </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>coaching and in psychotherapy, and I know we have others much better </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>qualified to manage and to budget for any type of marketing campaign. </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>It is difficult to target specific individual employers locally, as </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>most small businesses at least are struggling just to stay open. I </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>know that there are many blind people with excellent education and </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>training, who would love to be working now and filling some of their </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>needs. Many have already gone through training in interview skills </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>and in how to request reasonable accommodations. I am thrilled to see </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>that and if P is working on projects to match blind people with </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>specific employers. I would love to be helpful in this if I can. </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Please let me know if there is anything I can do to be helpful. :-)</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Karen Rose MFT/LPCC www.career-therapy.net </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span><http://www.career-therapy.net></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>On Jan 12, 2022, at 2:51 PM, Richard Davis via Job-Discussions </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span><job-discussions@nfbnet.org <mailto:job-discussions@nfbnet.org> > wrote:</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Hi Karen and Ericka,</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Employers are experiencing labor shortages and are working with us in </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>the NFB to hire blind people. They realize that blind people can fill </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>their needs. We are currently working with lots of them, and with the </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>expansion of our website coming in the next year, we will have many tools to offer them.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Right now, we are running into these problems:</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Lack of accessibility to employer systems, which often requires system </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>redesign.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Lack of understanding about reasonable accommodations, which in the </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>case of Amazon, is not a trivial matter, as some of their job </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>functions are not and probably cannot be made accessible, in which </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>case we are looking at selective job placement and work-arounds.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Lack of decent education, rehabilitation, career planning, and career </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>training for blind people, who sometimes lack the most basic interview </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>skills.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Having a national ad campaign is expensive and probably doesn't go </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>deep enough to address the above problems. I am not averse to sharing </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>your idea with the Employment Committee, but in order tor me to do so, </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>it needs to arrive in the form of a fully fleshed out plan with a </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>budget, media to be targeted, and planned employer penetration rate. Also a fundraising plan.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Let me suggest some alternatives:</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Got local employers? Go talk to them, and see if they are interested </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>in working with us.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Hold training sessions for local chapter members on job seeking skills.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Work with your state rehab agency to make sure blind people are </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>getting good training for real jobs.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Go to the NFB website, access the Self-Advocacy Employment Toolkit and </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>teach people how to use it:</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>https://nfb.org/programs-services/advocacy/advocacy-resources/self-adv</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>ocacy-employment-toolkit</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>The NFB legal program has other resources for job seekers and employers.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Please explore and use these valuable tools.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>I don't mean to discourage any of you, but we are far beyond the point </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>where PSA's are going to work. We need face to face contacts.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>I think talking to local colleges with business programs is an </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>excellent idea. Why don't you all come up with a plan to do that and carry it out?</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Everything helps.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Best,</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Dick Davis</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>On Wed, Jan 12, 2022 at 4:13 PM Karen Rose via Job-Discussions </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span><job-discussions@nfbnet.org <mailto:job-discussions@nfbnet.org> > wrote:</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Is this something that the employment committee might be interested </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>in? If so I would love to work with them :-)</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Karen Rose MFT/LPCC www.career-therapy.net </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span><http://www.career-therapy.net></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>On Jan 12, 2022, at 12:29 PM, Ericka via Job-Discussions </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span><job-discussions@nfbnet.org <mailto:job-discussions@nfbnet.org> > wrote:</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>I agree with you Karen. Dick why don’t you take notes and let’s get a </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>video PSA on TV and a radio campaign. You can’t tell me that there </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>aren’t talented people at headquarters or in the NFB that can’t make </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>this happen. These videos can be put on LinkedIn as well.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Ericka Nelson</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>On Jan 12, 2022, at 11:55 AM, Karen Rose via Job-Discussions </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span><job-discussions@nfbnet.org <mailto:job-discussions@nfbnet.org> > wrote:</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>But wouldn’t this be an excellent time for us to run a marketing </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>campaign to employers and recruiters letting them know how available </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>we are, how willing we are to work and to show up, and that we are </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>here, ready and able to fill their open positions, thus allowing their businesses to remain open?</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Many businesses are closing for periods of time due to lack of </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>staffing. We could be the people who allow them to remain open. Right </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>now there are more jobs open than there are people wanting to work.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Karen Rose MFT/LPCC www.career-therapy.net </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span><http://www.career-therapy.net></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>On Jan 12, 2022, at 9:21 AM, Robert Sollars via Job-Discussions </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span><job-discussions@nfbnet.org <mailto:job-discussions@nfbnet.org> > wrote:</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Having on that side of the business for most of my career, half at </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>least, it’s very simple;</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>The less they hire disabled, of any kind, individuals the less </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>paperwork they have to do and the less they have to worry about with </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>properly implementing all of the laws, rules, regulations, and </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>pitfalls of hiring someone like that.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>I’m in the process of developing a evacuation, generalized of course, </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>for employers to follow with disabled employees so that they can </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>better relate to and plan for us.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Robert</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>From: Job-Discussions <job-discussions-bounces@nfbnet.org</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span><mailto:job-discussions-bounces@nfbnet.org> > On Behalf Of Brian </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Hatgelakas via Job-Discussions</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2022 9:24 AM</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>To: Job Discussions internet Mailing List <job-discussions@nfbnet.org </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span><mailto:job-discussions@nfbnet.org> ></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Cc: Brian Hatgelakas <bhatgelakas@gmail.com </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span><mailto:bhatgelakas@gmail.com></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Subject: Re: [Job-Discussions] introduction and two questions.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>why do people in HR act like that?</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>On Wed, Jan 12, 2022 at 11:21 AM Robert Sollars via Job-Discussions </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span><job-discussions@nfbnet.org <mailto:job-discussions@nfbnet.org> > wrote:</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>iT is unfortunately, but someones first impression is what gives the </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>leeway for dismissing or not offering the job…because they do’t </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>understand or wish to limit their liability because of a disabled </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>person in the organization…trust me, I seen it many times when I was </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>sighted</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Robert</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>From: Job-Discussions <job-discussions-bounces@nfbnet.org</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span><mailto:job-discussions-bounces@nfbnet.org> > On Behalf Of Brian </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Hatgelakas via Job-Discussions</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2022 9:09 AM</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>To: Job Discussions internet Mailing List <job-discussions@nfbnet.org </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span><mailto:job-discussions@nfbnet.org> ></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Cc: Brian Hatgelakas <bhatgelakas@gmail.com </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span><mailto:bhatgelakas@gmail.com></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Subject: Re: [Job-Discussions] introduction and two questions.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Yes they can be? because why would I waste time going to an interview to</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>be turned away doing this is this in my opinion is the same as turning</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>away a regular bodied african american bassed soley on their skin color.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>On Wed, Jan 12, 2022 at 10:53 AM Ericka via Job-Discussions </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span><job-discussions@nfbnet.org <mailto:job-discussions@nfbnet.org> > wrote:</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Yeah that’s true. But then when they shorten up an interview you know </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>some thing is “not right“ with them. You can hear it in their voice </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>especially when you walk in and they see the cane. It’s either too </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>quiet or some other thing. My husbands had the experience where you </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>went to the interview, the receptionist saw him with his cane being </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>totally blind and reported that to the person they were supposed to </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>speak to. Then the receptionist came back and said that the person was </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>busy and couldn’t meet with him. That’s the signal for we’re freaking </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>out here and if we don’t interview you and pass you up then we can’t be held responsible for being discriminatory.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Ericka Nelson</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>On Jan 11, 2022, at 4:03 PM, Melissa R Green via Job-Discussions </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span><job-discussions@nfbnet.org <mailto:job-discussions@nfbnet.org> > wrote:</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Oh my goodness. That is so true. You have to go through many rejections.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>And, you do know who is interested in hiring you and who is just going </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>through the motions.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Those people are usually freaking out. But you don’t know it because </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>they can still go through the interview.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Best!Melissa R Green and PJ</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Scentsy consultant readerlissa.scentsy.us </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span><http://readerlissa.scentsy.us></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Sent from my iPhone</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>On Jan 10, 2022, at 2:43 PM, Ericka Nelson via Job-Discussions </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span><job-discussions@nfbnet.org <mailto:job-discussions@nfbnet.org> > wrote:</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Oh Robert you bomb! You have to have 50% optimism and 50% realism to </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>look for a job. The trick is to figure out who is most sincere about </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>hiring you had a job interview and who is just going through the motions.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Ericka J. Nelson</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>1927 Green Valley Dr.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Janesville WI 53546</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>H: 608-754-8671</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>C: 262-434-0817</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>On Jan 10, 2022, at 12:06 PM, Robert Sollars via Job-Discussions </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span><job-discussions@nfbnet.org <mailto:job-discussions@nfbnet.org> > wrote:</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Good idea, but the biased that most employers will have against hiring </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>a disabled person, blind or just in a wheelchair is something that </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>must be over come first. Most employers won’t see us as a fit or being </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>able to do the job, just an annoyance that has to be dealt with </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>because of federal law.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Robert</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>From: Job-Discussions <job-discussions-bounces@nfbnet.org</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span><mailto:job-discussions-bounces@nfbnet.org> > On Behalf Of Karen Rose </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>via Job-Discussions</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Sent: Monday, January 10, 2022 10:54 AM</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>To: Job Discussions internet Mailing List <job-discussions@nfbnet.org </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span><mailto:job-discussions@nfbnet.org> ></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Cc: Karen Rose <rosekm@earthlink.net <mailto:rosekm@earthlink.net> ></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Subject: Re: [Job-Discussions] introduction and two questions.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Hi. Given the extreme shortage of workers and the fact that businesses </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>are closing for periods of time because of lack of staffing, is there </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>something we can do, possibly nationally, to advertise to employers </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>and recruiters that blind people are here, available to work, and </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>excited for the opportunity? It seems like this could be a fantastic </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>time to market blind people to desperate employers. Any thoughts?</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Karen Rose MFT/LPCC www.career-therapy.net </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span><http://www.career-therapy.net></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>On Jan 10, 2022, at 9:14 AM, Ericka via Job-Discussions </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span><job-discussions@nfbnet.org <mailto:job-discussions@nfbnet.org> > wrote:</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>I’m at a crossroads myself. Can’t go back to being on my feet working </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>with seniors because of foot issues and leg problems. Waiting for </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>vocational rehab assessment to be done and trying to discern myself </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>where are my next move out to be. Thought you were working with kids before.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Ericka Nelson</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>On Jan 10, 2022, at 10:45 AM, Melissa R. Green via Job-Discussions </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span><job-discussions@nfbnet.org <mailto:job-discussions@nfbnet.org> > wrote:</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Hi.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Thank you so much Ericka.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>It is very helpful. Wibbb pat Pj for you.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Have a good day.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Best!</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Melissa R. Green and Pj</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Scentsy consultant www.readerlissa.scentsy.com </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span><http://www.readerlissa.scentsy.com></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Contact me at: graduateenff%juno_com for more information and host </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>and book a party and or explanation of products.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Facebook: Melissa R. Green Goodreads: Melissa R. Green A home is </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>nothing without the people you love inside of it.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>----- Original Message -----</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>From: Ericka via Job-Discussions <job-discussions@nfbnet.org </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span><mailto:job-discussions@nfbnet.org> ></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>To: Job Discussions internet Mailing List <job-discussions@nfbnet.org </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span><mailto:job-discussions@nfbnet.org> ></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Date: 01/10/2022 9:09 am</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Subject: Re: [Job-Discussions] introduction and two questions.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>I am aware that there are jobs with spectrum/charter that are call </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>center related. The process is kind of interesting. The skills </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>inventory or whatever it is you take to help you determine which jobs </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>to apply for is accessible. My husband did it on his iPhone with very </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>little frustration which is very unusual.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Melissa I totally get it about not wanting to do cold calls or beg for </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>charities. I wouldn't want to do that either. Sometimes communities </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>have an app helping connect employers and perspective clients/workers. </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Janesville Wisconsin has such. A lot of times it's things like what </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>you're looking for and then sometimes it's all factory work or house </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>cleaning jobs.. Give PJ a pat for me!</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Hope I've been a little bit a help. You just have to kind of go to </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>company websites and check the career listing sometimes.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Ericka Nelson</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>On Jan 7, 2022, at 7:59 PM, Melissa R. Green via Job-Discussions </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span><job-discussions@nfbnet.org <mailto:job-discussions@nfbnet.org> > wrote:</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>"Hi abbl.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>My is melissa. I am in colorado.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>I am still looking for work. To us I have been doing research on jobs </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>that I would be interested in and may be someone this list can assist me.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>How does someone become a reader advisor for the library for the blind?</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>I received a job offer from TTEC. But they could not get their client </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>to approve my acomodations, has anyone else gotten hired by TTEC? I am </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>wondering if I should appy again with them?</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Lastly, where can I find crisis hotline jobs, tutoring and hditing </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>paper jobs, or out bound or no sales jobs?</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Don't want to call for any kind of sales, or requesting money.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Have a good day.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Best!</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Melissa R. Green and Pj</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Scentsy consultant www.readerlissa.scentsy.com </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span><http://www.readerlissa.scentsy.com></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Contact me at: graduateenff%juno_com for more information and host </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>and book a party and or explanation of products.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Facebook: Melissa R. Green Goodreads: Melissa R. Green</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>A home is nothing without the people you love inside of it.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>_______________________________________________</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Job-Discussions mailing list</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Job-Discussions@nfbnet.org <mailto:Job-Discussions@nfbnet.org></span><br></blockquote><blockquote 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Hatgelakas |</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>318 Washington Road, #212, Pittsburg, PA 15216</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>C: 412.862.8644 I E: bhatgelakas@gmail.com </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span><mailto:bhatgelakas@gmail.com></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>_______________________________________________</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Job-Discussions mailing list</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Job-Discussions@nfbnet.org <mailto:Job-Discussions@nfbnet.org></span><br></blockquote><blockquote 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type="cite"><span>earthlink.net</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>_______________________________________________</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Job-Discussions mailing list</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Job-Discussions@nfbnet.org <mailto:Job-Discussions@nfbnet.org></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/job-discussions_nfbnet.org</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Job-Discussions:</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/job-discussions_nfbnet.org/dotwriter</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>1%40gmail.com</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>_______________________________________________</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Job-Discussions mailing list</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Job-Discussions@nfbnet.org <mailto:Job-Discussions@nfbnet.org></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/job-discussions_nfbnet.org</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Job-Discussions:</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/job-discussions_nfbnet.org/erickanel</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>son88%40gmail.com</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><span></span><br><span></span><br><span>--</span><br><span>Julie A. 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