<div dir="ltr"><div>Hello Everyone, <br></div><div>I passed on the information about American Airlines raised in Job-Discussions to Valerie Yinglng. She offered the following. Please make a note of it. Maurice and Stephanie, this is definitely something we want on our CEO website,</div><div>Thanks, <br></div><div>Dick Davis <br></div><div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">---------- Forwarded message ---------<br>From: <b class="gmail_sendername" dir="auto">Yingling, Valerie</b> <span dir="auto"><<a href="mailto:Vyingling@nfb.org">Vyingling@nfb.org</a>></span><br>Date: Fri, Sep 16, 2022 at 3:21 PM<br>Subject: RE: [Job-Discussions] Equal Employment?<br>To: <a href="mailto:dickblind@gmail.com">dickblind@gmail.com</a> <<a href="mailto:dickblind@gmail.com">dickblind@gmail.com</a>><br></div><br><br><div class="msg9000261675139542151">
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hi Dick,<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I will check into whether we have a contact at American with whom we can raise this employment issue.
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<p class="MsoNormal">As far as resources for members, please share the following:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">In May 2022, the U.S. Equal Employment Opportunity Commission (EEOC) and the U.S. Department of Justice (DOJ) each released guidance regarding disability discrimination when employers use artificial intelligence (AI) and other software
tools to make employment decisions. The guidance includes that computer-based tests for applicants and other software tools could result in unlawful discrimination against people with disabilities in violation of the Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA) if
the employer does not provide a reasonable accommodation and/or screens out an individual with disabilities.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<li class="m_9000261675139542151MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in"><a href="https://www.eeoc.gov/newsroom/us-eeoc-and-us-department-justice-warn-against-disability-discrimination" target="_blank">https://www.eeoc.gov/newsroom/us-eeoc-and-us-department-justice-warn-against-disability-discrimination</a><u></u><u></u></li><li class="m_9000261675139542151MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in"><a href="https://www.eeoc.gov/laws/guidance/americans-disabilities-act-and-use-software-algorithms-and-artificial-intelligence" target="_blank">https://www.eeoc.gov/laws/guidance/americans-disabilities-act-and-use-software-algorithms-and-artificial-intelligence</a><u></u><u></u></li><li class="m_9000261675139542151MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in"><a href="https://beta.ada.gov/resources/ai-guidance/" target="_blank">https://beta.ada.gov/resources/ai-guidance/</a><u></u><u></u></li></ul>
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<p class="MsoNormal">If your rights have been violated, you can file a charge of discrimination with the EEOC at
<a href="https://publicportal.eeoc.gov" target="_blank">https://publicportal.eeoc.gov</a>, by calling 1-800-669-4000, or by visiting your local EEOC office (see
<a href="https://www.eeoc.gov/field-office" target="_blank">https://www.eeoc.gov/field-office</a> for contact information).<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Sincerely,<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Valerie<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Valerie Yingling<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Legal Program Coordinator<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> <a href="mailto:dickblind@gmail.com" target="_blank">dickblind@gmail.com</a> <<a href="mailto:dickblind@gmail.com" target="_blank">dickblind@gmail.com</a>> <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, September 14, 2022 11:31 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Yingling, Valerie <<a href="mailto:Vyingling@nfb.org" target="_blank">Vyingling@nfb.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Fwd: [Job-Discussions] Equal Employment?<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Valerie,<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Access problem with American Airlines. What do you want us to do when we run into an access issue?<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Dick Davis <u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Sent from my iPhone<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><b>From:</b> Robert Sollars via Job-Discussions <<a href="mailto:job-discussions@nfbnet.org" target="_blank">job-discussions@nfbnet.org</a>><br>
<b>Date:</b> September 14, 2022 at 3:13:11 PM CDT<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:haylieg2780@gmail.com" target="_blank">haylieg2780@gmail.com</a>, Job Discussions internet Mailing List <<a href="mailto:job-discussions@nfbnet.org" target="_blank">job-discussions@nfbnet.org</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Robert Sollars <<a href="mailto:robertsollars2@gmail.com" target="_blank">robertsollars2@gmail.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> <b>Re: [Job-Discussions] Equal Employment?</b><br>
<b>Reply-To:</b> Job Discussions internet Mailing List <<a href="mailto:job-discussions@nfbnet.org" target="_blank">job-discussions@nfbnet.org</a>><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">That I can understand…fully & completely.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Robert<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Job-Discussions <<a href="mailto:job-discussions-bounces@nfbnet.org" target="_blank">job-discussions-bounces@nfbnet.org</a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Haylie Gallacher via Job-Discussions<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, September 14, 2022 12:42 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'Job Discussions internet Mailing List' <<a href="mailto:job-discussions@nfbnet.org" target="_blank">job-discussions@nfbnet.org</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Haylie Gallacher <<a href="mailto:jordanandseptember@gmail.com" target="_blank">jordanandseptember@gmail.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Job-Discussions] Equal Employment?<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I actually have two businesses, but since work slowed down for both, I have to look at all open doors for now.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Haylie<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Job-Discussions <<a href="mailto:job-discussions-bounces@nfbnet.org" target="_blank">job-discussions-bounces@nfbnet.org</a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Robert Sollars via Job-Discussions<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, September 14, 2022 3:21 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:haylieg2780@gmail.com" target="_blank">haylieg2780@gmail.com</a>; 'Job Discussions internet Mailing List' <<a href="mailto:job-discussions@nfbnet.org" target="_blank">job-discussions@nfbnet.org</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Robert Sollars <<a href="mailto:robertsollars2@gmail.com" target="_blank">robertsollars2@gmail.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Job-Discussions] Equal Employment?<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">With all respect Haylie, same thing happened to me.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">That’s when I quit looking and started my own company.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">That’s not for everyone but for me…<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Robert<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Job-Discussions <<a href="mailto:job-discussions-bounces@nfbnet.org" target="_blank">job-discussions-bounces@nfbnet.org</a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Haylie Gallacher via Job-Discussions<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, September 14, 2022 11:45 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'Job Discussions internet Mailing List' <<a href="mailto:job-discussions@nfbnet.org" target="_blank">job-discussions@nfbnet.org</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Haylie Gallacher <<a href="mailto:jordanandseptember@gmail.com" target="_blank">jordanandseptember@gmail.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Job-Discussions] Equal Employment?<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I was sending my e-mails to the e-mail address that they gave for accommodations, and I got no response. I also got no response from any of the recruiters who had contacted me about finishing the assessment either. They clearly do not
care.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Haylie<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Job-Discussions <<a href="mailto:job-discussions-bounces@nfbnet.org" target="_blank">job-discussions-bounces@nfbnet.org</a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Michael Walker via Job-Discussions<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, September 14, 2022 2:42 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Haylie Gallacher via Job-Discussions <<a href="mailto:job-discussions@nfbnet.org" target="_blank">job-discussions@nfbnet.org</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Michael Walker <<a href="mailto:michael.walker199014@gmail.com" target="_blank">michael.walker199014@gmail.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Job-Discussions] Equal Employment?<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p>Haylie,<u></u><u></u></p>
<p>Does American Airlines have a phone number for accommodations that you can call on their career website?<u></u><u></u></p>
<p>Mike<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 9/14/2022 1:38 PM, Haylie Gallacher via Job-Discussions wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">American Airlines is a definite problem when it comes to this. Even after requesting accommodations for the part of the assessment they use that is inaccessible, they ignore it completely and keep sending you e-mails that the assessment
must be completed or you will be removed from consideration. They never respond to any of the requests I made for several positions with them when it came to part of the assessment.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Job-Discussions <a href="mailto:job-discussions-bounces@nfbnet.org" target="_blank">
<job-discussions-bounces@nfbnet.org></a> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Dick Davis via Job-Discussions<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, September 13, 2022 11:08 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Job Discussions internet Mailing List <a href="mailto:job-discussions@nfbnet.org" target="_blank">
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<b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:dickblind@gmail.com" target="_blank">dickblind@gmail.com</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Job-Discussions] Equal Employment?<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">On Sep 13, 2022, at 8:24 PM, Rhonda PartainRhonda via Job-Discussions <<a href="mailto:job-discussions@nfbnet.org" target="_blank">job-discussions@nfbnet.org</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hello, whenever I have been presented with an inaccessible assessment I send an email to the HR department titled ADA accommodations request. That usually gets me an answer.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Rhonda Partain<u></u><u></u></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Michael Walker via Job-Discussions<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, September 13, 2022 9:17 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Job Discussions internet Mailing List <<a href="mailto:job-discussions@nfbnet.org" target="_blank">job-discussions@nfbnet.org</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Michael Walker <<a href="mailto:michael.walker199014@gmail.com" target="_blank">michael.walker199014@gmail.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Job-Discussions] Equal Employment?<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hi Richard,<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">This is a very interesting discussion. What happens in a situation like this if you contact your counselor through your states vocational rehabilitation agency?<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Also, if material on the job is not accessible, how can you advocate for internal company resources to be accessible? if parts of the job application are not accessible, how likely is it that internal company resources won’t be accessible?
What websites can help blind people locate companies that are proactive in accessibility?<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thank you,<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">On Sep 13, 2022, at 5:52 PM, Richard Davis via Job-Discussions <<a href="mailto:job-discussions@nfbnet.org" target="_blank">job-discussions@nfbnet.org</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Welcome back! We split the Jobs listserv into two separate ones a few years ago. In response to your question, we see this problem quite often. Diversity and Inclusion departments often don't focus on blind people very much, and some of
the systems they use for recruitment are not accessible. Making things accessible is their problem, not yours. I say that because some employers think it is the responsibility of job applicants to figure out how to use their systems. We can talk more about
this, but here are some basic suggestions:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Communicate with them, preferably in writing, telling them that their assessment site is not accessible and requesting "reasonable accommodations for testing." I use that term because it activates the ADA. You have a right to reasonable
accommodations in the job application process. Ask them to respond within a week, telling you what accommodations they are going to make.
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<p class="MsoNormal">If they are uncooperative, contact Valerie Yingling, who runs our legal program, at
<a href="mailto:vyingling@nfb.org" target="_blank">vyingling@nfb.org</a>. She can talk to the employer and remind them of their responsibilities. She can help you prepare a legal complaint if they do not. Since I don't know what their name is, I cannot tell you what laws might
cover them, but I do know that the application process has to be accessible. Valerie is the real expert on legal stuff.
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Tue, Sep 13, 2022 at 5:31 PM Michael Baldwin via Job-Discussions <<a href="mailto:job-discussions@nfbnet.org" target="_blank">job-discussions@nfbnet.org</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thank you to those that responded to my earlier question on employment gaps.]<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">I now have a question about EEO and applying for a job.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">I applied for a job that requires an assessment.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">The assessment, which they host on their own website is not accessible with Jaws.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">I contacted HR through their Twitter account. This was the only way listed on their website. And explained in general terms that their assessment was not accessible. Their response
was that I should use Chrome and it would work. So, I replied giving much more detail, including disclosing my blindness. I have not heard anything back from them.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">The ironic part, they have a whole department dedicated to Diversity and Inclusion.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Does EEO and other employment laws extend to assessments that are required for applying for the job?<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">This is a large corporation that I would think would be up to date on all the employment laws.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks,<u></u><u></u></p>
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