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<p>Hi Richard,</p>
<p>Since I have a case open with my rehabilitation counselor, I
would notify them, to see what they would do. I would also follow
others' suggestions around seeing if the company had an
accommodation department. On the careers section, there is
sometimes a phone number and email address. If there was a phone
number, I would call. I also like your suggestion on contacting
the NFB's legal person if I didn't hear back from the company.</p>
<p>On the job search, which websites would you use to find a job?</p>
<p>Thank you,</p>
<p>Mike<br>
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<div>Are you suggesting that you get your rehabilitation
counselor involved? Not a bad idea if they will do it. </div>
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<div>I don’t know if there is any connection between application
systems and work systems. Many companies purchase application
systems. There in no way to predict it. </div>
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<div> I know of no list of employers whose systems are
completely accessible. Most say they are, of course. Many
believe their systems are accessible, but discover they aren’t
when a blind person applies. </div>
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<div>There is a rapidly growing accessibility industry, but some
of the practitioners are not so good when it comes to
blindness. </div>
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<div>If people identify employers with accessibility problems,
we can contact them and work with them on changes. That means
our members need to find them for us.</div>
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<div>Dave Andrews may want to weigh in on this issue.</div>
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style="font-size:11.0pt">Hello, whenever I
have been presented with an inaccessible
assessment I send an email to the HR
department titled ADA accommodations request.
That usually gets me an answer.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt">This is a very
interesting discussion. What happens in a
situation like this if you contact your
counselor through your states vocational
rehabilitation agency?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt">Also, if material
on the job is not accessible, how can you
advocate for internal company resources to
be accessible? if parts of the job
application are not accessible, how likely
is it that internal company resources won’t
be accessible? What websites can help blind
people locate companies that are proactive
in accessibility?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt">Thank you,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt">Mike<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt">Welcome back!
We split the Jobs listserv into two
separate ones a few years ago. In
response to your question, we see this
problem quite often. Diversity and
Inclusion departments often don't
focus on blind people very much, and
some of the systems they use for
recruitment are not accessible. Making
things accessible is their problem,
not yours. I say that because some
employers think it is the
responsibility of job applicants to
figure out how to use their systems.
We can talk more about this, but here
are some basic suggestions:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2"
face="Calibri"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt">Communicate
with them, preferably in writing,
telling them that their assessment
site is not accessible and requesting
"reasonable accommodations for
testing." I use that term because it
activates the ADA. You have a right to
reasonable accommodations in the job
application process. Ask them to
respond within a week, telling you
what accommodations they are going to
make. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face="Calibri"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt">If they are
uncooperative, contact Valerie
Yingling, who runs our legal program,
at <a href="mailto:vyingling@nfb.org"
moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">vyingling@nfb.org</a>.
She can talk to the employer and
remind them of their responsibilities.
She can help you prepare a legal
complaint if they do not. Since I
don't know what their name is, I
cannot tell you what laws might cover
them, but I do know that the
application process has to be
accessible. Valerie is the real expert
on legal stuff. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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for now. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt">On Tue, Sep
13, 2022 at 5:31 PM Michael Baldwin
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size="2" face="Calibri"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt">Thank
you to those that responded to
my earlier question on
employment gaps.]<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><font
size="2" face="Calibri"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt">I now
have a question about EEO and
applying for a job.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><font
size="2" face="Calibri"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt">I
applied for a job that requires
an assessment.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><font
size="2" face="Calibri"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt">The
assessment, which they host on
their own website is not
accessible with Jaws.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><font
size="2" face="Calibri"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt">I
contacted HR through their
Twitter account. This was the
only way listed on their
website. And explained in
general terms that their
assessment was not accessible.
Their response was that I should
use Chrome and it would work.
So, I replied giving much more
detail, including disclosing my
blindness. I have not heard
anything back from them.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><font
size="2" face="Calibri"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt">The
ironic part, they have a whole
department dedicated to
Diversity and Inclusion.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><font
size="2" face="Calibri"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt">Does
EEO and other employment laws
extend to assessments that are
required for applying for the
job?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><font
size="2" face="Calibri"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt">This is
a large corporation that I would
think would be up to date on all
the employment laws.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><font
size="2" face="Calibri"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt">Thanks,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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