<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto">This is to Michael Walker,<div><br><div>Are you suggesting that you get your rehabilitation counselor involved? Not a bad idea if they will do it. </div><div><br></div><div>I don’t know if there is any connection between application systems and work systems. Many companies purchase application systems. There in no way to predict it. </div><div><br></div><div> I know of no list of employers whose systems are completely accessible. Most say they are, of course. Many believe their systems are accessible, but discover they aren’t when a blind person applies. </div><div><br></div><div>There is a rapidly growing accessibility industry, but some of the practitioners are not so good when it comes to blindness. </div><div><br></div><div>If people identify employers with accessibility problems, we can contact them and work with them on changes. That means our members need to find them for us.</div><div><br></div><div>Dave Andrews may want to weigh in on this issue.</div><div><br></div><div>Dick Davis <br><div dir="ltr">Sent from my iPhone</div><div dir="ltr"><br><blockquote type="cite">On Sep 13, 2022, at 10:08 PM, dickblind@gmail.com wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><br><br><div dir="ltr">Sent from my iPhone</div><div dir="ltr"><br><blockquote type="cite">On Sep 13, 2022, at 8:24 PM, Rhonda PartainRhonda via Job-Discussions <job-discussions@nfbnet.org> wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><meta name="Generator" content="Microsoft Word 15 (filtered medium)"><style>@font-face { font-family: "Cambria Math"; }
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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--><div class="WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Hello, whenever I have been presented with an inaccessible assessment I send an email to the HR department titled ADA accommodations request. That usually gets me an answer.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Rhonda Partain<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-weight:bold">From:</span></font></b> Job-Discussions <job-discussions-bounces@nfbnet.org> <b><span style="font-weight:bold">On Behalf Of </span></b>Michael Walker via Job-Discussions<br><b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, September 13, 2022 9:17 PM<br><b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> Job Discussions internet Mailing List <job-discussions@nfbnet.org><br><b><span style="font-weight:bold">Cc:</span></b> Michael Walker <michael.walker199014@gmail.com><br><b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b> Re: [Job-Discussions] Equal Employment?<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Hi Richard,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">This is a very interesting discussion. What happens in a situation like this if you contact your counselor through your states vocational rehabilitation agency?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Also, if material on the job is not accessible, how can you advocate for internal company resources to be accessible? if parts of the job application are not accessible, how likely is it that internal company resources won’t be accessible? What websites can help blind people locate companies that are proactive in accessibility?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Thank you,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Mike<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><br><br><o:p></o:p></span></font></p><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">On Sep 13, 2022, at 5:52 PM, Richard Davis via Job-Discussions <<a href="mailto:job-discussions@nfbnet.org">job-discussions@nfbnet.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></blockquote></div><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><div><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></font></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Hi Michael,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Welcome back! We split the Jobs listserv into two separate ones a few years ago. In response to your question, we see this problem quite often. Diversity and Inclusion departments often don't focus on blind people very much, and some of the systems they use for recruitment are not accessible. Making things accessible is their problem, not yours. I say that because some employers think it is the responsibility of job applicants to figure out how to use their systems. We can talk more about this, but here are some basic suggestions:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Communicate with them, preferably in writing, telling them that their assessment site is not accessible and requesting "reasonable accommodations for testing." I use that term because it activates the ADA. You have a right to reasonable accommodations in the job application process. Ask them to respond within a week, telling you what accommodations they are going to make. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">If they are uncooperative, contact Valerie Yingling, who runs our legal program, at <a href="mailto:vyingling@nfb.org">vyingling@nfb.org</a>. She can talk to the employer and remind them of their responsibilities. She can help you prepare a legal complaint if they do not. Since I don't know what their name is, I cannot tell you what laws might cover them, but I do know that the application process has to be accessible. Valerie is the real expert on legal stuff. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">That's all for now. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Best wishes, <o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Dick Davis <o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">On Tue, Sep 13, 2022 at 5:31 PM Michael Baldwin via Job-Discussions <<a href="mailto:job-discussions@nfbnet.org">job-discussions@nfbnet.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in"><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Thank you to those that responded to my earlier question on employment gaps.]<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">I now have a question about EEO and applying for a job.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">I applied for a job that requires an assessment.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">The assessment, which they host on their own website is not accessible with Jaws.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">I contacted HR through their Twitter account. This was the only way listed on their website. And explained in general terms that their assessment was not accessible. Their response was that I should use Chrome and it would work. So, I replied giving much more detail, including disclosing my blindness. I have not heard anything back from them.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">The ironic part, they have a whole department dedicated to Diversity and Inclusion.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Does EEO and other employment laws extend to assessments that are required for applying for the job?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">This is a large corporation that I would think would be up to date on all the employment laws.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Thanks,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Michael<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">_______________________________________________<br>Job-Discussions mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Job-Discussions@nfbnet.org" target="_blank">Job-Discussions@nfbnet.org</a><br><a href="http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/job-discussions_nfbnet.org" target="_blank">http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/job-discussions_nfbnet.org</a><br>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for Job-Discussions:<br><a href="http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/job-discussions_nfbnet.org/dickblind%40gmail.com" target="_blank">http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/job-discussions_nfbnet.org/dickblind%40gmail.com</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div></blockquote></div><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">_______________________________________________<br>Job-Discussions mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Job-Discussions@nfbnet.org">Job-Discussions@nfbnet.org</a><br><a href="http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/job-discussions_nfbnet.org">http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/job-discussions_nfbnet.org</a><br>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for Job-Discussions:<br><a href="http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/job-discussions_nfbnet.org/michael.walker199014%40gmail.com">http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/job-discussions_nfbnet.org/michael.walker199014%40gmail.com</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div></blockquote></div><span>_______________________________________________</span><br><span>Job-Discussions mailing list</span><br><span>Job-Discussions@nfbnet.org</span><br><span>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/job-discussions_nfbnet.org</span><br><span>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for Job-Discussions:</span><br><span>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/job-discussions_nfbnet.org/dickblind%40gmail.com</span><br></div></blockquote></div></blockquote></div></div></body></html>